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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Dec 6, 2017 1:43:59 GMT -5
How many professional female volleyball players are taller than 6'5? [ To start: Daria Malygina (Russia, 202 cm) Xinyue Yuan (China 201 cm) Thaisa Menezes (Brazil, 196 cm) Irina Zaryazhko (Russia, 196 cm) Jovana Brakočević Canzian (Serbia 196 cm) Ting Zhu (China, 195 cm) Yunli Xu (China, 195 cm) Cristina Chirichella (Italy, 195 cm) Anna Danesi (Italy, 195 cm) Others that come to mind: McMahon, Diouf, Kajalina, Merkulova, Bertone, Martinez, Santiago, Yilmaz, Fresco I guess then we'll disagree on the word "plenty".
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Post by vbsam16 on Dec 6, 2017 1:47:45 GMT -5
This is interesting because when males start to take female hormones their muscles will deteriorate to that of the biological female body. Having the abilities she had before surgery and hormone intake will be difficult. So if she has already completely transitioned, I feel that she has the abilities that her intended female body should have had and it is completely fair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 1:58:03 GMT -5
Tiffany played this past season in Italy 2nd division.
Here`s the full game of her debut, I think she only comes later in the 2nd set, at 1:06:15 you can see her attacking.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 6, 2017 2:09:02 GMT -5
How many professional female volleyball players are taller than 6'5? [ To start: Daria Malygina (Russia, 202 cm) Xinyue Yuan (China 201 cm) Thaisa Menezes (Brazil, 196 cm) Irina Zaryazhko (Russia, 196 cm) Jovana Brakočević Canzian (Serbia 196 cm) Ting Zhu (China, 195 cm) Yunli Xu (China, 195 cm) Cristina Chirichella (Italy, 195 cm) Anna Danesi (Italy, 195 cm) Others that come to mind: McMahon, Diouf, Kajalina, Merkulova, Bertone, Martinez, Santiago, Yilmaz, Fresco obviously their genetic anomalies give them unfair advantages and they should all be banned. yup.
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Post by SuperSpike on Dec 6, 2017 2:49:26 GMT -5
Anyone arguing that there is no advantage is just not being honest. It's not a question of if there is advantage, but to what degree.
Hormone parallel example: Two brothers age 24 get into bodybuilding. Same regiment but one does HGH (human growth hormone) and anabolic steroids/T (testosterone boosts). One will get significantly bigger.
Even if doping brother only cycles, and stops eventually, he SHOULD not be in competition with non-doping brother. He had a hornone advantage over time. This is why we have natural bodybuilding be it's own entity.
I'm reluctant to post this on here but yeah you can cheat with hormones and not get caught. You can boost what your body makes naturally and stop it at a later point and it's not some alien substance that's in you to always be detected. (Obviously huge health concerns can come with some of this)
For us to have a strong level of dialogue we'd need all information to be clearly presented: Where are this athletes hormone levels exactly? Relative to other competitors? Where is their strength level at exactly? Relative to other competitors? Is information presented in a forthright manner or kept a lid on?
There are of course *some* advantages regardless but i'm ok with that if it's shown clearly that physically they are not coming in as being in the 99th percentile for str/power/hormones. The question would maybe be where are they allowed to be relative to competitors with hormones. I feel like 50th percentile would be 'fair'. That's the direction my mind goes. I'm ignoring bone density/frame/height because I think hormones and strength are the main thing.
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Post by lo4um on Dec 6, 2017 8:01:25 GMT -5
Pretty soon there will be no need for that 5’11” setter when you can get someone who is a man and built like a man but calls them self a woman.
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Post by buckybadger8 on Dec 6, 2017 8:06:39 GMT -5
Pretty soon there will be no need for that 5’11” setter when you can get someone who is a man and built like a man but calls them self a woman. Pretty ignorant comment but I'm glad to know where you stand on the subject.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2017 10:20:11 GMT -5
It’s a clear advantage. Anyone that disagrees go look at UFC’s Fallon Fox. I think he/she has broken 2 women’s jaws already. 2 other women refused to fight him/her and were criticized by the left for being homophobic. Not wanting to risk your life for a social experiment is not homophobic. Joe Rogan was almost removed from UFC events for calling Fox a man. I know volleyball is not as physical as UFC but there is a clear advantage. In the photo his/her entire torso is above the net. Obviously players like Hooker and Inky have hops like that but they were also born female. Honestly in a way in anti women’s athletics.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2017 10:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by oldman on Dec 6, 2017 10:27:30 GMT -5
This is interesting because when males start to take female hormones their muscles will deteriorate to that of the biological female body. umm not sure about that.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 10:45:57 GMT -5
Pretty soon there will be no need for that 5’11” setter when you can get someone who is a man and built like a man but calls them self a woman. Quite an ignorant post.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 10:47:11 GMT -5
This is interesting because when males start to take female hormones their muscles will deteriorate to that of the biological female body. Having the abilities she had before surgery and hormone intake will be difficult. So if she has already completely transitioned, I feel that she has the abilities that her intended female body should have had and it is completely fair. Yes. This agrees with the science behind the issue.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 6, 2017 10:48:31 GMT -5
It’s a clear advantage. Anyone that disagrees go look at UFC’s Fallon Fox. I think he/she has broken 2 women’s jaws already. 2 other women refused to fight him/her and were criticized by the left for being homophobic. Not wanting to risk your life for a social experiment is not homophobic. Joe Rogan was almost removed from UFC events for calling Fox a man. I know volleyball is not as physical as UFC but there is a clear advantage. In the photo his/her entire torso is above the net. Obviously players like Hooker and Inky have hops like that but they were also born female. Honestly in a way in anti women’s athletics. Tiffany should be referred to as “her”. It isn’t that hard. She is legally a woman.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2017 11:07:28 GMT -5
This is interesting because when males start to take female hormones their muscles will deteriorate to that of the biological female body. Having the abilities she had before surgery and hormone intake will be difficult. So if she has already completely transitioned, I feel that she has the abilities that her intended female body should have had and it is completely fair. Yes. This agrees with the science behind the issue. Love how both sides like to use the word “science” when it’s convenient...
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 6, 2017 11:09:38 GMT -5
“Science” would also give her an X and a Y chromosome making her a male.
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