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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 29, 2017 15:39:22 GMT -5
if Hawaii wins out, and gets left out, they'll likely be the highest rated Massey rated team not in the field when while the ACC '40s' teams continue to feast on each other to inflate each other's resumes You've made this comment like 10 times in the last day. Hawaii has 1 win over a tournament team, in 5 at home. I can't seem to find updated Massey ratings but did any team other than Cal Poly in the Big West beat a contender for an at-large bid? When your conference collectively has two wins over tournament teams you can't be expecting to get many at-large bids. lol, so if you want to point out Hawaii has that one win, then point out what all these ACC teams have done that stands out?? when their resume is inflated by RPI, you can expect the NCAA to give you inflated bids - anyone that points to the self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e., the ACC teams inflating themselves during conference because they are RPI inflated, ok I get that that's the seletion deal, but it doesn't mean they have (in actual ability) done anything more deserving than Hawaii (so far) other than being located in the right place RPI-wise as usual www.masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratingsNC State beat.........NOBODY during non-conference - pales to Hawaii's non-conf win Notre Dame beat........Ohio State during non-conference - wow! Miami beat......NOBODY during non-conference Pittsburgh beat.....Dayton during non-conference North Carolina beat....LSU during non-conference so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI so long as the NCAA uses RPI, and particularly mis-uses it by compounding the flaws using it also for SOS & 'quality' wins, you can expect the postings (beatings) to continues - so my usual disclaimer is just don't read if you do not like Hawaii may lose another match, and then be officially out - just spare the idea that these ACC teams are more 'deserving' other than RPI inflation - lol
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Post by n00b on Oct 29, 2017 15:47:15 GMT -5
MAAC Winner (Bowling Green) to either Wisconsin or Michigan State. Bowling Green is in the MAC. Quinnipiac and St Peters are in the MAAC.
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Post by VT Five-0 on Oct 29, 2017 15:49:38 GMT -5
If Hawai‘i is on the bubble I believe they’ll be left out. As others have mentioned, their secondary criteria is not as good as some of the teams they’ll be competing with, plus it’s a lot easier to pull some of those teams into the parinings than Hawai‘i. I really hope I’m wrong about this. if Hawaii wins out, and gets left out, they'll likely be the highest rated Massey rated team not in the field when while the ACC '40s' teams continue to feast on each other to inflate each other's resumes Hawai‘i is definitely good enough to be in the tournament but the committee only looks at data, and Hawai‘i didn’t help themselves by not winning more of those 5 set losses against tournament teams, including closing out Poly when they had the chance. Hawai‘i absolutely cannot leave their tourney fate in the hands of the Committee because we already know how that is going to go.
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Post by n00b on Oct 29, 2017 15:51:35 GMT -5
You've made this comment like 10 times in the last day. Hawaii has 1 win over a tournament team, in 5 at home. I can't seem to find updated Massey ratings but did any team other than Cal Poly in the Big West beat a contender for an at-large bid? When your conference collectively has two wins over tournament teams you can't be expecting to get many at-large bids. lol, so if you want to point out Hawaii has that one win, then point out what all these ACC teams have done that stands out?? when their resume is inflated by RPI, you can expect the NCAA to give you inflated bids - anyone that points to the self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e., the ACC teams inflating themselves during conference because they are RPI inflated, ok I get that that's the seletion deal, but it doesn't mean they have (in actual ability) done anything more deserving than Hawaii (so far) other than being located in the right place RPI-wise as usual www.masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratingsNC State beat.........NOBODY during non-conference - pales to Hawaii's non-conf win Notre Dame beat........Ohio State during non-conference - wow! Miami beat......NOBODY during non-conference Pittsburgh beat.....Dayton during non-conference North Carolina beat....LSU during non-conference so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI so long as the NCAA uses RPI, and particularly mis-uses it by compounding the flaws using it also for SOS & 'quality' wins, you can expect the postings (beatings) to continues - so my usual disclaimer is just don't read if you do not like :) Hawaii may lose another match, and then be officially out - just spare the idea that these ACC teams are more 'deserving' other than RPI inflation - lol You conveniently overlooked Notre Dame's win over Michigan State. And the win by Florida State (who is 6-6 in the ACC) over Baylor in Waco - Hawaii's 'marquee' home win.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 29, 2017 15:53:45 GMT -5
MAAC Winner (Bowling Green) to either Wisconsin or Michigan State. Bowling Green is in the MAC. Quinnipiac and St Peters are in the MAAC. For some reason I was thinking it was the Mid-American Athletic Conference. Too many conferences with similar names for me I guess.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Oct 29, 2017 15:58:32 GMT -5
You've made this comment like 10 times in the last day. Hawaii has 1 win over a tournament team, in 5 at home. I can't seem to find updated Massey ratings but did any team other than Cal Poly in the Big West beat a contender for an at-large bid? When your conference collectively has two wins over tournament teams you can't be expecting to get many at-large bids. lol, so if you want to point out Hawaii has that one win, then point out what all these ACC teams have done that stands out?? when their resume is inflated by RPI, you can expect the NCAA to give you inflated bids - anyone that points to the self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e., the ACC teams inflating themselves during conference because they are RPI inflated, ok I get that that's the seletion deal, but it doesn't mean they have (in actual ability) done anything more deserving than Hawaii (so far) other than being located in the right place RPI-wise as usual www.masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratingsNC State beat.........NOBODY during non-conference - pales to Hawaii's non-conf win Notre Dame beat........Ohio State during non-conference - wow! Miami beat......NOBODY during non-conference Pittsburgh beat.....Dayton during non-conference North Carolina beat....LSU during non-conference so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI so long as the NCAA uses RPI, and particularly mis-uses it by compounding the flaws using it also for SOS & 'quality' wins, you can expect the postings (beatings) to continues - so my usual disclaimer is just don't read if you do not like Hawaii may lose another match, and then be officially out - just spare the idea that these ACC teams are more 'deserving' other than RPI inflation - lol Miami and FSU collectively had two losses in non-con to Florida and Colorado State, missing many of their games due to Hurricane Irma. You're missing FSU's victory over Baylor and Auburn along with Lousiville's over Western Kentucky (and UCI). Georgia Tech and Notre Dame each have a top 10 victory over Michigan State. That's about 10 victories over at-large teams, which is five times that of the Big West. I'm not saying that Hawaii is bad, I think they would beat a lot of the bubble ACC teams who I actually believe ultimately won't make the tourney. However, there are three ACC with better Pablo's than Hawaii and more importantly Hawaii just has not proven themselves and established a good resume. They faltered in their home tournaments and in a down year in the Big West they failed to capitalize against Cal Poly. Just seems like the intense animosity towards the ACC is misplaced when the bottom of the Big West is what's really driving Hawaii down this year.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 29, 2017 16:01:01 GMT -5
And How will Penn State play out - is there enough drive-ins to Michigan State (Wisconsin) that could produce some competition in Happy Valley? Louisville would most likely go to Michigan State, Notre Dame to Wisconsin, and Pittsburgh to Penn State. Marquette to either Michigan State or Wisconsin. Cleveland State could go to Michigan State. MAAC Winner (Bowling Green) to either Wisconsin or Michigan State. Atlantic 10: Dayton could go to either PSU or Michigan State. VCU could drive to Penn State. Something like: Wisconsin: Notre Dame, Marquette/Fly-In, MAAC Michigan State: Louisville, Marquette/Dayton/Fly-In, Horizon winner Penn State: Pittsburgh, 2 of many other drive-ins (VCU) I would have pegged Louisville going to Kentucky. But, with so many B1G teams in the tourney, perhaps it will be Purdue going to Kentucky and Louisville headed to B1G sub-regional. If the committee is going to try and maximize drive-ins (which they didn't completely do last year) - there are many, many options for Kentucky - Purdue, Michigan, Western Kentucky, Illinois, Notre Dame, Louisville - plus some potential conference winners; Austin Peay, East Tennessee State, Furman, Kennesaw State. While Notre Dame, Illinois, and Louisville can create a 'need' elsewhere.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 29, 2017 16:33:46 GMT -5
lol, so if you want to point out Hawaii has that one win, then point out what all these ACC teams have done that stands out?? when their resume is inflated by RPI, you can expect the NCAA to give you inflated bids - anyone that points to the self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e., the ACC teams inflating themselves during conference because they are RPI inflated, ok I get that that's the seletion deal, but it doesn't mean they have (in actual ability) done anything more deserving than Hawaii (so far) other than being located in the right place RPI-wise as usual www.masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratingsNC State beat.........NOBODY during non-conference - pales to Hawaii's non-conf win Notre Dame beat........Ohio State during non-conference - wow! Miami beat......NOBODY during non-conference Pittsburgh beat.....Dayton during non-conference North Carolina beat....LSU during non-conference so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI so long as the NCAA uses RPI, and particularly mis-uses it by compounding the flaws using it also for SOS & 'quality' wins, you can expect the postings (beatings) to continues - so my usual disclaimer is just don't read if you do not like Hawaii may lose another match, and then be officially out - just spare the idea that these ACC teams are more 'deserving' other than RPI inflation - lol You conveniently overlooked Notre Dame's win over Michigan State. And the win by Florida State (who is 6-6 in the ACC) over Baylor in Waco - Hawaii's 'marquee' home win. lol, no ommission by convenience at all a FSU team that barely beat a 6 win UCSB team ok, so now 6 ACC teams have a total of 5 decent non-conf wins - doesn't change the narrative - the analogy is the ACC this year is bascially a blind squirrel, and look at all the acorns they can find during conference
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 29, 2017 16:40:17 GMT -5
lol, so if you want to point out Hawaii has that one win, then point out what all these ACC teams have done that stands out?? when their resume is inflated by RPI, you can expect the NCAA to give you inflated bids - anyone that points to the self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e., the ACC teams inflating themselves during conference because they are RPI inflated, ok I get that that's the seletion deal, but it doesn't mean they have (in actual ability) done anything more deserving than Hawaii (so far) other than being located in the right place RPI-wise as usual www.masseyratings.com/cvol/ncaa-d1/ratingsNC State beat.........NOBODY during non-conference - pales to Hawaii's non-conf win Notre Dame beat........Ohio State during non-conference - wow! Miami beat......NOBODY during non-conference Pittsburgh beat.....Dayton during non-conference North Carolina beat....LSU during non-conference so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI so long as the NCAA uses RPI, and particularly mis-uses it by compounding the flaws using it also for SOS & 'quality' wins, you can expect the postings (beatings) to continues - so my usual disclaimer is just don't read if you do not like Hawaii may lose another match, and then be officially out - just spare the idea that these ACC teams are more 'deserving' other than RPI inflation - lol Miami and FSU collectively had two losses in non-con to Florida and Colorado State, missing many of their games due to Hurricane Irma. You're missing FSU's victory over Baylor and Auburn along with Lousiville's over Western Kentucky (and UCI). Georgia Tech and Notre Dame each have a top 10 victory over Michigan State. That's about 10 victories over at-large teams, which is five times that of the Big West. I'm not saying that Hawaii is bad, I think they would beat a lot of the bubble ACC teams who I actually believe ultimately won't make the tourney. However, there are three ACC with better Pablo's than Hawaii and more importantly Hawaii just has not proven themselves and established a good resume. They faltered in their home tournaments and in a down year in the Big West they failed to capitalize against Cal Poly. Just seems like the intense animosity towards the ACC is misplaced when the bottom of the Big West is what's really driving Hawaii down this year. lol - I don't have any animosity towards the ACC - towards the NCAA maybe because of the mis-application of RPI - the ACC is just the beneficiary of that and likely would be against the NCAA changing the use of RPI for that very reason
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Post by aardvark on Oct 29, 2017 17:01:23 GMT -5
lol - I don't have any animosity towards the ACC - towards the NCAA maybe because of the mis-application of RPI - the ACC is just the beneficiary of that and likely would be against the NCAA changing the use of RPI for that very reason You say no animosity, but then turn right around and say that the ACC would stand against changing the use of the RPI, with no evidence provided at all.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 29, 2017 17:20:13 GMT -5
quote author=" aardvark" source="/post/1718365/thread" timestamp="1509314483"] lol - I don't have any animosity towards the ACC - towards the NCAA maybe because of the mis-application of RPI - the ACC is just the beneficiary of that and likely would be against the NCAA changing the use of RPI for that very reason You say no animosity, but then turn right around and say that the ACC would stand against changing the use of the RPI, with no evidence provided at all. [/quote] sheesh - lol - yeah, I've done a request for all NCAA records on the subject of RPI !!! get real! are you saying they'd be for changing RPI, that's funny I don't need proof every coach / AD in the Pac-12 wants to change the use of RPI, and it's naive to think the NCAA doesn't discuss it - it's also naive to think the ACC/SEC especially do not want it changed for obvious reasons - given only one conference with any clout (the Pac-12) out of the big 5 would try to drive a change to the use of it, it's easy to see why nothing ever happens - smh
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Post by bkedane on Oct 29, 2017 17:49:18 GMT -5
quote author=" aardvark" source="/post/1718365/thread" timestamp="1509314483"] lol - I don't have any animosity towards the ACC - towards the NCAA maybe because of the mis-application of RPI - the ACC is just the beneficiary of that and likely would be against the NCAA changing the use of RPI for that very reason You say no animosity, but then turn right around and say that the ACC would stand against changing the use of the RPI, with no evidence provided at all. sheesh - lol - yeah, I've done a request for all NCAA records on the subject of RPI !!! get real! are you saying they'd be for changing RPI, that's funny I don't need proof every coach / AD in the Pac-12 wants to change the use of RPI, and it's naive to think the NCAA doesn't discuss it - it's also naive to think the ACC/SEC especially do not want it changed for obvious reasons - given only one conference with any clout (the Pac-12) out of the big 5 would try to drive a change to the use of it, it's easy to see why nothing ever happens - smh [/quote] Not every coach in the Pac12 wants to change the use of RPI. Where did you get your information about this? There certainly are issues with RPI, but I think you're over estimating the east coast bias issue. This has been studies pretty extensively. It does favor some eastern teams and conferences, but the effect is modest.
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Post by trollhunter on Oct 29, 2017 17:49:51 GMT -5
You conveniently overlooked Notre Dame's win over Michigan State. And the win by Florida State (who is 6-6 in the ACC) over Baylor in Waco - Hawaii's 'marquee' home win. lol, no ommission by convenience at all a FSU team that barely beat a 6 win UCSB team ok, so now 6 ACC teams have a total of 5 decent non-conf wins - doesn't change the narrative - the analogy is the ACC this year is bascially a blind squirrel, and look at all the acorns they can find during conference Ah, the biannual complaints from ccman about RPI - can't wait to hear it during Mens season in April. Would be more enjoyable if you used actual facts instead of made up nonsense. To help you with counting: BWC significant wins = 1. Cal Poly over Wichita State 2. Cal Poly over Dayton 2. Hawaii over Baylor ACC significant wins = 1. North Carolina beat LSU 2. Pittsburg beat Dayton 3. Notre Dame over Michigan State 4. Notre Dame over Ohio State 5. Notre Dame beat VCU 6. FSU beat Baylor 7. FSU beat Auburn 8. Georgia Tech beat Michigan State 9. Duke beat Colorado State 10. Lousiville beat Western Kentucky "so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI" ** Try 10 OOC wins for ACC versus 3 for BWC - with ACC holding 3 "better wins" than Hawaii and 1 identical. And yes, beating teams in conference that have beaten other good teams matters. So, now how about you convince us why Hawaii is "actually any better than those teams above"?
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Post by sisyphus on Oct 29, 2017 17:54:45 GMT -5
You say no animosity, but then turn right around and say that the ACC would stand against changing the use of the RPI, with no evidence provided at all. I don't need proof every coach / AD in the Pac-12 wants to change the use of RPI Not every coach in the Pac12 wants to change the use of RPI. Where did you get your information about this? He said that he didn't need proof for that case. Doubt he needs it for this one.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Oct 29, 2017 17:57:34 GMT -5
lol, no ommission by convenience at all a FSU team that barely beat a 6 win UCSB team ok, so now 6 ACC teams have a total of 5 decent non-conf wins - doesn't change the narrative - the analogy is the ACC this year is bascially a blind squirrel, and look at all the acorns they can find during conference Ah, the biannual complaints from ccman about RPI - can't wait to hear it during Mens season in April. Would be more enjoyable if you used actual facts instead of made up nonsense. To help you with counting: BWC significant wins = 1. Cal Poly over Wichita State 2. Hawaii over Dayton 2. Hawaii over Baylor ACC significant wins = 1. North Carolina beat LSU 2. Pittsburg beat Dayton 3. Notre Dame over Michigan State 4. Notre Dame over Ohio State 5. Notre Dame beat VCU 6. FSU beat Baylor 7. FSU beat Auburn 8. Georgia Tech beat Michigan State 9. Duke beat Colorado State 10. Lousiville beat Western Kentucky "so there you have it, five ACC teams with a total of 3 wins during non-conference that are good - and none of which is as good as Hawaii's win that you point out ok so good luck convincing anyone why these those teams are actually any better than Hawaii, other than they reap the benefits of feasting on themselves once conference started? typically ACC/SEC NCAA self-justification via RPI" Try 10 OOC wins for ACC versus 2 for BWC - with ACC holding 3 "better wins" than Hawaii and 1 identical. And yes, beating teams in conference that have beaten other good teams matters. So, now how about you convince us why Hawaii is "actually any better than those teams above"? lol - nice try with some selective data LMU beat North Carolina & Duke on their home courts if you want to add more data btw, I'm comparing FIVE ACC teams with ONE, Hawaii - also I'm not comparing the Big West with the ACC btw if some of you can actually read - must be North Carolina alumni that took the same courses as the basketball players RPI sucks, Massey is statistically significant ACC is the 6th best conference, the Big West is 7th, so what's your point, lol?! Hawaii is better, from Massey, than every ACC team except Louisville - and notice I didn't include Louisville for good reason comparing 7 ACC teams with 2 Big West teams....well should have be better than 3.5 ratio of better wins when doing that, guess what your data showed only 3.3 (10 divided by 3) - smh and laughing my arse off at these responses the discussion is Hawaii comparing vs FIVE ACC teams, so then you try to change the argument to the Big West vs. the ACC - again lol and smh
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