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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 3:30:09 GMT -5
+1 This is a pretty solid observation. Rettke is the reason I gave Wisconsin 1 set in my poll vote. She's been the most impressive player to date this year, in my book. PSU has their own demons to contest with. Their lowest team hitting percentage since the loss to Nebraska was .257 against MSU. They're hitting .357 during that span. Those are angels, not demons.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 24, 2017 7:06:00 GMT -5
My initial stat-comparison post, however, was only referring to Wisconsin's serve-receive. That's where WI has been suspect this year, if anywhere. Pins or middles can't get good sets if WI has a tough night receiving, and PSU's serving will test them. Passing has actually been a strength compared to previous two years, though it gets worse as the match wears on. They routinely get their middles almost 40% of sets, which is why Rettke leads B1G middles in attacks. Badgers hit 0.300 against a much tougher serving MSU squad, but lost cuz their defense stank that one match. I think that was down to the serve game. It can be a problem, especially as the match wears on and the kids get tentative, but it's good enough to keep opponents below 0.200 most nights. Minnesota has hit 0.230-0.240. If PSU hits 0.300 it will be hard for the badgers to compete I think. Penn State has only had 4 matches this season where they hit below .300 and they won 3 of the 4. PSU hit .257 and .260 against Stanford, while keeping the Cardinal to .214 and .186, respectively. PSU hit .257 against Michigan St., while keeping them to a .221 hitting clip. PSU only hit below .250 once this year, wanna know what happened? In Penn State's only loss, they hit .227 and Nebraska hit .347 in that match; a tall order to follow for WI. Wisconsin hit .229 and .189 vs MN and allowed .239 and .240, respectively. Wisconsin hit .194 and .296 vs NE and allowed .193 and .163, respectively. Wisconsin hit .202 and .295 vs MI St. and allowed .182 and .348, respectively. All worthy opponents for certain, and the Nebraska win was impressive. However, WI only walked away with 1 win in those 6 matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 7:09:52 GMT -5
I mean, I don't know if any kind of stat manipulation is going to show you want you want to see. I think that Thelen's progress (especially attacking off two feet), the fact that Rose moved Lee away from Washington in the lineup, and Gorrell being back in the middle are three very important factors that have led to Penn State's very high level of play over the last few matches. Washington has actually increased her nation-leading hitting percentage and her kills per set during that time, too -- not surprising now that she isn't next to Lee. I think Wisconsin will take a set because Rettke is elite, but it's going to take a career match from one or more of the pins to have a shot at winning IMO. If all three pins decide to play poorly again, I think PSU will be able to handle them quicker than Minnesota did. +1 This is a pretty solid observation. Rettke is the reason I gave Wisconsin 1 set in my poll vote. She's been the most impressive player to date this year, in my book. I like Rettke. Wisconsin got a really good one. Fwiw, I also like doughnuts. My opinion of Rettke and doughnuts are probably of similar value. I hope Penn State wins. I hope noone offers me a doughnut.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 24, 2017 7:59:47 GMT -5
I have started and erased so many posts replying to Shhhhh. Your assertions are as flawed as you claim everyone else's to be. No one is drawing hard and fast statistical conclusions from data they present. They aren't presenting p scores or statiscal causal connections. They are trying to interpret with likes and an admittedly small data set. Stop being an a$$.
You seem to assert WI has stunk it up against better competition. I assert we have not. In our losses to MSU, we failed to receive serve well and a big front line shut us down and they served and defended very well. In the end, the 5 setter was close as most 5 setters tend to be. A few different plays (not career nights from all our pins) would have turned the tide. MN simply stayed in system and it wasn't necessarily with superior passing. It was SSS keeping them in system when passes weren't great. They also defended lights out against us. Far from our best nights, but we had some lights-out vb in those matches and players continue to develop.
That all being said, PSU has pretty good defense, but there is a strategy to beat them without having "career nights" from all three pins. Serve tough. Make their OHs pass and defend. Keep it away from Kendall. Tell Gillis and Duello, god help them, to not hit into the meat of the block. Hit your seams. Use the edge. Good formed block? Edge and high hands. Granted, haven't really done that most of the year very well. That said, I give PSU the edge, but they aren't infallible and it won't take career nights from all pins for WI to win.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:02:07 GMT -5
That all being said, PSU has pretty good defense, but there is a strategy to beat them without having "career nights" from all three pins. Serve tough. Make their OHs pass and defend. Keep it away from Kendall. Tell Gillis and Duello, god help them, to not hit into the meat of the block. Hit your seams. Use the edge. Good formed block? Edge and high hands. Granted, haven't really done that most of the year very well. That said, I give PSU the edge, but they aren't infallible and it won't take career nights from all pins for WI to win. ...except you literally just described the definition of "career night" for Gillis and Duello though, since a night of following all your instructions would yield one of the better matches of their careers, but ooooooooooookay! Never said all pins would need career nights. Just one. One plus a par-for-the-course performance from both Williams and Rettke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:16:35 GMT -5
I have started and erased so many posts replying to Shhhhh. You've liked about ten of my posts in the last week alone.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 24, 2017 9:27:34 GMT -5
I have started and erased so many posts replying to Shhhhh. You've liked about ten of my posts in the last week alone. Keeping track, eh Michigander? Liking some posts doesn't mean I had a hard time replying to these posts that seem to be written with a pole crammed up your as$ sideways.
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Post by southie on Oct 24, 2017 9:47:37 GMT -5
Come on, Wisconsin! Time for someone to start shaking things up a bit!
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Oct 24, 2017 10:06:20 GMT -5
Hoping Gillis can just hit above .000 against Penn State. Don't see a Badgers win in the cards at all in this one, though didn't see them beating Nebraska either, but wish them luck knocking off #1.
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Post by future on Oct 24, 2017 10:15:06 GMT -5
+1 This is a pretty solid observation. Rettke is the reason I gave Wisconsin 1 set in my poll vote. She's been the most impressive player to date this year, in my book. I like Rettke. Wisconsin got a really good one. Fwiw, I also like doughnuts. My opinion of Rettke and doughnuts are probably of similar value. I hope Penn State wins. I hope noone offers me a doughnut.
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Post by nutty on Oct 24, 2017 10:15:16 GMT -5
Beating Nebraska wasn't a surprise to me. I think Wisconsin matches up favorably with Nebraska. They also probably should've won in Lincoln and didn't. Of all of the matches, I thought the one in East Lansing and then Saturday in Minneapolis were the most discouraging. They were really the only 2 matches where I thought they were thoroughly outplayed. Especially the one in East Lansing
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Post by buckybadger8 on Oct 24, 2017 10:25:58 GMT -5
I really like PSU in this match-up but would be ecstatic if WI came away with the W. I'll point out the obvious (as many have before me) and just say Gillis/Bates need to produce at a higher rate, especially OOS, if Wisconsin wants to compete in Happy Valley. Washington will get hers, Rettke will get hers. The pins will be key in this match-up.
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Post by vawbaw on Oct 24, 2017 10:57:51 GMT -5
Just saw the dignittanylions ProBoards forum! Wow, no wonder PSU posters hardly post on Volleytalk anymore. I love how the creators of your forum pay to remove the ads. I wonder if the mods for Volleytalk can’t afford the $5.99/mo.
There are pages and pages of great analysis, insights, and lack of trolling from the typical PSU trolls on this website, and it seems like a wonderful online resource for your fans, players, and recruits. I kind of want to start a ProBoards forum dedicated to Minnesota volleyball today! We’re a growing bunch, and we would likely have more meaningful conversations without the bullying and sidetracking so prevalent on Volleytalk!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 11:32:21 GMT -5
PSU has their own demons to contest with. Their lowest team hitting percentage since the loss to Nebraska was .257 against MSU. They're hitting .357 during that span. Those are angels, not demons. haha. they played Indiana, Northwestern, Ohio State, Iowa and Maryland during that span. Ohio State took PSU to 5 hitting .197. After the Nebraska match. PSU hit .250 against MSU, the best team they have played since Neb.
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Post by akbar on Oct 24, 2017 12:20:00 GMT -5
Wisconsin will be a formidable foe. Looking forward to a great B1G matchup.
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