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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 17:05:37 GMT -5
shouldn't the awards be released today?
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Post by direstraits on Nov 30, 2015 17:19:06 GMT -5
shouldn't the awards be released today? Tuesday if they're consistent with the last couple of years.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 30, 2015 17:51:03 GMT -5
WI returned the 2014 POY, the DPOY, an all B1G honorable mention, and a freshman team selection. So, the cupboard wasn't exactly bare. Along with that, they also gained 3 top 10 recruits. I was surprised that the boards had set the bar so low for Wisconsin this year, I expected them to be very good. Plus the transfers: a former AA HM, back from her medical red shirt season and able to perform at a pretty high level, and a USC transfer who was, if memory serves, a top 10 recruit. The cream doesn't start at the top, but its rise should come as no surprise. That's not to say that Sheffield hasn't done a great job--part of it being to create the atmosphere to attract big deal transfers. But I agree with vblyf: there were lots of reason for Wisconsin fans--who tend, on this board, to be rather fretful--to have expected a top 3 finish. Hugh will get it. Hugh deserves it.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 30, 2015 18:27:59 GMT -5
If Santana wins POY, that will be another "didn't see it coming" example. She wasn't a pre-season All Big-10 selection.
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Post by wonderer on Nov 30, 2015 18:30:52 GMT -5
I don't think people realize how much better Santana is playing when compared to last year. Last year she would get shut down A LOT more than this year with the same team pretty much and did not have all the angles she has been hitting this year (hard line hit comes to mind). Hannah Tapp,Lohman and Rosado have also had MAJOR improvement in their game. add that with SSS and the result is a B1G championship. Yes Minn has the same team as last year but the players are definitely not playing like they did last year.
Hugh is responsible for this development in all of them... Lohman imo is the most improved of them all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 18:31:26 GMT -5
Along with that, they also gained 3 top 10 recruits. I was surprised that the boards had set the bar so low for Wisconsin this year, I expected them to be very good. Plus the transfers: a former AA HM, back from her medical red shirt season and able to perform at a pretty high level, and a USC transfer who was, if memory serves, a top 10 recruit. The cream doesn't start at the top, but its rise should come as no surprise. That's not to say that Sheffield hasn't done a great job--part of it being to create the atmosphere to attract big deal transfers. But I agree with vblyf: there were lots of reason for Wisconsin fans--who tend, on this board, to be rather fretful--to have expected a top 3 finish. Hugh will get it. Hugh deserves it. Yep I included Gillis in the 3 top 10 recruits (the others were Williams and Duello)
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 30, 2015 19:36:21 GMT -5
Well, I thought the badgers would be in the top four, and would challenge for the title if they could get their act together before the B1G started and no other team opened up a sizeable lead. The second and third things didn't quite happen, but some of us understood the potential. But I remember I had to defend that position against others pretty vigorously. Rightly so, because it was not a foregone conclusion -- it was a risky prediction based on my faith in the coaching staff and Carlini, really.
Virtually the whole team was replaced. Those seniors from last year were an extremely tight bunch, with strong personalities that nonetheless understood their roles in the team. There was a lot of leadership on the floor with Carlini and Morey at all times. It's true that the current team has a lot of highly touted players, but you don't know how the chemistry will pan out when you switch out that many players. Will they be as competitive, as resilient? What are the practices like? So much of the game is in those intangibles. In the B1G, if the chemistry is off just a little in a match or during weekly practices, you notice it. It was going to be a challenge for coaches and returning players to get everyone buying in to the culture and to pull together.
And a lot of those highly touted players had serious question marks over their heads. Kriskova had to relearn to walk last spring for criminy's sake. She still apparently suffers a little bit of exhaustion when they practice her too hard. Gillis came with huge question marks about her real desire and ability after her stint at USC. She had to be challenged in just the right way to get her belief and form back. Tionna was highly touted, but it takes a while to develop a connection to a middle, even when Carlini is the setter. When Tionna started the year, she was also not that competitive, losing joust after joust at the net. She was quick, but would she match up mentally and physically with the other big physical middles in the B1G? Even Carlini, with her very long recuperation, was a bit of a question mark on the physical side. I though she looked visibly exhausted a couple of times early in the season. Would that leg, ankle and foot hold up? And people still doubt Bates and thought the badgers would fail because of their dependence on her. The only person I felt confident in was Amac - but if she or Morey had gotten hurt, it would have been badgers on toast.
So in retrospect, yeah, it seems obvious that the team would come together. Hindsight, 20-20 and all that. But to badger fans still reeling from an extended 5 year drought where promise often withered away with nary a wave goodbye, every possible question mark was amplified. When they actually started playing, there were so many shortcomings that you really had to wonder if they had enough time in the day or brain space to fix all of the problems. I seriously doubted they would get a seed after the first week of the B1G season - and I doubt I was alone. Progress was stop and start at times too. If not managed right the team may have gone off in the wrong direction in those stalling moments. But it didn't. IMO, Sheff and his staff, along with the upper classwomen, really did a great job in their midseason adjustments and then keeping this team focused after each major disappointment, knitting them eventually into a cohesive whole.
No way am I saying Hugh does not deserve coach of the year. What he pulled off was magic - turning Santana, Rosado and Hannah around and getting that team to change it's entire mindset. But Sheff's coaching job this year was a fair bit better than last year when he won, IMHO. Coaching accolades are usually awarded for accumulated excellence finally paying off. I think a lot of the basis for what Hugh accomplished this year was laid down by what he did last year. Maybe Sheff will be appreciated for what happened this year when next year rolls around. We'll see.
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Post by usvballfan on Nov 30, 2015 21:32:54 GMT -5
Santana is clearly POY and earned it. She has had a great year and carried the Minnesota team to a B1G championship and this award usually goes to a league champion player.
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Post by wiscvball on Nov 30, 2015 21:53:03 GMT -5
Santana is clearly POY and earned it. She has had a great year and carried the Minnesota team to a B1G championship and this award usually goes to a league champion player. She's definitely worthy. So is Carlini. For what it's worth (maybe not much) 2 out of the last 4 POY's were not on the conference winning team. Before that you had the Penn State dynasty years where the best player was on the best team. I think Santana will win it, but won't be shocked if they give it to Carlini or do a co-POY.
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Post by ndodge on Nov 30, 2015 22:06:35 GMT -5
Well, I thought the badgers would be in the top four, and would challenge for the title if they could get their act together before the B1G started and no other team opened up a sizeable lead. The second and third things didn't quite happen, but some of us understood the potential. But I remember I had to defend that position against others pretty vigorously. Rightly so, because it was not a foregone conclusion -- it was a risky prediction based on my faith in the coaching staff and Carlini, really. Virtually the whole team was replaced. Those seniors from last year were an extremely tight bunch, with strong personalities that nonetheless understood their roles in the team. There was a lot of leadership on the floor with Carlini and Morey at all times. It's true that the current team has a lot of highly touted players, but you don't know how the chemistry will pan out when you switch out that many players. Will they be as competitive, as resilient? What are the practices like? So much of the game is in those intangibles. In the B1G, if the chemistry is off just a little in a match or during weekly practices, you notice it. It was going to be a challenge for coaches and returning players to get everyone buying in to the culture and to pull together. And a lot of those highly touted players had serious question marks over their heads. Kriskova had to relearn to walk last spring for criminy's sake. She still apparently suffers a little bit of exhaustion when they practice her too hard. Gillis came with huge question marks about her real desire and ability after her stint at USC. She had to be challenged in just the right way to get her belief and form back. Tionna was highly touted, but it takes a while to develop a connection to a middle, even when Carlini is the setter. When Tionna started the year, she was also not that competitive, losing joust after joust at the net. She was quick, but would she match up mentally and physically with the other big physical middles in the B1G? Even Carlini, with her very long recuperation, was a bit of a question mark on the physical side. I though she looked visibly exhausted a couple of times early in the season. Would that leg, ankle and foot hold up? And people still doubt Bates and thought the badgers would fail because of their dependence on her. The only person I felt confident in was Amac - but if she or Morey had gotten hurt, it would have been badgers on toast. So in retrospect, yeah, it seems obvious that the team would come together. Hindsight, 20-20 and all that. But to badger fans still reeling from an extended 5 year drought where promise often withered away with nary a wave goodbye, every possible question mark was amplified. When they actually started playing, there were so many shortcomings that you really had to wonder if they had enough time in the day or brain space to fix all of the problems. I seriously doubted they would get a seed after the first week of the B1G season - and I doubt I was alone. Progress was stop and start at times too. If not managed right the team may have gone off in the wrong direction in those stalling moments. But it didn't. IMO, Sheff and his staff, along with the upper classwomen, really did a great job in their midseason adjustments and then keeping this team focused after each major disappointment, knitting them eventually into a cohesive whole. No way am I saying Hugh does not deserve coach of the year. What he pulled off was magic - turning Santana, Rosado and Hannah around and getting that team to change it's entire mindset. But Sheff's coaching job this year was a fair bit better than last year when he won, IMHO. Coaching accolades are usually awarded for accumulated excellence finally paying off. I think a lot of the basis for what Hugh accomplished this year was laid down by what he did last year. Maybe Sheff will be appreciated for what happened this year when next year rolls around. We'll see. Just curious why you only had confidence in A-Mac (which means you did not in Morey ?). I understood and agreed with your other assessments and with the good writeup.
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Post by ndodge on Nov 30, 2015 22:08:11 GMT -5
Well, I thought the badgers would be in the top four, and would challenge for the title if they could get their act together before the B1G started and no other team opened up a sizeable lead. The second and third things didn't quite happen, but some of us understood the potential. But I remember I had to defend that position against others pretty vigorously. Rightly so, because it was not a foregone conclusion -- it was a risky prediction based on my faith in the coaching staff and Carlini, really. Virtually the whole team was replaced. Those seniors from last year were an extremely tight bunch, with strong personalities that nonetheless understood their roles in the team. There was a lot of leadership on the floor with Carlini and Morey at all times. It's true that the current team has a lot of highly touted players, but you don't know how the chemistry will pan out when you switch out that many players. Will they be as competitive, as resilient? What are the practices like? So much of the game is in those intangibles. In the B1G, if the chemistry is off just a little in a match or during weekly practices, you notice it. It was going to be a challenge for coaches and returning players to get everyone buying in to the culture and to pull together. And a lot of those highly touted players had serious question marks over their heads. Kriskova had to relearn to walk last spring for criminy's sake. She still apparently suffers a little bit of exhaustion when they practice her too hard. Gillis came with huge question marks about her real desire and ability after her stint at USC. She had to be challenged in just the right way to get her belief and form back. Tionna was highly touted, but it takes a while to develop a connection to a middle, even when Carlini is the setter. When Tionna started the year, she was also not that competitive, losing joust after joust at the net. She was quick, but would she match up mentally and physically with the other big physical middles in the B1G? Even Carlini, with her very long recuperation, was a bit of a question mark on the physical side. I though she looked visibly exhausted a couple of times early in the season. Would that leg, ankle and foot hold up? And people still doubt Bates and thought the badgers would fail because of their dependence on her. The only person I felt confident in was Amac - but if she or Morey had gotten hurt, it would have been badgers on toast. So in retrospect, yeah, it seems obvious that the team would come together. Hindsight, 20-20 and all that. But to badger fans still reeling from an extended 5 year drought where promise often withered away with nary a wave goodbye, every possible question mark was amplified. When they actually started playing, there were so many shortcomings that you really had to wonder if they had enough time in the day or brain space to fix all of the problems. I seriously doubted they would get a seed after the first week of the B1G season - and I doubt I was alone. Progress was stop and start at times too. If not managed right the team may have gone off in the wrong direction in those stalling moments. But it didn't. IMO, Sheff and his staff, along with the upper classwomen, really did a great job in their midseason adjustments and then keeping this team focused after each major disappointment, knitting them eventually into a cohesive whole. No way am I saying Hugh does not deserve coach of the year. What he pulled off was magic - turning Santana, Rosado and Hannah around and getting that team to change it's entire mindset. But Sheff's coaching job this year was a fair bit better than last year when he won, IMHO. Coaching accolades are usually awarded for accumulated excellence finally paying off. I think a lot of the basis for what Hugh accomplished this year was laid down by what he did last year. Maybe Sheff will be appreciated for what happened this year when next year rolls around. We'll see. Just curious why you only had confidence in A-Mac (which means you did not in Morey ?). I understood and agreed with your other assessments and with the good writeup. Also, I think Badger fans had confidence in Nelson being solid but probably did not think she would be as good as she's been.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 30, 2015 22:10:01 GMT -5
Just curious why you only had confidence in A-Mac (which means you did not in Morey ?). I understood and agreed with your other assessments and with the good writeup. Also, I think Badger fans had confidence in Nelson being solid but probably did not think she would be as good as she's been. I meant to refer to the incoming players only.
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Post by supportvball on Nov 30, 2015 22:17:51 GMT -5
I think most people here are in agreement that Hugh should win COY. Sheffield and Aird have also done marvelous jobs, but Hugh is the favorite. +1
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Post by usvballfan on Nov 30, 2015 22:29:04 GMT -5
While I think SSS will be awarded FOY because Minnesota won your league, IMO the top two setters of the B1G are Carlini and Hunter. We all know Carlini is a great all-around player, but her and Hunters stats are a step above SSS. Most noticeable is kills, blocks and total points (almost triple and double vs. SSS).
Having finally watched the complete Penn State vs. Nebraska game on youtube.com today, I was impressed with the diversity and consistency of Nebraska's offense. See stats below:
Carlini
Total Kills = 80 Hitting% = .253 Total Assists = 1250 Assist/set = 11.9 Blocks = 86 Total Pts = 141 Pts/Set = 1.3 Digs = 289 Digs/Set = 2.75
Hunter
Total Kills = 108 Hitting% = .270 Total Assists = 1277 Assist/set = 11.36 Blocks = 83 Total Pts = 162 Pts/Set = 1.5 Digs = 252 Digs/Set = 2.33
SSS
Total Kills = 41 Hitting% = .190 Total Assists = 1273 Assist/set = 11.47 Blocks = 56 Total Pts = 88 Pts/Set = .79 Digs = 244 Digs/Set = 2.20
Having just watched the Penn State/Neb match on youtube
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Post by bball on Nov 30, 2015 22:35:13 GMT -5
Hunter is pretty awesome.
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