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Post by Millennium on Oct 27, 2017 12:13:37 GMT -5
Stanford is a elite 8 team and number 2 in country and penn state has beat them twice. Just stop. And you were swept by NE. At home. There is parity. PSU is not that good. WI held you well below your season hitting percentage. It takes a good defensive team that can executive offensively to take you down. Just saying there's more parity than year's past and the PSU bravado is hopefully going to bite boof in his a$$ I think you need to realize that Penn State has made several key changes to their rotation since the Nebraska match. The idea is to get better as the season wears on. Clearly beating Wisconsin, who I think is a good team, bodes well for Penn State. You can save the trash talking for after PSU plays Wisky at home.
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 27, 2017 12:16:26 GMT -5
Badgers ease off serving and you get MSU hitting 0.346 against the badgers. They can't ease up, but they have to execute better.
Plenty of top teams disrupt with their serves without getting 15 SEs in 4 sets. PSU for example. Giving four points per set is too much to get away with against good teams.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 27, 2017 12:18:10 GMT -5
If Penn State is not that good, where does that put Wisconsin? I understood the argument to be that PSU, while good, is not head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. Gone are the days when PSU could walk into any gym and expect a sweep. PSU is stronger than Wisconsin, but not to a crazy degree. Nebraska had PSU's number. I'll be interested to see how they play against Minnesota. Etc. Wisconsin has definite weaknesses. I think we're a solid 5th in conference right now, behind PSU, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Michigan State. I'm just not sure who's first/second/third/fourth. There's still a whole half a season left. These 2 statements are absolutely true and I agree 100%. Every team has areas that need improvement. The key will be to see who is executing the most effectively come tourney time with the starters they have. I'm certain most PSU fans don't feel overly confident that PSU will be winning another championship, especially after last season. We get plenty nervous.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 27, 2017 12:21:33 GMT -5
As if serving is necessarily improved by easing off - the opposite can just as easily happen. Thank you for mentioning this. Really, I didn't read anyone else saying that in this thread. Send over lollipops to teams like Penn State and see where their hitting % goes. I'm sure it'll be over .300 I don't disagree with you on the point but there comes a point when you have to change your serving style and philosophy. Bombing away with a 20% error rate is not helping. We do have several players that serve lollipops (Dodge, Clark mainly) that do not do much to put a team OOS. But we still get points off of Clark's serve because we also have a defense to get in the way and give a chance. However Wis did change it up against Nebraska the first time. We had something like 80 serving errors in the first 2 sets and won then started playing more conservative with the serves after and did get bombed. There has to be a fine line between all or nothing.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 12:22:29 GMT -5
I understood the argument to be that PSU, while good, is not head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. Gone are the days when PSU could walk into any gym and expect a sweep. PSU is stronger than Wisconsin, but not to a crazy degree. Nebraska had PSU's number. I'll be interested to see how they play against Minnesota. Etc. Wisconsin has definite weaknesses. I think we're a solid 5th in conference right now, behind PSU, Nebraska, Minnesota, and Michigan State. I'm just not sure who's first/second/third/fourth. There's still a whole half a season left. These 2 statements are absolutely true and I agree 100%. Every team has areas that need improvement. The key will be to see who is executing the most effectively come tourney time with the starters they have. I'm certain most PSU fans don't feel overly confident that PSU will be winning another championship, especially after last season. We get plenty nervous. I can also agree with everything said here. My issue is with Sportybucky comment that PSU is “ not that good”.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 27, 2017 12:23:24 GMT -5
PSU being 20-1 that’s a start. Not sure about some people but havnt heard of many “not that good” 20-1 teams. Whoops didn’t mean to comment on myself. My bad. It wouldn't be you if you were not quoting yourself boof
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Post by Millennium on Oct 27, 2017 12:24:28 GMT -5
6 B1G losses and counting. Finishing 14-6 is not all that bad in the big ten. Especially considering the Badger's schedule this season.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 12:26:39 GMT -5
OMFG. I replied to this comment, "Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year." I wholeheartedly disagree that PSU "sure looked like the #1 team in the nation." I went on to clarify that there's parity and PSU is beatable. And by "not that good" I mean not head and shoulders above those that are right behind them in the standings. PSU could be challenged and beaten by a handful of teams playing well, not even their best. That is different than PSU of years past or a clear number one. I can be sensitive, but you all are beyond. Bu bye.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 12:32:04 GMT -5
OMFG. I replied to this comment, "Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year." I wholeheartedly disagree that PSU "sure looked like the #1 team in the nation." I went on to clarify that there's parity and PSU is beatable. And by "not that good" I mean not head and shoulders above those that are right behind them in the standings. PSU could be challenged and beaten by a handful of teams playing well, not even their best. That is different than PSU of years past or a clear number one. I can be sensitive, but you all are beyond. Bu bye. Maybe u had the conversation somewhere but this started when i made a comment on something northern lights posted. If what u just posted was what I was commenting on I would agree but that was a different conversation independent from where we started. I didn’t see that other conversation wherever it was
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 12:34:00 GMT -5
Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year. OMFG. I replied to this comment, "Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year." I wholeheartedly disagree that PSU "sure looked like the #1 team in the nation." I went on to clarify that there's parity and PSU is beatable. And by "not that good" I mean not head and shoulders above those that are right behind them in the standings. PSU could be challenged and beaten by a handful of teams playing well, not even their best. That is different than PSU of years past or a clear number one. I can be sensitive, but you all are beyond. Bu bye. Maybe u had the conversation somewhere but this started when i made a comment on something northern lights posted. If what u just posted was what I was commenting on I would agree but that was a different conversation independent from where we started. I didn’t see that other conversation wherever it was Yes is did start there. Here you go, boof SportyBucky Professional ***** SportyBucky Avatar Posts: 2,933 Member is Online #1 Penn State vs #9 Wisconsin - Wed. 10/25 - 7:00 pm 19 hours ago via mobile Quote Edit like Post Options Post by SportyBucky on 19 hours ago Sbilo Avatar 20 hours ago Sbilo said: Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year. No they didn't. They weren't impressive, hit for a very low %. If WI was Gillisless, they'd have lost. Parity, baby. Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/71076/penn-state-wisconsin-10-25?page=37#ixzz4wjNdSmsE
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 12:38:08 GMT -5
Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year. Maybe u had the conversation somewhere but this started when i made a comment on something northern lights posted. If what u just posted was what I was commenting on I would agree but that was a different conversation independent from where we started. I didn’t see that other conversation wherever it was Yes is did start there. Here you go, boof SportyBucky Professional ***** SportyBucky Avatar Posts: 2,933 Member is Online #1 Penn State vs #9 Wisconsin - Wed. 10/25 - 7:00 pm 19 hours ago via mobile Quote Edit like Post Options Post by SportyBucky on 19 hours ago Sbilo Avatar 20 hours ago Sbilo said: Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year. No they didn't. They weren't impressive, hit for a very low %. If WI was Gillisless, they'd have lost. Parity, baby. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/71076/penn-state-wisconsin-10-25?page=37#ixzz4wjNdSmsEThat was a conversation with someone else independent of conversation I was replying to. Whatever though
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 27, 2017 12:51:25 GMT -5
Yes is did start there. Here you go, boof SportyBucky Professional ***** SportyBucky Avatar Posts: 2,933 Member is Online #1 Penn State vs #9 Wisconsin - Wed. 10/25 - 7:00 pm 19 hours ago via mobile Quote Edit like Post Options Post by SportyBucky on 19 hours ago Sbilo Avatar 20 hours ago Sbilo said: Penn State sure looked like the #1 team in the nation.. arguably the strongest contender for NC this year. No they didn't. They weren't impressive, hit for a very low %. If WI was Gillisless, they'd have lost. Parity, baby. Read more: volleytalk.net/thread/71076/penn-state-wisconsin-10-25?page=37#ixzz4wjNdSmsEThat was a conversation with someone else independent of conversation I was replying to. Whatever though Exactly. Whatever. You're wrong, but point to a PM or different conversation to make it better. Bottom line, I didn't say, imply or infer what you PSU dopes are asserting.
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Post by Northern lights on Oct 27, 2017 12:57:13 GMT -5
A lot of overly sensitive people in a few different BIG threads.
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Post by Boof1224 on Oct 27, 2017 13:07:15 GMT -5
That was a conversation with someone else independent of conversation I was replying to. Whatever though Exactly. Whatever. You're wrong, but point to a PM or different conversation to make it better. Bottom line, I didn't say, imply or infer what you PSU dopes are asserting. K I’m wrong cause u say so. I fully agree
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Post by lionsfan on Oct 27, 2017 13:30:22 GMT -5
Lord. So is everyone “not that good”? Does anyone look like the #1 team recently? Has Stanford ever been at full strength this season? We’re a team full of average blockers? Trust me...Penn State fans are well aware of many things: - This team isn’t the 2008-2009 team. Nor is it the 2013 team. We hope, maybe, it could be the 2010 team.
- We got swept by Nebraska. At home. Nebraska is 20-10 all-time against us, by far the most successful program against the Lions. They have our number.
- We lost in the round of 16 the last two years.
- We are a veteran team, and younger teams may have “higher ceilings.” We also know that young players may wear down as the season does.
So, right now, we’re 20-1. And while I never like to have them #1 and prefer the team to have less pressure, I can very easily see why we are. I don’t have the homerism or bravado to predict we are the favorites to win the title, but we are certainly in the conversation, and we still should be in the next month. I am fully aware that we could easily lose at Illinois, at Michigan State, at Wisconsin and at Minnesota. I am fully aware we got taken to five at Texas A&M and at Ohio State. Of all the teams in the conversation, we have the most number of potential losses ahead of us. So, if we’re not #1 right now, who is the obvious choice? Stanford, who lost twice to us? Their best OOC win is 3-0 against Illinois. They got taken to five at Colorado and at home against Washington. So, Plummer was sick and battling a virus when we beat Stanford twice...and she was sick and battling a virus at home against the Washington schools last weekend. She’s been sick and battling a virus for two months. OK, we get it. She had 12 kills and hit .440 against Illinois, 17 kills and hit .519 against Cal, 12 kills and hit .423 against Arizona, 13 kills and hit .545 at Oregon, 21 kills on .289 at UCLA, 10 kills on .261 against Washington State. And yes, Lutz didn’t play the first match against Penn State. But she did in the second, after she had 12 kills hitting .381 against Illinois the night before. How did she feel then? Do you know that every Penn State player has been fully healthy this season? Should Florida be #1? Maybe. They got beat 3-1 at home. And have two great home wins. And also got taken to 5 on the road to an unranked team. Texas? Their two best OOC wins (3-1 over Oregon and San Diego) aren’t as impressive as Penn State’s, and they lost at home to Minny. They got taken to 5 at West Virginia, a team Penn State beat 3-0 in Morgantown. They just dropped a set…at 5-17 Oklahoma. Minnesota? Maybe. Great OOC win at Texas. Also 3-2 at Boise, and swept by Nebraska and Michigan State, just taken to five by Illinois. Kentucky? Looking at their schedule, they might be the closet. Great win at Florida and at home against Utah, wins against UNI and USC, swept by Creighton and Kansas. Nebraska? Arguably the best win of any team, 3-0 at Penn State. But they have 4 losses, including one to Northern Iowa held in Omaha, and one a few weeks ago to Wisconsin. Who else? Michigan State? Wisconsin? BYU? Kansas? Who, recently, does look like the #1 team? No Penn State fan is thumbing their chest at being ranked #1 right now. No Penn State fan is going to be surprised if they don’t win it all this year, or if Stanford wins it all again. But we have reason to believe we have a better chance than the last two years. Some of the musings in here are just silly.
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