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2018 AAUs
Jun 28, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jun 28, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5
Is that the first match Munciana lost in a bracket play all year? Has to suck not having Miller with them
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 28, 2018 11:07:00 GMT -5
... just because Muncie and SPRI are really good doesn't mean the field at AAUs is comparable. you could throw Munciana, SPRI, KiVA, K2, and LexUnited into USAV field on a yearly basis and those clubs could compete just as well as anyone else. That’s about as deep as the AAU field goes with teams that only compete JVA events. The field gets help from clubs that do both. But overall you can’t argue USAV field isn’t tougher. I just don’t think it’s fair for people to try to say these teams can’t compete against GJNC clubs Nobody said SPVB and Muncie can't compete against those teams.
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Post by n00b on Jun 28, 2018 11:07:42 GMT -5
... just because Muncie and SPRI are really good doesn't mean the field at AAUs is comparable. you could throw Munciana, SPRI, KiVA, K2, and LexUnited into USAV field on a yearly basis and those clubs could compete just as well as anyone else. That’s about as deep as the AAU field goes with teams that only compete JVA events. The field gets help from clubs that do both. But overall you can’t argue USAV field isn’t tougher. I just don’t think it’s fair for people to try to say these teams can’t compete against GJNC clubs I think Triple Crown might've even been tougher than GJNC.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 28, 2018 11:07:57 GMT -5
... just because Muncie and SPRI are really good doesn't mean the field at AAUs is comparable. I would agree.. but those two teams would be at the top anywhere they played. Not every year. And they'd have to play tough teams all tournament long as opposed to just a couple competitive matches, and they would get upset from time to time. As it stands now, they've got a pretty good setup to keep racking up those medals.
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2018 AAUs
Jun 28, 2018 11:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Jun 28, 2018 11:11:42 GMT -5
you could throw Munciana, SPRI, KiVA, K2, and LexUnited into USAV field on a yearly basis and those clubs could compete just as well as anyone else. That’s about as deep as the AAU field goes with teams that only compete JVA events. The field gets help from clubs that do both. But overall you can’t argue USAV field isn’t tougher. I just don’t think it’s fair for people to try to say these teams can’t compete against GJNC clubs Nobody said SPVB and Muncie can't compete against those teams. it is come up in years past so just continuing to reinforce it
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Post by BuckysHeat on Jun 28, 2018 11:14:20 GMT -5
Considering OT finished 9th at USAV and is in place to finish 9th at AAU while Circle City finished 5th (#5-8) at USAV and will finish 11th it seems the top 12 teams are fairly similar.
Team Indy did finish 26th at USAV and will be third at AAU.
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Post by Reach on Jun 28, 2018 11:15:24 GMT -5
SPVB did fine when they played USAV back in the day. No one needs to defend their resume.
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Post by n00b on Jun 28, 2018 11:15:47 GMT -5
Take away all of the Butler stuff and you have to give kudos to the players from Sports Performance. There were a LOT of distractions around that club all year and that 18 Open crown was the club's 5th National Championship this year. Plus, they're still alive in the gold bracket for four more. Good for those kids.
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2018 AAUs
Jun 28, 2018 11:21:24 GMT -5
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Post by redcard on Jun 28, 2018 11:21:24 GMT -5
Is that the first match Munciana lost in a bracket play all year? Has to suck not having Miller with them they lost to SPRI in round 3 in pool play this week. Other than that I believe the only time they have lost was vs Kiva 17-1s in league play. Millers absence was noticeable especially in the back row.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 28, 2018 11:27:58 GMT -5
Considering OT finished 9th at USAV and is in place to finish 9th at AAU while Circle City finished 5th (#5-8) at USAV and will finish 11th it seems the top 12 teams are fairly similar. Team Indy did finish 26th at USAV and will be third at AAU. Except Circle City and OT both didn't bring full rosters to AAUs. How many teams besides SPRI did? WVBA could barely win matches in Open qualifiers and didn't have any D1 players on their roster, added 2 Oregon St. commits and a USC walk-on for AAUs and finished 7th.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jun 28, 2018 11:32:41 GMT -5
SPVB did fine when they played USAV back in the day. No one needs to defend their resume. I agree with you and Bucky. No one has to defends the resumes for SPRI, Munci or Kiva. However, Arguing where they would finish in Nationals from either side of the argument is like arguing singles versus doubles in tennis. The organizations and clubs do things so differently that in the end it’s a totally different game. 1) no qualifying so peak performance mandates are different 2) roster manipulation is different in both rule and practice 3) In practice SP & Munci load 18’s and don’t play 17’s. 4) it’s hard to argue SPRI and Munci wouldn’t be in mix for medals at USAVs but also hard to argue which tournament is deeper. 5) most years the comparison of where the dual teams finished is mixed because of many factors like playing 2 four day tournies is a 10-14 day period pre early 18 USAV season. Now the USAV teams suffer major defections until AAU’s. Last year a4 & TAV did better at USAV but A5 & NLs did better at AAU. NL didn’t even qualify Open at USAV and came in 5th at AAU. But again the teams weren’t the same by then. 6) this year’s AAU 18’s was a depressingly weak tourney as far as depth of field. Part of that was this early 18 season end momentum and some was it’s just an overall age group that lacks depth IMHO. Congrats to Munci & SRPI!!! But these arguements about superiority from both sides are silly. I used to partake and I have my opinion based on depth but arguing about the top teams is Federer V. Bryant Brothers.
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2018 AAUs
Jun 28, 2018 11:42:31 GMT -5
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jun 28, 2018 11:42:31 GMT -5
Considering OT finished 9th at USAV and is in place to finish 9th at AAU while Circle City finished 5th (#5-8) at USAV and will finish 11th it seems the top 12 teams are fairly similar. Team Indy did finish 26th at USAV and will be third at AAU. Except Circle City and OT both didn't bring full rosters to AAUs. How many teams besides SPRI did? WVBA could barely win matches in Open qualifiers and didn't have any D1 players on their roster, added 2 Oregon St. commits and a USC walk-on for AAUs and finished 7th. It’s almost no USAV teams doing AAUs. Just last year there was double digit in Open. Soon there will be none and like you said, the rosters are very depleted. And SRPI and Munci not only have full rosters but they have their best 17 year olds. It’s not a fair comparison, but should not take away from SRPI and Munci accomplishments. It’s just silly to make comparisons back to USAV Nationals Tornament.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 28, 2018 12:13:35 GMT -5
Except Circle City and OT both didn't bring full rosters to AAUs. How many teams besides SPRI did? WVBA could barely win matches in Open qualifiers and didn't have any D1 players on their roster, added 2 Oregon St. commits and a USC walk-on for AAUs and finished 7th. It’s almost no USAV teams doing AAUs. Just last year there was double digit in Open. Soon there will be none and like you said, the rosters are very depleted. And SRPI and Munci not only have full rosters but they have their best 17 year olds. It’s not a fair comparison, but should not take away from SRPI and Munci accomplishments. It’s just silly to make comparisons back to USAV Nationals Tornament. Is that just 18's or across the board?
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2018 AAUs
Jun 28, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jun 28, 2018 12:43:55 GMT -5
It’s almost no USAV teams doing AAUs. Just last year there was double digit in Open. Soon there will be none and like you said, the rosters are very depleted. And SRPI and Munci not only have full rosters but they have their best 17 year olds. It’s not a fair comparison, but should not take away from SRPI and Munci accomplishments. It’s just silly to make comparisons back to USAV Nationals Tornament. Is that just 18's or across the board? My unsophisticated opinion is it is just for 18’s Lots of great things about the AAU tournament that still apply to the other age groups! 18’s is dying. My guess is that additional attrition there is inevitable. It has the feel of an exhibition by some great teams against the Washington Generals.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 28, 2018 12:54:43 GMT -5
Is that just 18's or across the board? My unsophisticated opinion is it is just for 18’s Lots of great things about the AAU tournament that still apply to the other age groups! 18’s is dying. My guess is that additional attrition there is inevitable. It has the feel of an exhibition by some great teams against the Washington Generals. I didn't think that the move of the USAV 18's to an earlier time would affect AAUs that much. Interesting. I am sure they are trying to figure that out.
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