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Post by bigfan on Oct 24, 2017 17:47:33 GMT -5
Brevity is the soul of wit. Wisconsin playing at home in front of rabid delusional people always helps.
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Post by lo4um on Oct 24, 2017 17:54:15 GMT -5
This Michigan fan unfortunately lives closer to Madison than Ann Arbor so will be in attendance for the rematch in Madison. So whatever happens tomorrow night, I hope it makes for an excellent rematch. Maybe I’ll even get to meet you badger crazies in person.. a face to face argument about that waiver incident could be fun
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Post by rainbowbadger on Oct 24, 2017 17:55:12 GMT -5
Brevity is the soul of wit. Wisconsin playing at home in front of rabid delusional people always helps. Um, this match is in Happy Valley...
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Post by bigfan on Oct 24, 2017 17:56:35 GMT -5
Wisconsin playing at home in front of rabid delusional people always helps. Um, this match is in Happy Valley... The team does not know this.........................they play for Wisconsin after all.
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 24, 2017 18:18:11 GMT -5
I certainly appreciate you putting this info out there for discussion purposes. However, my experience has shown by the midway point in the season, the stats don't lie about team tendencies. If these were the stats of only the pre-conference matches, I would have not even posted it. The serve-receive game is crucial for Wisconsin to win this one. Normally, I would agree with you about sample size, but my point is that with the new scheduling format that is no longer true. The magnitude of the difference in schedule is unlike I have seen at half point. That's not a complaint, as UW now has an easier time from now on, but it does affect what you say about comparisons. UW has faced top 10 teams 6 times in 10 matches. PSU has done so 2 times in 10 matches. That makes a difference. Concerning serve receive stats, the reason I looked at HP is because the real impact of strong serve and strong receive is in ability to distribute the ball and run the offense, not in aces scored or given up (Micha aside - in her case the number of aces mattered). The aces are only an indicator. UW has done a pretty good consistent job getting the ball to the middles in the last 5 matches (36% +/- 1%), which suggests a pretty good level of control. That's why they are competing despite struggles at the pins. The problem is that control seems to erode though a match.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 18:28:42 GMT -5
I certainly appreciate you putting this info out there for discussion purposes. However, my experience has shown by the midway point in the season, the stats don't lie about team tendencies. If these were the stats of only the pre-conference matches, I would have not even posted it. The serve-receive game is crucial for Wisconsin to win this one. Normally, I would agree with you about sample size, but my point is that with the new scheduling format that is no longer true. The magnitude of the difference in schedule is unlike I have seen at half point. That's not a complaint, as UW now has an easier time from now on, but it does affect what you say about comparisons. UW has faced top 10 teams 6 times in 10 matches. PSU has done so 2 times in 10 matches. That makes a difference. Concerning serve receive stats, the reason I looked at HP is because the real impact of strong serve and strong receive is in ability to distribute the ball and run the offense, not in aces scored or given up (Micha aside - in her case the number of aces mattered). The aces are only an indicator. UW has done a pretty good consistent job getting the ball to the middles in the last 5 matches (36% +/- 1%), which suggests a pretty good level of control. That's why they are competing despite struggles at the pins. The problem is that control seems to erode though a match. PSU faced then-top 10 teams three times (Stanford twice; Michigan State once).
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Post by gnu2vball on Oct 24, 2017 18:48:06 GMT -5
Come on, Wisconsin! Time for someone to start shaking things up a bit! People say the same thing to Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, .... you get the idea.
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Post by Millennium on Oct 24, 2017 19:07:12 GMT -5
Wow! We are 4 pages in, 51 replies, and we still a full day before the match begins. Gonna be a long thread. exactly 3 PSU posters total have added on this thread. lol Gotta love the Badger faithful!
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Post by badgerbreath on Oct 24, 2017 19:52:43 GMT -5
Normally, I would agree with you about sample size, but my point is that with the new scheduling format that is no longer true. The magnitude of the difference in schedule is unlike I have seen at half point. That's not a complaint, as UW now has an easier time from now on, but it does affect what you say about comparisons. UW has faced top 10 teams 6 times in 10 matches. PSU has done so 2 times in 10 matches. That makes a difference. Concerning serve receive stats, the reason I looked at HP is because the real impact of strong serve and strong receive is in ability to distribute the ball and run the offense, not in aces scored or given up (Micha aside - in her case the number of aces mattered). The aces are only an indicator. UW has done a pretty good consistent job getting the ball to the middles in the last 5 matches (36% +/- 1%), which suggests a pretty good level of control. That's why they are competing despite struggles at the pins. The problem is that control seems to erode though a match. PSU faced then-top 10 teams three times (Stanford twice; Michigan State once). I was referencing the B1G conference season, because those are the stats referenced in the writeup, and in my response. Referencing the full stats would flatter the badgers given how their opposition turned out. I tend to go with current rankings because of larger samples size and because the the further away from the preseason "rankings" the better.
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Post by volleymom999 on Oct 24, 2017 21:33:44 GMT -5
As much as I hate Penn State they are on a roll and will not lose to Wisconsin! Too much firepower from their seniors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 21:35:32 GMT -5
PSU faced then-top 10 teams three times (Stanford twice; Michigan State once). I was referencing the B1G conference season, because those are the stats referenced in the writeup, and in my response. Referencing the full stats would flatter the badgers given how their opposition turned out. I tend to go with current rankings because of larger samples size and because the the further away from the preseason "rankings" the better. If you were going by rankings at the time they played (and excluding Stanford), I think the number would then be one time for Penn State -- MSU was ranked #10. No other Penn State B1G opponent was ranked in the top-10 (Nebraska was ranked #14) when Penn State played them. I tend to agree that looking at current ranking is probably more relevant than "at the time of the match" ranking (though it could be deceptive as to how tough a team was, if they suffered serious injury and played poorly after your match as a result, and dropped in ranking). I don't see the logic in excluding Stanford (beaten twice) when trying to assess Penn State's level of competition. But you're doing the calculations, so you get to make the rules whether I like them or not.
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Post by akbar on Oct 24, 2017 21:40:59 GMT -5
As much as I hate Penn State why hate?
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Post by badgerbill on Oct 25, 2017 7:44:42 GMT -5
Penn State happens to be my second favorite BIG team of course my alma mater and passion is Wisky, but I have never hated Penn State and usually root for them unless they are threatening my Badgers. I have lots of respect for the program and like how they consistently play the game.
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Post by buckybadger8 on Oct 25, 2017 8:06:16 GMT -5
This Michigan fan unfortunately lives closer to Madison than Ann Arbor so will be in attendance for the rematch in Madison. So whatever happens tomorrow night, I hope it makes for an excellent rematch. Maybe I’ll even get to meet you badger crazies in person.. a face to face argument about that waiver incident could be fun Oh boy, someone get it on camera please and post here. I love a good cup of hot Yunnan tea.
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Post by buckybadger8 on Oct 25, 2017 8:06:53 GMT -5
Penn State happens to be my second favorite BIG team of course my alma mater and passion is Wisky, but I have never hated Penn State and usually root for them unless they are threatening my Badgers. I have lots of respect for the program and like how they consistently play the game. We're literally the same person.
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