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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 30, 2019 17:38:11 GMT -5
I’m not at all worried about Robyn’s approach to recruiting. She knows what’s she’s doing. Im 100 percent sure of that as well. She showing to be a really good recruiter. Maybe im just living in the past lf Shoji, it just feels like we are never in the running for these players. Robyn brings a different dynamic to recruiting for Hawaii. Not saying that the top players will still not play at bigger programs but with Robyn recruits know that she has played the game at the very highest levels. If they’re looking to get better, she’ll make them better. It all depends on what recruits are looking for.
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 30, 2019 17:50:22 GMT -5
Lol at this defeatist mentality. Robyn's recruiting style is different than Coach Dave's. If she feels a player could be a good fit for Hawaii, she won't be afraid to try to recruit that player, even if that player is being recruited by the likes of Stanford or Texas. I'm not saying Robyn is recruiting Kami Miner (we're good with Kate Lang), just that it's foolish to believe that Robyn wouldn't do everything she can to help make her program better. As for Miner, her ultimate goal is to be on US Women’s Olympic Volleyball Team. Who better to learn from and be coached and guided towards that goal than Robyn? I just think Robyn needs to be smart about it. Kami miner has almost 0 chace of coming here. Robyn needs to go after the girls with local ties, and are blue chipper (Which is quite alot actually). I can't see her holding a scholarship for someone like miner, unless miner genuinly showed some interest in us.
Sure she can go after them, but im sure robyn and Co know their chances.
Still sounds pretty defeatist If the program wants to be a team that can contend for a national championship again, then it needs to trend towards locking in the best 1-3 in state kids that can excel at the MAJOR D1 level, not just mid major. After that, going after The Top 10/50/100 players aggressively that they can find on the mainland(or internationally) and making the case for Hawaii should be the number 1 goal. Then adding better quality teams to the hosted tournaments. This first week is solid, all teams doing well in conference and/or post season. But next year I would for sure trade a Sac State, Army for an Ohio State, Kentucky for example if possible. That is the only way the program builds back up and holds onto its high level level of competitiveness. I haven’t even heard of any real big time island local players besides Oglivie and the younger Akana. Either of whom could fill in our need for a Star Libero and not be paying the out of state tuition like I’m sure Via will have to when she gets here unless she earns some money with her gameplay. Hawaii has had several players come from the Mizuno Long Beach club so idk where you “0 chance” comes from. UH may not be on the top of her list but I’ll take tropics and the beach over the dry heat of Texas but that’s just me. The Oregon girls didn’t just leave because of the school, Ulmer did have great recruits coming in that he had recruited himself vs our 3, who had all been hit by the injury bug at some point but are still high caliber players. However, it’s not that long ago that Oregon was a bottom barrel PAC 10 team but they’ve brought themselves to greatness with great recruiting classes. It honestly sounds like you’re saying some players are “Too good” for Hawaii and that doesn’t sound very “Wahine fan” to me 🙄, even if you’re the budget/fake Gucci member lol
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 30, 2019 17:57:50 GMT -5
Im 100 percent sure of that as well. She showing to be a really good recruiter. Maybe im just living in the past lf Shoji, it just feels like we are never in the running for these players. Robyn brings a different dynamic to recruiting for Hawaii. Not saying that the top players will still not play at bigger programs but with Robyn recruits know that she has played the game at the very highest levels. If they’re looking to get better, she’ll make them better. It all depends on what recruits are looking for. I think Robyn brings a competitive attitude and a lot of fire, and she really seems to have embraced the role of mother hen a little bit--that is toughness and love at the same time. I do think she is still learning the process of how best to train her players to get better--that's is something that takes time as a coach, even for someone who is as experienced a player as she is. But she certainly is showing signs that she's a pretty quick study.
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Post by oldhead on Aug 30, 2019 17:58:28 GMT -5
Hawaii fans will love Kate. She’s great on and off the court. With Robyn’s coaching I can see her doing great things there.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 30, 2019 18:03:34 GMT -5
I just think Robyn needs to be smart about it. Kami miner has almost 0 chace of coming here. Robyn needs to go after the girls with local ties, and are blue chipper (Which is quite alot actually). I can't see her holding a scholarship for someone like miner, unless miner genuinly showed some interest in us.
Sure she can go after them, but im sure robyn and Co know their chances.
Still sounds pretty defeatist If the program wants to be a team that can contend for a national championship again, then it needs to trend towards locking in the best 1-3 in state kids that can excel at the MAJOR D1 level, not just mid major. After that, going after The Top 10/50/100 players aggressively that they can find on the mainland(or internationally) and making the case for Hawaii should be the number 1 goal. Then adding better quality teams to the hosted tournaments. This first week is solid, all teams doing well in conference and/or post season. But next year I would for sure trade a Sac State, Army for an Ohio State, Kentucky for example if possible. That is the only way the program builds back up and holds onto its high level level of competitiveness. I haven’t even heard of any real big time island local players besides Oglivie and the younger Akana. Either of whom could fill in our need for a Star Libero and not be paying the out of state tuition like I’m sure Via will have to when she gets here unless she earns some money with her gameplay. Hawaii has had several players come from the Mizuno Long Beach club so idk where you “0 chance” comes from. UH may not be on the top of her list but I’ll take tropics and the beach over the dry heat of Texas but that’s just me. The Oregon girls didn’t just leave because of the school, Ulmer did have great recruits coming in that he had recruited himself vs our 3, who had all been hit by the injury bug at some point but are still high caliber players. However, it’s not that long ago that Oregon was a bottom barrel PAC 10 team but they’ve brought themselves to greatness with great recruiting classes. It honestly sounds like you’re saying some players are “Too good” for Hawaii and that doesn’t sound very “Wahine fan” to me 🙄, even if you’re the budget/fake Gucci member lol One less address your last comment. I am probably one of the FEW on here who did not attack last years team, when most of them gave up, I still supported the team. Now lets address this defeatist thing. Im not being a defeatist, im being a realist. These girls dont only committ to programs or coaches, they committ to the school. Hawaii is NOT going to compete academically with Stanford, USC, Texas, UCLA. We arent gonna compete with the budget of the big schools. No way. Now are we going to land the occasional star recruit like Croson, Danielson etc? Absolutely, but those players are going to have some ties to the island some way, or feel connected to Hawaii because of their race, status etc. Schools like Texas, Stanford recruit them selves, Robyn has a MUCH harder job and Im sure she knows if stanford comes knocking, we wont win. We have to be smart about these things, and Im sure robyn is as well. Ive said TIME and TIME again that robyn is fantastic coach and recruiter, but we have to be real about our chances.
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Post by goblin on Aug 30, 2019 18:13:30 GMT -5
Dave historically has had some really great associate head coaches who were outstanding recruiters like Nowack, Wade, Sealy, Wong...they established their recruiting networks and brought in amazing talent. Its still a hit or miss, you won't get it right all the time, Castillo was a Scott Wong recruit, but she was a very highly regarded high school prospect with size. Iosia was recruited by Scott Wong and committed early to our program back in 2014 (Scott's last season at UH), well before she graduated from Redondo Union. When Scott left for Pepperdine, Jeff Hall was brought in from the Men's program to take over as head recruiter and brought in Williams, Howling, Lipscomb, Castaneda, and Sibley. Although Jeff Hall has established ties and recruiting networks in beach and maybe Men's indoor VB, it was obviously not the case for Women's indoor VB. At least he's found success as our beach coach. Its great to see Robyn's coaching staff rebuilding the indoor recruiting network AND restoring this program back to its former glory. The signs are there, try getting decent seats to their opening season tournament...good luck with that.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 30, 2019 18:25:33 GMT -5
For the record, getting players like hartong, Iosia, Houston etc, are different than getting players like miner. Sure those players were heavily recruited, but not like players like Foecke, Miner, Sun, Butler were. We can land top talent, but landing playrs of those calliber? That's more than challenging.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 30, 2019 18:28:43 GMT -5
Still sounds pretty defeatist If the program wants to be a team that can contend for a national championship again, then it needs to trend towards locking in the best 1-3 in state kids that can excel at the MAJOR D1 level, not just mid major. After that, going after The Top 10/50/100 players aggressively that they can find on the mainland(or internationally) and making the case for Hawaii should be the number 1 goal. Then adding better quality teams to the hosted tournaments. This first week is solid, all teams doing well in conference and/or post season. But next year I would for sure trade a Sac State, Army for an Ohio State, Kentucky for example if possible. That is the only way the program builds back up and holds onto its high level level of competitiveness. I haven’t even heard of any real big time island local players besides Oglivie and the younger Akana. Either of whom could fill in our need for a Star Libero and not be paying the out of state tuition like I’m sure Via will have to when she gets here unless she earns some money with her gameplay. Hawaii has had several players come from the Mizuno Long Beach club so idk where you “0 chance” comes from. UH may not be on the top of her list but I’ll take tropics and the beach over the dry heat of Texas but that’s just me. The Oregon girls didn’t just leave because of the school, Ulmer did have great recruits coming in that he had recruited himself vs our 3, who had all been hit by the injury bug at some point but are still high caliber players. However, it’s not that long ago that Oregon was a bottom barrel PAC 10 team but they’ve brought themselves to greatness with great recruiting classes. It honestly sounds like you’re saying some players are “Too good” for Hawaii and that doesn’t sound very “Wahine fan” to me 🙄, even if you’re the budget/fake Gucci member lol One less address your last comment. I am probably one of the FEW on here who did not attack last years team, when most of them gave up, I still supported the team. That is true. I admit that I gave up on the team the first week of the season. As a long-time Hawaii fan, it was hard to see a team struggle that much offensively. Especially a team with a bunch of seniors who continued to make the same mistakes. I had hoped for more, from Granato especially. Tita and Norene really saved Hawaii's season last year.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 30, 2019 18:29:44 GMT -5
One less address your last comment. I am probably one of the FEW on here who did not attack last years team, when most of them gave up, I still supported the team. That is true. I admit that I gave up on the team the first week of the season. As a long-time Hawaii fan, it was hard to see a team struggle that much offensively. Especially with a bunch of seniors. I had hoped for more, from Granato especially. Agreed it was hard, and I wish that team could have done more, but they still beat a good cal poly team and made the tournament, so in the end I was happy.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 30, 2019 18:43:44 GMT -5
For the record, getting players like hartong, Iosia, Houston etc, are different than getting players like miner. Sure those players were heavily recruited, but not like players like Foecke, Miner, Sun, Butler were. We can land top talent, but landing playrs of those calliber? That's more than challenging. Emily Hartong was a three-time AVCA AA. Incredible because in her Sophomore season, she made AA as a middle. Then as an OH her Junior and Senior seasons. Jamie Houston was a two-time AA. Both were FAB 50 recruits but they weren't considered "Top talent" coming into Hawai'i. They certainly left Hawai'i as top talent though. It's not really about landing top talent, it's about landing multiple highly sought after recruits, a team of top talent. That is really what separates the great programs from the good programs.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 30, 2019 18:47:47 GMT -5
For the record, getting players like hartong, Iosia, Houston etc, are different than getting players like miner. Sure those players were heavily recruited, but not like players like Foecke, Miner, Sun, Butler were. We can land top talent, but landing playrs of those calliber? That's more than challenging. Emily Hartong was a three-time AVCA AA. Incredible because in her Sophomore season, she made AA as a middle. Then as an OH her Junior and Senior seasons. Jamie Houston was a two-time AA. Both were FAB 50 recruits but they weren't considered "Top talent" coming into Hawai'i. They certainly left Hawai'i as top talent though. It's not really about landing top talent, it's about landing multiple highly sought after recruits, a team of top talent. That is really what separates the great programs from the good programs.Except for Texas!
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 30, 2019 18:55:51 GMT -5
For the record, getting players like hartong, Iosia, Houston etc, are different than getting players like miner. Sure those players were heavily recruited, but not like players like Foecke, Miner, Sun, Butler were. We can land top talent, but landing playrs of those calliber? That's more than challenging. Emily Hartong was a three-time AVCA AA. Incredible because in her Sophomore season, she made AA as a middle. Then as an OH her Junior and Senior seasons. Jamie Houston was a two-time AA. Both were FAB 50 recruits but they weren't considered "Top talent" coming into Hawai'i. They certainly left Hawai'i as top talent though. It's not really about landing top talent, it's about landing multiple highly sought after recruits, a team of top talent. That is really what separates the great programs from the good programs. That further proves my point. We have to go after those girls who are good, but we can make even better. That is what Hawaii is known for.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Aug 30, 2019 19:02:11 GMT -5
Emily Hartong was a three-time AVCA AA. Incredible because in her Sophomore season, she made AA as a middle. Then as an OH her Junior and Senior seasons. Jamie Houston was a two-time AA. Both were FAB 50 recruits but they weren't considered "Top talent" coming into Hawai'i. They certainly left Hawai'i as top talent though. It's not really about landing top talent, it's about landing multiple highly sought after recruits, a team of top talent. That is really what separates the great programs from the good programs. That further proves my point. We have to go after those girls who are good, but we can make even better. That is what Hawaii is known for. That is definitely what Coach Dave was known for. He said that once collegiate women's volleyball grew, he didn't go for the top players but players that he felt they could develop and/or good players with Hawaii ties. That said, Robyn doesn't have to adopt Coach's recruiting philosophy. I think we're all excited about her recruits and the season to come but she shouldn't shy away from making a pitch to someone that may not have Hawaii on their radar. In the end, we will continue to cheer for our team, except if they suck.
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Post by goblin on Aug 30, 2019 19:34:43 GMT -5
Volleyball is the one sport that Hawaii can compete with just about anybody. Why? Because the Big Schools athletic budgets are primarily focused on supporting the big 3 revenue producing sports: Football, Basketball, and Baseball. Our Men's VB program is a prime example of this. I believe what would hamper a recruits desire to come here to play more than anything else is geography, that's not so much an obstacle for an international player like Hellvig or Maglio. To bring in top talent, you need to be able to sell this program to a recruit, large fan base, great 10K arena, newly renovated athletic facilities, great beaches, multi-cultural population and cuisine, nice weather, etc. UH is pretty solid in the STEM fields, it really depends on what kind of college experience the recruit is looking for. We recently received a football commitment from Texas by the top kicking prospect in the nation and he turned down a great number of big schools close by because he wanted to enrich his life experience.
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Post by wang pu on Aug 30, 2019 19:48:28 GMT -5
That further proves my point. We have to go after those girls who are good, but we can make even better. That is what Hawaii is known for. That is definitely what Coach Dave was known for. He said that once collegiate women's volleyball grew, he didn't go for the top players but players that he felt they could develop and/or good players with Hawaii ties. That said, Robyn doesn't have to adopt Coach's recruiting philosophy. I think we're all excited about her recruits and the season to come but she shouldn't shy away from making a pitch to someone that may not have Hawaii on their radar. In the end, we will continue to cheer for our team, except if they suck. I personally have loved Robyn's recruiting style. She is not limiting the Wahine to California, she is going to other states and countries! Hopefully the 2019 recruiting class is the beginning of the reemergence of Wahine volleyball.
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