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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:36:40 GMT -5
Or I was making a joke. Which I was. I know, because ... I'm me. Thanks for the past feelings. I hope they are not completely gone. Seriously. I just have a real problem with this Karch business. Then let's work past them. Please point me toward the exact posts that bothered you. I will admit that I was over-the-top, if I was, or I'll try to explain my positions further. However, at some point, you will have to respect that it is my personal feeling that he's just not a great coach and that I'm not a fan of his philosophies, his systems, his management, or his choices. I've respected your contrary position. I accept that. I'll let you know if something bugs me in the future -- like "Karch Jr.". It's not worth the rehash. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what you have against Shaffmaster. * *It's a joke!
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:39:09 GMT -5
Have you seen yourself in a mirror? Seriously? Do you not know how you are perceived by others? Respect contrary opinions? You have shown none of that here. the irony Hey, it's pot calling the kettle black. I admit I have faults and I have made mistakes. But what about the Karch haters? Especially Shhhhhhhh/duncaroo/volleyguy? Have they EVER admitted to making a mistake, despite being called out mutiple times?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:40:09 GMT -5
By the way, I'd like to go on record that being a moderator does NOT make you a better person. It makes you a miserable excuse for a human being, eventually.
I am still recovering.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:43:22 GMT -5
volleyguy isn't a Karch hater, I don't think. He just doesn't respect him much as a coach.
Some people on here really do not like the guy, as a person. They think he's nothing but ego and vindictiveness. I can't name names. I haven't been keeping track. But they exist.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:43:32 GMT -5
By the way, I'd like to go on record that being a moderator does NOT make you a better person. It makes you a miserable excuse for a human being, eventually. I am still recovering. It's the job that someone must do but nobody wants to do. Like sewage worker or toilet cleaner or...well, you get the idea. Of course, being a moderator you don't have deal with sewage of the real kind but the figurative kind.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:45:10 GMT -5
volleyguy isn't a Karch hater, I don't think. He just doesn't respect him much as a coach. Some people on here really do not like the guy, as a person. They think he's nothing but ego and vindictiveness. I can't name names. I haven't been keeping track. But they exist. Fair enough, volleyguy do make good posts on occasion I admit (although I am still waiting to hear how he define technical knowledge) (see here folks, I am making a correction, gasp, let's see Karch haters do that).
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Post by holidayhusker on Jul 2, 2018 20:48:55 GMT -5
Have you seen yourself in a mirror? Seriously? Do you not know how you are perceived by others? Respect contrary opinions? You have shown none of that here. the irony you beat me to it.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:49:59 GMT -5
Now if we really are talking about a worthless trollish post that adds no value to the discussion, ladies and gent, here it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:50:15 GMT -5
Then let's work past them. Please point me toward the exact posts that bothered you. I will admit that I was over-the-top, if I was, or I'll try to explain my positions further. However, at some point, you will have to respect that it is my personal feeling that he's just not a great coach and that I'm not a fan of his philosophies, his systems, his management, or his choices. I've respected your contrary position. I accept that. I'll let you know if something bugs me in the future -- like "Karch Jr.". It's not worth the rehash. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what you have against Shaffmaster. * *It's a joke! I was actually expecting a response from that post, but you didn't indulge me!
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:51:39 GMT -5
I accept that. I'll let you know if something bugs me in the future -- like "Karch Jr.". It's not worth the rehash. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what you have against Shaffmaster. * *It's a joke! I was actually expecting a response from that post, but you didn't indulge me! You've done a lot of self-indulging here, don't you think?
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Post by donut on Jul 2, 2018 20:56:27 GMT -5
I don't think my question was vague, at all. But in the interest of clarity, let me address some of this. Well, your question was vague. But in short, saying "we wanna win no matter what" and "let's develop our younger players" are, most likely, mutually exclusive. This is a misrepresentation of my point. I never said "we wanna win no matter what." I asked about THIS SPECIFIC TOURNAMENT. They can try to win it with their best team and still develop players. I have never bought the argument that inexperienced players needed to play in the VNL or they will not develop. I still don't. I realize that. But you do understand that I was asking why you think it is "ultimately unimportant." I don't think "bragging rights" enter into anything. Money, competitiveness and culture are important, however. As is team chemistry and confidence. I think all of this was to be gained, and probably was. For starters, MBH was no lock for Tokyo. She may be now, based on her performance. I still don't see why people ignore what we DID get from this tournament: 1) MBH is probably legit; 2) KRob can play libero (although that could still change); 3) Dixon is regaining her form; 4) Lloyd was able to set this team to gold; 5) the opposite still needs help. I think people can impress in the gym. How the hell did MBH make her way to the A team if not there? Lastly, why are we completely rebuilding a team that is damned good as is? Do you honestly think any of those players are ready to supplant the NT starters? (Yes, I know this is a chicken and egg thing, but -- cripes -- they are just out of college.) I cannot speak to the reasons why these players were brought along. I do know Wilhite was a great college player her senior season and has been in the program a while. They must have liked what they saw. I still think JWO has a shot. Did I specify Karch? No, I did not. Although he was on Hugh's staff. Players do not go straight from college to NT starters unless they are truly special, like Tom (who was in USAV while in college). All of those players improved in USAV. I am not downplaying their talent. But I sure as hell am not downplaying their training either. If we've circled back to Karch, fine. But my view on him remains the same: The criticism is over the top. He's not the best in the world, but he knows that and he is constantly trying to be better. Criticism is warranted. Some of the stuff on VT? Uncalled for. 1. No, you didn't say "we wanna win no matter what" - Karch and team did through interviews and their actions in the VNL. 2. If inexperienced players shouldn't compete in the VNL, where should they? The Pan Am? Against C-level teams? That feeds directly into my point that this just delays their timelines further, which you ignored. Also, MBH is 28-years-old. I think we would all prefer finding blossoming OHs before that age. There's no guarantee she'll even make it to Tokyo. 3. I did originally answer you question, which was two-fold: "why USAV should NOT have taken this tournament seriously?" and "why not treat it like it's important?" Which I do think was vague because you didn't define "seriously" or "important," which a major point of contention between us rests on how we define those two words. I think you can view a tournament as important by using it as a development opportunity. Which I elaborated upon why the VNL is important for this purpose when I provided the rest of the quad's timeline. 4. I never said let's completely rebuild the team, did I? I said under the current course, we will have to completely rebuild the team in 2020. 5. Yeah you can't speak to the Wilhite/JWO question because it makes no sense. You know what isn't good for a player's development? Giving her a shot at starting libero, and when she slips up, not letting her back into the lineup for 4 weeks. 6. I think this has been resolved, but I've asked this multiple times on this forum and gotten radio silence -- where is this "Karch hate" or unwarranted posts? I'm sorry, but I hardly find "Karch Jr." "uncalled for."
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:56:32 GMT -5
Posters talk a lot about certain posters' "contempt" for Karch, where as most of the demonstrations of contempt on this forum are aimed at other posters. Even when the "Karch haters" are quiet, they still get baited with "where are the shhhhhhhhh cult members now harharharhar?" It's this obsessive contempt that blinds posters into not being able to actually discuss the REASONING for differing beliefs, and jumping straight to instances like the one above, where the facts are so blindingly obvious and the reasoning very clear (and thoroughly explained), and even the I-hate-this-certain-poster bitter Betty in question just admits they are being biased and stubborn. Don't play the innocent victim here. You indulge in this like everyone here. Start by admitting it. No one forces you to respond. You choose to out of your own free will. You are just as guilty as everybody else.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 20:57:52 GMT -5
I don't think my question was vague, at all. But in the interest of clarity, let me address some of this. This is a misrepresentation of my point. I never said "we wanna win no matter what." I asked about THIS SPECIFIC TOURNAMENT. They can try to win it with their best team and still develop players. I have never bought the argument that inexperienced players needed to play in the VNL or they will not develop. I still don't. I realize that. But you do understand that I was asking why you think it is "ultimately unimportant." I don't think "bragging rights" enter into anything. Money, competitiveness and culture are important, however. As is team chemistry and confidence. I think all of this was to be gained, and probably was. For starters, MBH was no lock for Tokyo. She may be now, based on her performance. I still don't see why people ignore what we DID get from this tournament: 1) MBH is probably legit; 2) KRob can play libero (although that could still change); 3) Dixon is regaining her form; 4) Lloyd was able to set this team to gold; 5) the opposite still needs help. I think people can impress in the gym. How the hell did MBH make her way to the A team if not there? Lastly, why are we completely rebuilding a team that is damned good as is? Do you honestly think any of those players are ready to supplant the NT starters? (Yes, I know this is a chicken and egg thing, but -- cripes -- they are just out of college.) I cannot speak to the reasons why these players were brought along. I do know Wilhite was a great college player her senior season and has been in the program a while. They must have liked what they saw. I still think JWO has a shot. Did I specify Karch? No, I did not. Although he was on Hugh's staff. Players do not go straight from college to NT starters unless they are truly special, like Tom (who was in USAV while in college). All of those players improved in USAV. I am not downplaying their talent. But I sure as hell am not downplaying their training either. If we've circled back to Karch, fine. But my view on him remains the same: The criticism is over the top. He's not the best in the world, but he knows that and he is constantly trying to be better. Criticism is warranted. Some of the stuff on VT? Uncalled for. 6. I think this has been resolved, but I've asked this multiple times on this forum and gotten radio silence -- where is this "Karch hate" or unwarranted posts? I'm sorry, but I hardly find "Karch Jr." "uncalled for." There is no radio silence, you just choose to ignore the examples of Karch hate. Look at this for example, implying Karch is a racist: You can be black on Karch's team, just don't be black and proud. That is a pathological hatred if you asked me.
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 2, 2018 21:06:05 GMT -5
I don't think my question was vague, at all. But in the interest of clarity, let me address some of this. This is a misrepresentation of my point. I never said "we wanna win no matter what." I asked about THIS SPECIFIC TOURNAMENT. They can try to win it with their best team and still develop players. I have never bought the argument that inexperienced players needed to play in the VNL or they will not develop. I still don't. I realize that. But you do understand that I was asking why you think it is "ultimately unimportant." I don't think "bragging rights" enter into anything. Money, competitiveness and culture are important, however. As is team chemistry and confidence. I think all of this was to be gained, and probably was. For starters, MBH was no lock for Tokyo. She may be now, based on her performance. I still don't see why people ignore what we DID get from this tournament: 1) MBH is probably legit; 2) KRob can play libero (although that could still change); 3) Dixon is regaining her form; 4) Lloyd was able to set this team to gold; 5) the opposite still needs help. I think people can impress in the gym. How the hell did MBH make her way to the A team if not there? Lastly, why are we completely rebuilding a team that is damned good as is? Do you honestly think any of those players are ready to supplant the NT starters? (Yes, I know this is a chicken and egg thing, but -- cripes -- they are just out of college.) I cannot speak to the reasons why these players were brought along. I do know Wilhite was a great college player her senior season and has been in the program a while. They must have liked what they saw. I still think JWO has a shot. Did I specify Karch? No, I did not. Although he was on Hugh's staff. Players do not go straight from college to NT starters unless they are truly special, like Tom (who was in USAV while in college). All of those players improved in USAV. I am not downplaying their talent. But I sure as hell am not downplaying their training either. If we've circled back to Karch, fine. But my view on him remains the same: The criticism is over the top. He's not the best in the world, but he knows that and he is constantly trying to be better. Criticism is warranted. Some of the stuff on VT? Uncalled for. 1. No, you didn't say "we wanna win no matter what" - Karch and team did through interviews and their actions in the VNL. 2. If inexperienced players shouldn't compete in the VNL, where should they? The Pan Am? Against C-level teams? That feeds directly into my point that this just delays their timelines further, which you ignored. Also, MBH is 28-years-old. I think we would all prefer finding blossoming OHs before that age. There's no guarantee she'll even make it Tokyo. 3. I did originally answer you question, which was two-fold: "why USAV should NOT have taken this tournament seriously?" and "why not treat it like it's important?" Which I do think was vague because you didn't define "seriously" or "important," which a major point of contention between us rests on how we define those two words. I think you can view a tournament as important by using it as a development opportunity. Which I elaborated upon why the VNL is important for this purpose when I provided the rest of the quad's timeline. 4. I never said let's completely rebuild the team, did I? I said under the current course, we will have to completely rebuild the team in 2020. What makes you think Karch doesn't see the VNL as a great development opportunity for his EXISTING PLAYERS? Athletic performance is a perisable skill, even for top players. You leave them out to dry for too long and they will loose their performance edge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 21:08:58 GMT -5
I accept that. I'll let you know if something bugs me in the future -- like "Karch Jr.". It's not worth the rehash. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what you have against Shaffmaster. * *It's a joke! I was actually expecting a response from that post, but you didn't indulge me! Kinda hard for me to comment. I've barely seen her play.
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