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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 21, 2018 8:42:11 GMT -5
That does seem to be what people are implying.
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Post by fatality on Mar 21, 2018 9:24:06 GMT -5
so... remaining talent in the 2020 class. These are sophomores currently, correct? Is it possible that there are great players that are just now learning the game? Are we implying that the best 2020's are all committed and that there aren't any decent players left? I would be interested in the numbers of recruits who commit before sophomore year and after sophomore year and how they perform in college (one could even break it down by year 8,9,10,11,12). Now, performance would need some sort of standard. Being on an All American team would certainly warrant a successful recruit, but there has to be other standards as well that would justify a "great player." However for simplicity sake, I think being on an All American team would be a good start. Does anyone have a list of when players committed? I know I do not have those resources. But I think we could look at past results to get an idea if players who commit early perform better than those who commit late.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Mar 21, 2018 11:50:55 GMT -5
so... remaining talent in the 2020 class. These are sophomores currently, correct? Is it possible that there are great players that are just now learning the game? Are we implying that the best 2020's are all committed and that there aren't any decent players left? I would be interested in the numbers of recruits who commit before sophomore year and after sophomore year and how they perform in college (one could even break it down by year 8,9,10,11,12). Now, performance would need some sort of standard. Being on an All American team would certainly warrant a successful recruit, but there has to be other standards as well that would justify a "great player." However for simplicity sake, I think being on an All American team would be a good start. Does anyone have a list of when players committed? I know I do not have those resources. But I think we could look at past results to get an idea if players who commit early perform better than those who commit late. You could break it down into players who received All-American honors (actual All-American honors and not honorable mention) and the second tier could include All-Conference players.
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 21, 2018 11:52:58 GMT -5
so... remaining talent in the 2020 class. These are sophomores currently, correct? Is it possible that there are great players that are just now learning the game? Are we implying that the best 2020's are all committed and that there aren't any decent players left? I would be interested in the numbers of recruits who commit before sophomore year and after sophomore year and how they perform in college (one could even break it down by year 8,9,10,11,12). Now, performance would need some sort of standard. Being on an All American team would certainly warrant a successful recruit, but there has to be other standards as well that would justify a "great player." However for simplicity sake, I think being on an All American team would be a good start. Does anyone have a list of when players committed? I know I do not have those resources. But I think we could look at past results to get an idea if players who commit early perform better than those who commit late. rich kern lists when players commit.
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Post by Dash22 on Mar 21, 2018 13:37:33 GMT -5
so... remaining talent in the 2020 class. These are sophomores currently, correct? Is it possible that there are great players that are just now learning the game? Are we implying that the best 2020's are all committed and that there aren't any decent players left? Of course there are late bloomers out there but the better players that are visible to the coaches are mostly committed already. This is very late in the recruiting game right now regarding the 2020 class. These players are close to completing their sophomore year of school. They’re not too far off from their junior year right now.
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Post by jcvball22 on Mar 21, 2018 13:44:04 GMT -5
so... remaining talent in the 2020 class. These are sophomores currently, correct? Is it possible that there are great players that are just now learning the game? Are we implying that the best 2020's are all committed and that there aren't any decent players left? Of course there are late bloomers out there but the better players that are visible to the coaches are mostly committed already. This is very late in the recruiting game right now regarding the 2020 class. These players are close to completing their sophomore year of school. They’re not too far off from their junior year right now. Right now, there are 129 listed commits in the class of 2020, and a lot of those to lower and mid-tier programs. I would be willing to bet that a large number of really good athletes and commits will choose their colleges after sophomore year. There will be no shortage of available high end talent still out there for this class.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 14:04:16 GMT -5
saying its very late for 2020's is just wrong. Maybe for minnesota who is offering kids before they are potty trained. For the majority of schools out there 2020 is just getting going. if there are 129 commitments and there are almost 350 division 1 school, which probably offer 3-5 roster positions each year then there is 10% or less of recruiting done
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Post by Dash22 on Mar 21, 2018 14:14:10 GMT -5
saying its very late for 2020's is just wrong. Maybe for minnesota who is offering kids before they are potty trained. For the majority of schools out there 2020 is just getting going. if there are 129 commitments and there are almost 350 division 1 school, which probably offer 3-5 roster positions each year then there is 10% or less of recruiting done Just getting going? NOPE! I responded to someone who was asking about the best players. You’re way off base if you believe schools are just getting going. That’s just not true this late in the recruiting game. Of course there are good ones out there and those players have their lists greatly whittled down in regards to whom they’re interested in. If a school is starting right now as you say, they’re late to the party.
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Post by volleylbc on Mar 21, 2018 14:36:30 GMT -5
saying its very late for 2020's is just wrong. Maybe for minnesota who is offering kids before they are potty trained. For the majority of schools out there 2020 is just getting going. if there are 129 commitments and there are almost 350 division 1 school, which probably offer 3-5 roster positions each year then there is 10% or less of recruiting done Just getting going? NOPE! I responded to someone who was asking about the best players. You’re way off base if you believe schools are just getting going. That’s just not true this late in the recruiting game. Of course there are good ones out there and those players have their lists greatly whittled down in regards to whom they’re interested in. If a school is starting right now as you say, they’re late to the party. I would have to agree with Dash 100%
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Post by fatality on Mar 21, 2018 14:38:58 GMT -5
Recruiting and committing are different things. I think all the top players are getting recruited right now, but many of them are waiting to officially commit.
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Post by volleylbc on Mar 21, 2018 14:41:15 GMT -5
Recruiting and committing are different things. I think all the top players are getting recruited right now, but many of them are waiting to officially commit. And there it is, great point. I was in the middle of editing my post to say something along those lines but you beat me to it. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 14:46:59 GMT -5
When you're recruiting 13, 14, 15 year olds, you're looking for one thing: physicality. The skills obviously won't all be there that early. There are a lot of kids that clearly project with potential early because of their build, length, height, coordination, etc. There are others that experience those physical developments and growth later in their prep career. There are lots of examples of diamonds and duds in both categories.
I always use the eldest two Haggerties for this example. As high schoolers, they were so dominant because they were so physically mature for their ages and compared to the other kids in their classes, so everyone was recruiting the hell out of them when they were young. Then, the rest of their class starts to catch up physically, and all of a sudden, the Haggerties aren't as dominant anymore. Still good players, but hardly the game-changers they were expected to be. If you followed Meghan's career at Nebraska or Maddie's career everywhere, you can see that. They just never got better after their 16s years.
Just because one kid was recruited as a freshman doesn't mean that a physically-similar senior athlete won't be valuable or recruitable.
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Post by Reach on Mar 21, 2018 14:51:50 GMT -5
When you're recruiting 13, 14, 15 year olds, you're looking for one thing: physicality. The skills obviously won't all be there that early. There are a lot of kids that clearly project with potential early because of their build, length, height, coordination, etc. There are others that experience those physical developments and growth later in their prep career. There are lots of examples of diamonds and duds in both categories. I always use the eldest two Haggerties for this example. As high schoolers, they were so dominant because they were so physically mature for their ages and compared to the other kids in their classes, so everyone was recruiting the hell out of them when they were young. Then, the rest of their class starts to catch up physically, and all of a sudden, the Haggerties aren't as dominant anymore. Still good players, but hardly the game-changers they were expected to be. If you followed Meghan's career at Nebraska or Maddie's career everywhere, you can see that. They just never got better after their 16s years. Just because one kid was recruited as a freshman doesn't mean that a physically-similar senior athlete won't be valuable or recruitable. In fairness to Maddie... she's been injured forever. We don't know how she will perform a MSU. Meghan was also injury prone, still really good for college, but yea just didn't have much more to go. She says she became a really good blocker while at NU from her club days.
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 21, 2018 15:17:51 GMT -5
Rich does a great job, but his list of commits is not comprehensive (and I don’t believe he claims that it is, either). If people don’t tell him about them, they don’t get posted (same with Prep). There are plenty of commits noted on club teams’ sites that haven’t been forwarded to either RK or JT - doesn’t mean they aren’t real commits.
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Post by vbshrink on Mar 21, 2018 16:19:52 GMT -5
And also per Rich Kern, SEC = 20, and that does not include at least one commit that happened at least 6 months ago and is not listed on either PV or RK. Interestingly, most of the listed commits on RK are from about three SEC schools - Florida has 5 2020s listed, TAMU/KY 3, Alabama/TN 2, and Ark/Aub/LSU/OM/MSU all have 1. Nothing from UGA or SC. And of course, we all expect that Mizzou won’t bother to recruit and will just stockpile transfers each year. (I kid, I kid.) (Mostly.)
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