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Post by buckybadger8 on Nov 20, 2017 11:21:30 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! LOL Sporty it's just an opinion. No trying to silence others' views. You're not the president
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Post by SportyBucky on Nov 20, 2017 11:35:34 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. And you're basing your selection, in part, on the fact that Sameday is shorter? You're coming undone.
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 20, 2017 11:43:40 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! I don't know the proper choice, but saying it's ok for Washington to be POY even though she doesn't play six rotations, but not Rettke as FOY because she doesn't play six rotations is inconsistent logic. If that's the bar, then POY and FOY can't be a middle, no matter how great.
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Post by wiscvball on Nov 20, 2017 12:35:06 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. For B1G awards, only the conference stats matter. Samedy is putting up really good numbers, but not quite the same level as her full year marks (which will matter for All-American consideration). Samedy is averaging 3.78 kps & 2.92 dps in conference. Her hitting % isn't listed on the B1G website (all we know is it's below .317%). Minnesota's athletic site also doesn't separate conference stats out. Rettke is at 3.48 kps & 1.37 bps hitting .433% in conference. She's also tied for 15th in service aces. They are both exceptional players, but in my opinion, Rettke by a hair. Both will likely be first team AA, which is an incredible accomplishment for freshmen.
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Post by bballnut90 on Nov 20, 2017 12:39:07 GMT -5
Rettke and Samedy should be Co-FOY if they were able to split the award. They both should be locks for 1st Team AA IMO, which is pretty remarkable considering how rare it is that freshmen make the team. I'm a Wisconsin fan but can't be upset if it goes to Samedy over Rettke. Both deserve the recognition IMO.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 20, 2017 12:57:40 GMT -5
This is such a fantastic Freshmen class for the B1G as a whole, it's amazing how this conference continues to recruit and retain elite talent year after year. Seniors who probably won't be recognized with an award but have managed to make a huge impact on their squad (whether they came in as FR or as transfers) throughout their career:
Detering Frantti Goehner Rosado Kranda Stahl Gillis Bates Donnelly Keiffer-Wright Lambert Janota Wenz Murray Tashima Hazen
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Post by bruinsgold on Nov 20, 2017 13:34:14 GMT -5
This is such a fantastic Freshmen class for the B1G as a whole, it's amazing how this conference continues to recruit and retain elite talent year after year. Seniors who probably won't be recognized with an award but have managed to make a huge impact on their squad (whether they came in as FR or as transfers) throughout their career: Detering Frantti Goehner Rosado Kranda Stahl Gillis Bates Donnelly Keiffer-Wright Lambert Janota Wenz Murray Tashima Hazen Now this is a great list! I've watched all of these seniors, with the exception of Detering, all of their collegiate careers and their growth has been a great bonus.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 20, 2017 13:43:42 GMT -5
This is such a fantastic Freshmen class for the B1G as a whole, it's amazing how this conference continues to recruit and retain elite talent year after year. Seniors who probably won't be recognized with an award but have managed to make a huge impact on their squad (whether they came in as FR or as transfers) throughout their career: Detering Frantti Goehner Rosado Kranda Stahl Gillis Bates Donnelly Keiffer-Wright Lambert Janota Wenz Murray Tashima Hazen Now this is a great list! I've watched all of these seniors, with the exception of Detering, all of their collegiate careers and their growth has been a great bonus. Some of these women (Frantti, Stahl, Gillis, Lambert) haven’t had quite the consistent paths as others recognized but I think it’s important as fans to respect how difficult the path is and to credit them for giving all they’re capable of for their teams, coaches, fans, etc.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Nov 20, 2017 14:05:01 GMT -5
As a freshman newcomer to the Badger team, Rettke maybe should have dialed her enthusiasm back a bit, and let the seniors on the team and upper classmen take the lead. Illinois' coach, Chris Tamas. What he has done with the Illini is remarkable. The sum of the parts in this Illinois team he inherited, is so much better than the individual parts. And, every returning Illini that gets playing time is demonstrably improved from last season. The difference between last season's team under a different coach, and this season's team under Coach Tamas continues to amaze me. 1) No offense, but it's crazy to say a talented, enthusiastic player should "dial it back" to make her senior teammates feel comfortable. They should (have) dial(ed) it up! Leadership has been what's lacking on the floor for Wisconsin, and that certainly is not Dana Rettke's fault. 2) Chris Tamas? Yes, great job! It's fun to watch Illinois play.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Nov 20, 2017 14:11:48 GMT -5
As a freshman newcomer to the Badger team, Rettke maybe should have dialed her enthusiasm back a bit, and let the seniors on the team and upper classmen take the lead. Illinois' coach, Chris Tamas. What he has done with the Illini is remarkable. The sum of the parts in this Illinois team he inherited, is so much better than the individual parts. And, every returning Illini that gets playing time is demonstrably improved from last season. The difference between last season's team under a different coach, and this season's team under Coach Tamas continues to amaze me. 1) No offense, but it's crazy to say a talented, enthusiastic player should "dial it back" to make her senior teammates feel comfortable. They should (have) dial(ed) it up! Leadership has been what's lacking on the floor for Wisconsin, and that certainly is not Dana Rettke's fault. 2) Chris Tamas? Yes, great job! It's fun to watch Illinois play. ^^^ The idea that Rettke should’ve sat back and “let the upperclassmen” lead is laughably bad. And Illinois fans have no further back than 2015 to know how ridiculous that is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:46:14 GMT -5
Aird probably deserves COY, although Nebraska is really much better than expected.
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Post by urkillinmesmalls on Nov 20, 2017 15:06:02 GMT -5
Aird probably deserves COY, although Nebraska is really much better than expected. Aird getting his team to the NCAA Tournament is a huge improvement and accomplishment, however, with having only 6 wins currently in conference I don't see it happening. Will most likely go to Rose or Cook with both teams having only 1 loss. Cathy George could sneak in and grab it if they end up finishing tied for third. Overall, they've had a pretty solid year. Shondell would be the outsider but possible with two wins this weekend vs the Michigans.
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Post by vawbaw on Nov 20, 2017 15:28:27 GMT -5
It's my personal opinion that Samedy is the better player. She isn't 6'8", plays six rotations, is averaging nearly 3 digs per set, is averaging over 4 kills per set and hitting over .300, passes occasionally (or did), has really nice blocking numbers, and serves well. Rettke might be leading the conference in service errors. Her kill and block numbers are obviously really impressive, but I think Samedy is just the better player. She should've earned more FOW awards during the season than she did. Plus, I think Minnesota is having a much, much better season than Wisconsin is, despite starting younger, less experienced athletes. She plays six rotations BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A MIDDLE. Based solely on numbers, Rettke is first or second team AA. She is the MB that anyone, including PSU, MN, WA, Stanford, TX and FL, would be starting. Hard to see her not being Big FOY. More kills on far fewer attempts. Controls matches and is THE offensive option for this team, single-handedly carrying them through three rotations. Nice try, Shhhh, but SHHHHHHHH! If I had to create a dream team of players from this conference, I would choose Washington and Cuttino over Rettke for middles. I’d take Samedy as my opposite, because there isn’t another RS in the conference who’s better in all six rotations.
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Post by vawbaw on Nov 20, 2017 15:33:55 GMT -5
Let’s put it this way, you Wisconsin fans cringe when Rettke goes to the back row to serve. We don’t have those reactions when Samedy rotates to the back row, because she’s solid there too!
Many people on here complain that the high number of subs in NCAA volleyball results in less all around players and more specialized front or back row players. Stephanie Samedy excels at all of the skills needed to be a successful 6 rotation player and on the court at all times. A FOY award for Samedy would be an affirmation of this sport’s value on the complete 6 rotation player.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:05:58 GMT -5
I really dislike comparing players who play different positions and have different roles. It's like comparing Gentil and Gordon. Seems like all you end up doing is denigrating the contributions of one player to praise the other.
For that matter, POY is a strange award anyhow.
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