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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 8:19:26 GMT -5
And you were swept by NE. At home. There is parity. PSU is not that good. WI held you well below your season hitting percentage. It takes a good defensive team that can executive offensively to take you down. Just saying there's more parity than year's past and the PSU bravado is hopefully going to bite boof in his a$$ If Penn State is not that good, where does that put Wisconsin? Isn't that obvious? Really not that good...yet. They have potential that I believe is untapped...EXCEPT at the pins. Get Haggerty and Loberg and we're there. Even if Loberg is in I believe we have more than with Gillis and can progress. So my thought is we are elite 8 with a good draw. We likely don't lose to anyone outside of top 15. I believe Simone is elite in all phases but her passing and defense. I believe HW is one of the best MHs....but still has trouble closing and is not the quickest mh...but she doesn't need it in all situations. Frantti? Hot and cold. Bad back row. Other teams like TX have got a higher ceiling given the immense talent they have. Teams with solid blocks and good floor defense who have good pins. I say good pins because Penn State's serving is incredible. Takes best teams out of system.
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Post by bkedane on Oct 27, 2017 11:07:10 GMT -5
Stanford is a elite 8 team and number 2 in country and penn state has beat them twice. Just stop. And you were swept by NE. At home. There is parity. PSU is not that good. WI held you well below your season hitting percentage. It takes a good defensive team that can executive offensively to take you down. Just saying there's more parity than year's past and the PSU bravado is hopefully going to bite boof in his a$$ PSU's "season hitting percentage" is against teams with an average ranking well below Wisconsin's ranking. Isn't it normal for a team to have a worse hitting percentage against a top 10 opponent than against their full schedule? That said, I think you are right that there are more teams around PSU's level than in some past PSU championship years. I'm not sure this means that "PSU is not that good" -- maybe PSU is good but so are 15 other teams this year.
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 27, 2017 11:09:47 GMT -5
If Penn State is not that good, where does that put Wisconsin? Isn't that obvious? Really not that good... I agree with all your statements, except I don't know if I would exactly call the badgers "not that good." They are definitely top 15, and probably somewhere in the top 10-12 right now. In the B1G that places you fifth in line, unfortunately. Minn, MSU, PSU and Neb are a bit better. But PSU best not be complacent. Remove the net -10 in the serve game and the badgers are right with PSU in that match. UW scored 66 to PSUs 70 points even with virtually no production from the pins and the dumb overpasses/digs for easy kills by PSU. A team that executes better from the service line, is more composed in passing and expects better pin production will be a problem for the Lions. Minnesota, for example. They looked a little put out by Bastianelli's presence Weds night, but I think they represent a tough matchup for PSU.
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Post by bkedane on Oct 27, 2017 11:10:37 GMT -5
If Penn State is not that good, where does that put Wisconsin? Isn't that obvious? Really not that good...yet. They have potential that I believe is untapped...EXCEPT at the pins. Get Haggerty and Loberg and we're there. Even if Loberg is in I believe we have more than with Gillis and can progress. So my thought is we are elite 8 with a good draw. We likely don't lose to anyone outside of top 15. I believe Simone is elite in all phases but her passing and defense. I believe HW is one of the best MHs....but still has trouble closing and is not the quickest mh...but she doesn't need it in all situations. Frantti? Hot and cold. Bad back row. Other teams like TX have got a higher ceiling given the immense talent they have. Teams with solid blocks and good floor defense who have good pins. I say good pins because Penn State's serving is incredible. Takes best teams out of system. You say you "believe" these things about PSU and the players you mention. Are your beliefs based on anything besides watching the matches you've watched? For example, do you have any stats supporting your claims about "bad back row" for Frantti, or "incredible" serving?
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 27, 2017 11:18:46 GMT -5
If Penn State is not that good, where does that put Wisconsin? 6 B1G losses and counting. Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten.
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Post by MTC on Oct 27, 2017 11:31:12 GMT -5
6 B1G losses and counting. Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten. You have to wonder what would happen if the Badger eased up and improved their serving.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 27, 2017 11:38:11 GMT -5
Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten. You have to wonder what would happen if the Badger eased up and improved their serving. It is being wondered much to be sure
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Post by nutty on Oct 27, 2017 11:39:19 GMT -5
Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten. You have to wonder what would happen if the Badger eased up and improved their serving. Well, for starters the imprint of my hand on my forehead from all of my frustration wouldn't be as noticeable
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 27, 2017 11:49:22 GMT -5
Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten. You have to wonder what would happen if the Badger eased up and improved their serving. As if serving is necessarily improved by easing off - the opposite can just as easily happen.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 12:03:08 GMT -5
Isn't that obvious? Really not that good...yet. They have potential that I believe is untapped...EXCEPT at the pins. Get Haggerty and Loberg and we're there. Even if Loberg is in I believe we have more than with Gillis and can progress. So my thought is we are elite 8 with a good draw. We likely don't lose to anyone outside of top 15. I believe Simone is elite in all phases but her passing and defense. I believe HW is one of the best MHs....but still has trouble closing and is not the quickest mh...but she doesn't need it in all situations. Frantti? Hot and cold. Bad back row. Other teams like TX have got a higher ceiling given the immense talent they have. Teams with solid blocks and good floor defense who have good pins. I say good pins because Penn State's serving is incredible. Takes best teams out of system. You say you "believe" these things about PSU and the players you mention. Are your beliefs based on anything besides watching the matches you've watched? For example, do you have any stats supporting your claims about "bad back row" for Frantti, or "incredible" serving? Yes. Let me ask this. Are you disagreeing? Stats be damned, you don't need them to know that Simone is elite in all phases but passing and floor defense and you don't need them to know Frantti has been hot and cold. I can pull stats to support my assertions, but I"m not sure I want to nor do I think you disagree. You're just being difficult to be difficult. Rough week, sweetie?
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Post by Millennium on Oct 27, 2017 12:06:20 GMT -5
You have to wonder what would happen if the Badger eased up and improved their serving. As if serving is necessarily improved by easing off - the opposite can just as easily happen. Thank you for mentioning this. Really, I didn't read anyone else saying that in this thread. Send over lollipops to teams like Penn State and see where their hitting % goes. I'm sure it'll be over .300
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Oct 27, 2017 12:07:13 GMT -5
You don't argue with @sportybucky as he is Volleyball's god and know it all.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 12:07:19 GMT -5
As if serving is necessarily improved by easing off - the opposite can just as easily happen. Thank you for mentioning this. Really, I didn't read anyone else saying that in this thread. Send over lollipops to teams like Penn State and see where their hitting % goes. not discussed here but certainly discussed elsewhere
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 12:08:20 GMT -5
PSU being 20-1 that’s a start.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 12:12:54 GMT -5
PSU being 20-1 that’s a start. Not sure about some people but havnt heard of many “not that good” 20-1 teams. Whoops didn’t mean to comment on myself. My bad.
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