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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 27, 2017 14:00:20 GMT -5
Thank you for mentioning this. Really, I didn't read anyone else saying that in this thread. Send over lollipops to teams like Penn State and see where their hitting % goes. not discussed here but certainly discussed elsewhere True, it is a "volleyball truism". If not given occasion for it, I wouldn't have mentioned it. |
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Post by bkedane on Oct 27, 2017 15:12:37 GMT -5
You say you "believe" these things about PSU and the players you mention. Are your beliefs based on anything besides watching the matches you've watched? For example, do you have any stats supporting your claims about "bad back row" for Frantti, or "incredible" serving? Yes. Let me ask this. Are you disagreeing? Stats be damned, you don't need them to know that Simone is elite in all phases but passing and floor defense and you don't need them to know Frantti has been hot and cold. I can pull stats to support my assertions, but I"m not sure I want to nor do I think you disagree. You're just being difficult to be difficult. Rough week, sweetie? Why are you calling me 'sweetie'? I don't understand. I disagree with your claim that PSU serving is incredible. You say you can "pull stats" to support your assertions. Please do so. I also disagree that Frantti is "bad back row" as you put it. What supports this claim? I don't know what the passing stats show about Lee's passing. What stats will you "pull" to support these claims? |
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 16:55:41 GMT -5
Yes. Let me ask this. Are you disagreeing? Stats be damned, you don't need them to know that Simone is elite in all phases but passing and floor defense and you don't need them to know Frantti has been hot and cold. I can pull stats to support my assertions, but I"m not sure I want to nor do I think you disagree. You're just being difficult to be difficult. Rough week, sweetie? Why are you calling me 'sweetie'? I don't understand. I disagree with your claim that PSU serving is incredible. You say you can "pull stats" to support your assertions. Please do so. I also disagree that Frantti is "bad back row" as you put it. What supports this claim? I don't know what the passing stats show about Lee's passing. What stats will you "pull" to support these claims? By way of explanation, when I don't like someone or a comment they make, I use dear, sweetie, darling, honey, love...whatever toungue in cheek expression comes to mind to denote caring when in fact, I don't. Moving one... To define elite, would they be put on an AA list solely for their passing or floor defense? If so, they are elite in the college game. I will not be scoring passes nor positive defensive touches for either Frantti or Lee. I simply don't care enough to do it nor am I getting paid to do so. However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. You know how? IT'S CONCENSUS. But should you disagree, as it appears you have, I have another measuring stick that every coach and player in the country has; perception. It's a mental count of bad passes, touches. Believe it or not, people who know the sport can very easily mentally record observation and do so relatively accurately. If I were coaching, I'd prefer PxP stats with reception score and digs, but I'm not. Tangentially, do you really believe they're targeted by EVERY team they play, year in and year out, because they're elite? Isn't Ali pulled out half the time? Yes, she is. Is it because she's elite? No it's not. If you fail to recognize these things, you are categorically, a moron. Stats to determine whether the serving is "incredible" is tough and confounded by other statistics. SAs per attempt? Maybe. Is it passing stats of the opposing team? Certainly. Hitting percentage of opposing team? Not as clear because that begs the question how blocking skill affects that. I have no clue who you are and you have no clue who I am. Good news is...couldn't care less whether you (1) find my comments of value; and (2) believe I know my %*$#. I assure you, I do despite my embassioned BS which is really for the sake of my own, personal entertainment. |
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Post by Millennium on Oct 27, 2017 16:59:09 GMT -5
bkedane , the block feature is your friend.
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Post by akbar on Oct 27, 2017 17:15:34 GMT -5
Why are you calling me 'sweetie'? I don't understand. I disagree with your claim that PSU serving is incredible. You say you can "pull stats" to support your assertions. Please do so. I also disagree that Frantti is "bad back row" as you put it. What supports this claim? I don't know what the passing stats show about Lee's passing. What stats will you "pull" to support these claims? However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. If I were coaching, Hilarious post SportO! You wouldnt know what to do with an elite player nor how to identify one. Stick to the 13 U GREEN club team. Heaven help those girls and parents. You are fast becoming the least liked and least respected poster on VTalk. You know how I know.....It's consensus. |
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Post by northwoods on Oct 27, 2017 17:35:36 GMT -5
When a single regular season match thread goes 38 pages, things are bound to run off into a ditch...
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 17:40:03 GMT -5
However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. If I were coaching, Hilarious post SportO! You wouldnt know what to do with an elite player nor how to identify one. Stick to the 13 U GREEN club team. Heaven help those girls and parents. You are fast becoming the least liked and least respected poster on VTalk. You know how I know.....It's consensus. help. Block feature not working. And by the by, you'll always beat me there. |
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Oct 27, 2017 17:54:19 GMT -5
However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. If I were coaching, Hilarious post SportO! You wouldnt know what to do with an elite player nor how to identify one. Stick to the 13 U GREEN club team. Heaven help those girls and parents. You are fast becoming the least liked and least respected poster on VTalk. You know how I know.....It's consensus. Stop it, dudette is the best of the badgers bunch. He is an expert in volleyball, a coach (pretending) and a Juris Dotorate (not lawyer)  |
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Post by gnu2vball on Oct 27, 2017 18:12:51 GMT -5
Seems as if there's a lot of unresolved anger between portions of the PSU and Wisconsin fan bases. This thread certainly drew a lot more PSU fans than other games this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 18:48:40 GMT -5
everyone is mad at daddy : (
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Post by bkedane on Oct 27, 2017 19:25:17 GMT -5
Why are you calling me 'sweetie'? I don't understand. I disagree with your claim that PSU serving is incredible. You say you can "pull stats" to support your assertions. Please do so. I also disagree that Frantti is "bad back row" as you put it. What supports this claim? I don't know what the passing stats show about Lee's passing. What stats will you "pull" to support these claims? By way of explanation, when I don't like someone or a comment they make, I use dear, sweetie, darling, honey, love...whatever toungue in cheek expression comes to mind to denote caring when in fact, I don't. Moving one... To define elite, would they be put on an AA list solely for their passing or floor defense? If so, they are elite in the college game. I will not be scoring passes nor positive defensive touches for either Frantti or Lee. I simply don't care enough to do it nor am I getting paid to do so. However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. You know how? IT'S CONCENSUS. But should you disagree, as it appears you have, I have another measuring stick that every coach and player in the country has; perception. It's a mental count of bad passes, touches. Believe it or not, people who know the sport can very easily mentally record observation and do so relatively accurately. If I were coaching, I'd prefer PxP stats with reception score and digs, but I'm not. Tangentially, do you really believe they're targeted by EVERY team they play, year in and year out, because they're elite? Isn't Ali pulled out half the time? Yes, she is. Is it because she's elite? No it's not. If you fail to recognize these things, you are categorically, a moron. Stats to determine whether the serving is "incredible" is tough and confounded by other statistics. SAs per attempt? Maybe. Is it passing stats of the opposing team? Certainly. Hitting percentage of opposing team? Not as clear because that begs the question how blocking skill affects that. I have no clue who you are and you have no clue who I am. Good news is...couldn't care less whether you (1) find my comments of value; and (2) believe I know my %*$#. I assure you, I do despite my embassioned BS which is really for the sake of my own, personal entertainment. I thought you were going to pull the stats that support your view. You now say you can't do that. Instead you say that "concensus" (or the actually word that you can't spell) is what supports your view along with your vision. Thanks. I checked with people who actually have the statistical information to see what the passing and serving statistics show. If you really get curious about it you're welcome to do the same. I doubt you will because you think you have the answers already. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 27, 2017 21:11:15 GMT -5
wow, this match was like 48 hours ago. MSU/Neb just finished, Iowa/Mich did as well. Stanford will be playing later tonight, Washington is playing USC.
And this thread is still going?
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 23:15:15 GMT -5
By way of explanation, when I don't like someone or a comment they make, I use dear, sweetie, darling, honey, love...whatever toungue in cheek expression comes to mind to denote caring when in fact, I don't. Moving one... To define elite, would they be put on an AA list solely for their passing or floor defense? If so, they are elite in the college game. I will not be scoring passes nor positive defensive touches for either Frantti or Lee. I simply don't care enough to do it nor am I getting paid to do so. However, I still know they are not elite in that skill. You know how? IT'S CONCENSUS. But should you disagree, as it appears you have, I have another measuring stick that every coach and player in the country has; perception. It's a mental count of bad passes, touches. Believe it or not, people who know the sport can very easily mentally record observation and do so relatively accurately. If I were coaching, I'd prefer PxP stats with reception score and digs, but I'm not. Tangentially, do you really believe they're targeted by EVERY team they play, year in and year out, because they're elite? Isn't Ali pulled out half the time? Yes, she is. Is it because she's elite? No it's not. If you fail to recognize these things, you are categorically, a moron. Stats to determine whether the serving is "incredible" is tough and confounded by other statistics. SAs per attempt? Maybe. Is it passing stats of the opposing team? Certainly. Hitting percentage of opposing team? Not as clear because that begs the question how blocking skill affects that. I have no clue who you are and you have no clue who I am. Good news is...couldn't care less whether you (1) find my comments of value; and (2) believe I know my %*$#. I assure you, I do despite my embassioned BS which is really for the sake of my own, personal entertainment. I thought you were going to pull the stats that support your view. You now say you can't do that. Instead you say that "concensus" (or the actually word that you can't spell) is what supports your view along with your vision. Thanks. I checked with people who actually have the statistical information to see what the passing and serving statistics show. If you really get curious about it you're welcome to do the same. I doubt you will because you think you have the answers already. Bless your heart, you DON'T have the stats. What psu publishes has nothing to do with pass scoring, sweetie darling. Go away. |
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Post by bkedane on Oct 28, 2017 7:52:54 GMT -5
I thought you were going to pull the stats that support your view. You now say you can't do that. Instead you say that "concensus" (or the actually word that you can't spell) is what supports your view along with your vision. Thanks. I checked with people who actually have the statistical information to see what the passing and serving statistics show. If you really get curious about it you're welcome to do the same. I doubt you will because you think you have the answers already. Bless your heart, you DON'T have the stats. What psu publishes has nothing to do with pass scoring, sweetie darling. Go away. I did not get the statistical information from "what psu publishes" - that information is useless. I got the information from volleymetrics. That information is exactly what was being discussed. A self-proclaimed expert like you surely has access to the information. You continue to act like you are some kind of expert. You pretended you could just "pull" the reception and serving stats if you wanted to do so. Then you discuss serving stats in a way that shows that you don't know the game. Volleytalk is an odd community. There are many fans posting here. There are also professional coaches on the board. There are also people, like you, who try to act like experts but then post "analyses" that show every professional that you're pretending to know something. At least you provide some laughs that way. |
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