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Post by ilalum92 on Dec 18, 2017 20:36:31 GMT -5
i bet Van Dyke signs with Michigan St but has to sit out a year. Because Cathy George does favors for Rick Butler...like Maddie Haggerty🤔 Hey now, I don't think that's an appropriate comment.
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Post by ilalum92 on Dec 18, 2017 20:40:12 GMT -5
I hate this rationale and it always comes up around transfers. If you worked at a company where your presence wasn't appreciated/needed, wouldn't you leave for another job? If you were at a school where your major's department, syllabus, curriculum and values didn't align with your goals, wouldn't you leave? It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting a participation trophy so much as it is wanting to actually participate on court. It's a win win most of the time considering the player gets to contribute to a program that wants them and the previous team has a new spot open up. Everyone needs to stop hating on millenials so much and bringing up the participation trophy thing. I agree. And if we’re gonna blame anyone for participation trophies, how about the parents who insisted on handing them out? When I didn't win a starting spot or award or whatever, my parents’ response basically boiled down to “work harder next time and you’ll earn it.” They taught me how to manage my disappointment and channel it into drive to reach my goals. They taught me to get up and grind another day. Show me a young adult who needs a participation trophy and I’ll show you a shortsighted parent who was so preoccupied with making sure their child never had a moment’s disappointment or unhappiness that they forgot to teach them how to be a functioning, independent adult in a world that doesn’t care about their feelings. I agree with you 100% . The kids are spoiled and coddled by parents. They don't know any better and don't have the life skills to deal with dissapointment or not getting their way. My parents were the same way as yours. When I lost my starting spot my parents said get your butt in the gym and work harder to get it back. Not let's change schools .
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Post by superfan1 on Dec 18, 2017 21:08:21 GMT -5
I hate this rationale and it always comes up around transfers. If you worked at a company where your presence wasn't appreciated/needed, wouldn't you leave for another job? If you were at a school where your major's department, syllabus, curriculum and values didn't align with your goals, wouldn't you leave? It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting a participation trophy so much as it is wanting to actually participate on court. It's a win win most of the time considering the player gets to contribute to a program that wants them and the previous team has a new spot open up. Everyone needs to stop hating on millenials so much and bringing up the participation trophy thing. Sorry but recruits know the team they are being recruited too. They know who is ahead of them and who is coming in with them. They arrive at the school with eyes wide open. Just your comment on being appreciated is exactly what I am talkin about. That's a millennial problem. Given what she did at Sports Performance and living with Butler I'm sure he had something to do with it. I will say Coach Hambly has gone on record saying he never promises recruits playing time. If you don't start work your ass off and earn it. Not I'm Not appreciated so I'm transferring. I think the myth of "work hard and you can achieve anything" is too overhyped in the USA. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that not every student athlete is cut out to be a starter at a specific program. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that neither the coach nor the athlete foresaw which results in them not getting playing time. I don't get why if you've given it your best shot, but still weren't successful in earning playing time is seen as a negative thing. If you've worked your ass off and you still aren't getting any time, what is the issue with transferring to a program where you can make a positive impact? Sometimes you think hey I'll be able to earn playing time, but then a player who is more physically gifted comes into the program essentially rendering your court time to nothing. From the majority transfer stories that are shared, it doesn't seem like there's any animosity between the transfer athlete and their previous team. "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results". Why do we expect that these athletes should continue putting their heart and soul into getting on to the court if it's 100% not going to happen? You only get five years to play college volleyball, for a lot of athletes, PLAYING is the dream so they move on to another school where they can play.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 18, 2017 21:26:33 GMT -5
I agree. And if we’re gonna blame anyone for participation trophies, how about the parents who insisted on handing them out? When I didn't win a starting spot or award or whatever, my parents’ response basically boiled down to “work harder next time and you’ll earn it.” They taught me how to manage my disappointment and channel it into drive to reach my goals. They taught me to get up and grind another day. Show me a young adult who needs a participation trophy and I’ll show you a shortsighted parent who was so preoccupied with making sure their child never had a moment’s disappointment or unhappiness that they forgot to teach them how to be a functioning, independent adult in a world that doesn’t care about their feelings. I agree with you 100% . The kids are spoiled and coddled by parents. They don't know any better and don't have the life skills to deal with dissapointment or not getting their way. I was the same way. When I lost my starting spot my parents get your butt in the gym and work harder to get it back. Not let's change schools . I disagree with your conclusion. Take a kid who is way overmatched at their top 25 school and will never see the court, but could start at a lower level school. Why shouldn’t they transfer to a school that can benefit from them being there playing, and free up a scholarship at the school they’re leaving for a higher level player who will at a minimum push the B team? Adults leave their jobs all the time for reasons of fit. I don’t think a kid seeking a transfer is seeking a participation trophy. This is college. You’re supposed to have fun, too.
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Post by BeiBei on Dec 18, 2017 21:27:53 GMT -5
Sorry but recruits know the team they are being recruited too. They know who is ahead of them and who is coming in with them. They arrive at the school with eyes wide open. Just your comment on being appreciated is exactly what I am talkin about. That's a millennial problem. Given what she did at Sports Performance and living with Butler I'm sure he had something to do with it. I will say Coach Hambly has gone on record saying he never promises recruits playing time. If you don't start work your ass off and earn it. Not I'm Not appreciated so I'm transferring. I think the myth of "work hard and you can achieve anything" is too overhyped in the USA. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that not every student athlete is cut out to be a starter at a specific program. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that neither the coach nor the athlete foresaw which results in them not getting playing time. I don't get why if you've given it your best shot, but still weren't successful in earning playing time is seen as a negative thing. If you've worked your ass off and you still aren't getting any time, what is the issue with transferring to a program where you can make a positive impact? Sometimes you think hey I'll be able to earn playing time, but then a player who is more physically gifted comes into the program essentially rendering your court time to nothing. From the majority transfer stories that are shared, it doesn't seem like there's any animosity between the transfer athlete and their previous team. "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results". Why do we expect that these athletes should continue putting their heart and soul into getting on to the court if it's 100% not going to happen? You only get five years to play college volleyball, for a lot of athletes, PLAYING is the dream so they move on to another school where they can play. someone decides to transfer and another person just came in riding his high horse and assumed that the player is lazy, entitled and selfish. Maybe the player did work as hard as she possibly could but still cannot earn a starting spot at the pins. Perseverance does not equal worthiness. There can only be six players on the court. Every player only has four or five years to play and there is nothing wrong with wanting court time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:47:33 GMT -5
I think the myth of "work hard and you can achieve anything" is too overhyped in the USA. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that not every student athlete is cut out to be a starter at a specific program. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that neither the coach nor the athlete foresaw which results in them not getting playing time. I don't get why if you've given it your best shot, but still weren't successful in earning playing time is seen as a negative thing. If you've worked your ass off and you still aren't getting any time, what is the issue with transferring to a program where you can make a positive impact? Sometimes you think hey I'll be able to earn playing time, but then a player who is more physically gifted comes into the program essentially rendering your court time to nothing. From the majority transfer stories that are shared, it doesn't seem like there's any animosity between the transfer athlete and their previous team. "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results". Why do we expect that these athletes should continue putting their heart and soul into getting on to the court if it's 100% not going to happen? You only get five years to play college volleyball, for a lot of athletes, PLAYING is the dream so they move on to another school where they can play. someone decides to transfer and another person just came in riding his high horse and assumed that the player is lazy, entitled and selfish. Maybe the player did work as hard as she possibly could but still cannot earn a starting spot at the pins. Perseverance does not equal worthiness. There can only be six players on the court. Every player only has four or five years to play and there is nothing wrong with wanting court time If you’ll permit me to build on your response. Would you rather have a coach string you along and quip that your time will come or get a blessing to transfer where you think you can make an impact? Maybe she goes to Indiana? I mean she’s from there and they can use the help. Maybe she goes to a different conference like Korte and has an immediate impact. If anything this speaks to the type of coach Tamas is and the program he wants to run. I hated to see Korte on the sidelines because I knew she just wasn’t a good fit for the B1G. I’m happy for her that she found a program where she could get PT and showcase her skills. She always seemed like a nice kid. I’ve seen a lot of athletes find happiness in playing a role besides one as a starter. I’ve also seen what unhappy role players can do to a locker room. I wish her the best.
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Post by ilalum92 on Dec 18, 2017 22:05:00 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% . The kids are spoiled and coddled by parents. They don't know any better and don't have the life skills to deal with dissapointment or not getting their way. I was the same way. When I lost my starting spot my parents get your butt in the gym and work harder to get it back. Not let's change schools . I disagree with your conclusion. Take a kid who is way overmatched at their top 25 school and will never see the court, but could start at a lower level school. Why shouldn’t they transfer to a school that can benefit from them being there playing, and free up a scholarship at the school they’re leaving for a higher level player who will at a minimum push the B team? Adults leave their jobs all the time for reasons of fit. I don’t think a kid seeking a transfer is seeking a participation trophy. This is college. You’re supposed to have fun, too. I agree with you about a kid being overmatched at a top 25 school. Korte was a perfect example. I think Hambly sold her a bill of goods when she had no chance in the BIG 10. Good for her going to Clemson where she starts and is the big gun on her team. I think the Van Dyke situation is a different story. She came in with shoulder surgery her Jr year of HS and a broken wrist her Sr year of HS. I think she could have challenged for a starting spot next year. I think there is more to this situation than meets the eye.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 18, 2017 22:26:07 GMT -5
I disagree with your conclusion. Take a kid who is way overmatched at their top 25 school and will never see the court, but could start at a lower level school. Why shouldn’t they transfer to a school that can benefit from them being there playing, and free up a scholarship at the school they’re leaving for a higher level player who will at a minimum push the B team? Adults leave their jobs all the time for reasons of fit. I don’t think a kid seeking a transfer is seeking a participation trophy. This is college. You’re supposed to have fun, too. I agree with you about a kid being overmatched at a top 25 school.  Korte was a perfect example. I think Hambly sold her a bill of goods when she had no chance in the BIG 10.  Good for her going to Clemson where she starts and is the big gun on her team. I think the Van Dyke situation is a different story. She came in with shoulder surgery her Jr year of HS and a broken wrist her Sr year of HS. I think she could have challenged for a starting spot next year.  I think there is more to this situation than meets the eye. IDK. We had Hannah Juley a couple of years ago who missed her entire junior year of HS with a Lisfranc fracture (foot) and then got concussed and had other various injuries during her freshman year at WI, when she was supposed to be redshirting for development. She fell way behind in her development and chose to transfer because she wanted to go somewhere where she could play. She wasn’t happy at Wisconsin. I don’t hold that against her. How do you know Van Dyke could challenge for a starting spot? How do you know she didn’t fall behind in her development with those injuries? What makes you think she was happy at Illinois? There’s no reason for a kid to stay if they’re not gonna be happy. It’ll just hurt the team in the long run. Let them go elsewhere and free the scholarship for someone who wants to be at your school.
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Post by alt on Dec 18, 2017 22:50:41 GMT -5
I agree with you about a kid being overmatched at a top 25 school. Korte was a perfect example. I think Hambly sold her a bill of goods when she had no chance in the BIG 10. Good for her going to Clemson where she starts and is the big gun on her team. I think the Van Dyke situation is a different story. She came in with shoulder surgery her Jr year of HS and a broken wrist her Sr year of HS. I think she could have challenged for a starting spot next year. I think there is more to this situation than meets the eye. IDK. We had Hannah Juley a couple of years ago who missed her entire junior year of HS with a Lisfranc fracture (foot) and then got concussed and had other various injuries during her freshman year at WI, when she was supposed to be redshirting for development. She fell way behind in her development and chose to transfer because she wanted to go somewhere where she could play. She wasn’t happy at Wisconsin. I don’t hold that against her. How do you know Van Dyke could challenge for a starting spot? How do you know she didn’t fall behind in her development with those injuries? What makes you think she was happy at Illinois? There’s no reason for a kid to stay if they’re not gonna be happy. It’ll just hurt the team in the long run. Let them go elsewhere and free the scholarship for someone who wants to be at your school. I personally did not see VanDyke get much playing time in the future for the Illini. She IMO feel behind and I've watched Sports performance matches of hers and they honestly inserted her just to say they have six players on the court. She was barely set. I dont see her doing big thins in the B1G so I wouldnt be surprised if she went ACC. Beth Prince also fell behind and I think is still behind in where she should be.
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Post by alt on Dec 18, 2017 22:52:09 GMT -5
I see this as a positive for the lllini. Come on we are one terminal OH from being a mediocre team to a team that can compete for the nation championship. I'm excited for Tamas to pick out players that he will think that will help this program.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 19, 2017 9:27:03 GMT -5
I disagree with your conclusion. Take a kid who is way overmatched at their top 25 school and will never see the court, but could start at a lower level school. Why shouldn’t they transfer to a school that can benefit from them being there playing, and free up a scholarship at the school they’re leaving for a higher level player who will at a minimum push the B team? Adults leave their jobs all the time for reasons of fit. I don’t think a kid seeking a transfer is seeking a participation trophy. This is college. You’re supposed to have fun, too. I agree with you about a kid being overmatched at a top 25 school.  Korte was a perfect example. I think Hambly sold her a bill of goods when she had no chance in the BIG 10.  Good for her going to Clemson where she starts and is the big gun on her team. I think the Van Dyke situation is a different story. She came in with shoulder surgery her Jr year of HS and a broken wrist her Sr year of HS. I think she could have challenged for a starting spot next year.  I think there is more to this situation than meets the eye. That is stupid. You’re maligning a kid over some fictional “situation” you admittedly don’t even know. Rude, uncalled for, and hypocritical.
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Post by oldmanvb on Dec 19, 2017 20:27:02 GMT -5
None of us will ever know if she was "overmatched" at a BIG school. She looked up and saw two starting left side hitters who were only a class ahead of her. If she wants to play sooner rather than later and thinks that there is another school where she will have a better opportunity to play, more power to her. Korte was second team ACC last year after finding herself buried behind other young hitters. Sometimes good players who aren't playing simply need a change of scenery. That is not anyone's fault and no one should be criticized for it. Hopefully she succeeds wherever she decides she wants to go.
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Post by oldmanvb on Dec 27, 2017 20:08:31 GMT -5
Someone suggested on the transfer thread that Payton Caffrey, who has announced she is transferring from WVU, would be a good fit at Illinois to solve our perceived problem on the left side. Payton Caffrey had 449 kills on 1129 swings, with 194 errors, to hit .226. Beth Prince had 376 kills on 1058 swings with 150 errors, to hit .214. The difference, which to me is small, might be explained by the difference in competition rather than the difference in players. If we are going to go after a transfer she should be significantly better than the players we have on our roster, not just marginally or not at all better. It was obvious that we had good chemistry last year, and I would not want to jeopardize the way our players got along with each other unless she will be a big difference maker.
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Post by Pasquale on Dec 27, 2017 22:13:27 GMT -5
I have faith in Quade, Prince and Deberg (and Tamas). All three will be stronger and better in 2018.
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Post by lo4um on Dec 27, 2017 22:15:00 GMT -5
I have faith in Quade, Prince and Deberg (and Tamas). All three will be stronger and better in 2018. & Cooney?
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