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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 8:47:39 GMT -5
I’m not sure why parents think their daughters need to attend camps in order to get recruited.
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Post by DoubleOh7 on May 11, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -5
I’m not sure why parents think their daughters need to attend camps in order to get recruited. My daughter used camps to work with and get to know the staff and some of the existing players... and to let them get to know her. Then she could tour the campus and hopefully have some time to talk to the coach as well. Seems more and more camps are throwing in 'campus tours' in groups to get around the unofficial visit start date of August 1st before junior year. This didn't really happen a few years ago, you either went before or after camp to take more of an individual unofficial visit. But she only picked camps where she had previously talked with coaches who had shown an interest in her.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 11, 2019 10:43:25 GMT -5
I’m not sure why parents think their daughters need to attend camps in order to get recruited. It's less about "in order to get recruited" and more about "I'm already being recruited by this school so I want to get to know the coaches, program, and school more". From the comments the coaches make, it's the same for them: "We know you can play volleyball, now we need to get to know you to see if/how you fit with our program". Basically, it's paring down their options and putting their recruiting board more in order. Can this all happen outside of camp? Absolutely, and it has and will in the future. However, especially now with the restrictions, it's going to be, quite literally, the ONLY way you can interact with a program and coaches prior to June 15 after sophomore year. The challenge will be that it will be much more of a guessing game for families as to whether a program would be interested in the athlete as a recruit or not.
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Post by uncommitted on May 11, 2019 10:57:50 GMT -5
I’m not sure why parents think their daughters need to attend camps in order to get recruited. It depends on the program. I’ve had 2 daughters recruited, and for one of them most of the schools she was talking to (including the one she wound up going to) absolutely would not extend an offer until they had personally worked with the athlete at camp and also gotten feedback from the existing players on which player to offer (there were at least 3 players being considered for the position and the coach used camp to compare them and decide.) I can certainly see it is a useful tool for coaches to get a better feel of the athlete’s coachability (something they can’t get from just watching) and how the athlete fits into the team chemistry. And it gives the athlete the same opportunity to experience the coaching style and see if she likes the team culture. Both my kids definitely ruled programs out based on the vibe they got at some camps. So no they are not always required (my second daughter did not do a camp at the school she committed to) but they can be useful experiences for both sides, especially now that communications are more limited.
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Post by Friday on May 11, 2019 11:01:14 GMT -5
Just signed my daughter up for another spring camp. So instead of unofficial visits we now pay for a visit that is called a camp.
We are going to schools my daughter is interested in and already had a connection with prior to last week. It is unrealistic to think that come August 1 there will be time to go on unofficial visits when school pre-season is in full swing. And some of these schools will probably offer her on June 15 since she was far enough along in the process with some one them.
Also schools are going to want to see what girls are truly interested in them.
The process will probably iron itself out down the road, but the rush to put it in to place is yuck. They should have let 2021 and 2022 be grandfathered in to the last rules and then started these new rules with 2023s or something like that.
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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 12:09:02 GMT -5
If there is a mutual and known interest I can see the camp situation helping. But if you just like a school and want to get noticed it seems risky given the way these camps are run. Like someone else said, having 4 or 5 courts...hundreds of girls etc.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 11, 2019 12:29:44 GMT -5
If there is a mutual and known interest I can see the camp situation helping. But if you just like a school and want to get noticed it seems risky given the way these camps are run. Like someone else said, having 4 or 5 courts...hundreds of girls etc. There's definite truth here. If you are hoping to get noticed at a camp, you are most likely just putting money in the pockets of the coaches, which they are more than happy to let you do. Camp without prior contact should be seen as just that: A chance to have some fun and to work on some volleyball skills.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 11, 2019 12:31:11 GMT -5
Just signed my daughter up for another spring camp. So instead of unofficial visits we now pay for a visit that is called a camp. Truer words have never been spoken. Not only do you get to pay for travel and expenses of the unofficial, you get to pay for the "privilege" to take it called a camp fee.
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Post by Friday on May 15, 2019 21:32:03 GMT -5
Just listened to the Point Wisconsin podcast with Coach Sheffield. He isn't in favor of the new rules and talks about the pressures it places on the PSAs and the craziness and pressure that is sure to come once June 15 and August 1 hit. Glad coaches are recognizing this. Wish the NCAA did. Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. Podcast link: www.iheart.com/podcast/427-point-wisconsin-28308823/episode/point-wisconsin-episode-50-42667109/
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Post by n00b on May 15, 2019 22:16:36 GMT -5
Just listened to the Point Wisconsin podcast with Coach Sheffield. He isn't in favor of the new rules and talks about the pressures it places on the PSAs and the craziness and pressure that is sure to come once June 15 and August 1 hit. Glad coaches are recognizing this. Wish the NCAA did. Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. Podcast link: www.iheart.com/podcast/427-point-wisconsin-28308823/episode/point-wisconsin-episode-50-42667109/Football and basketball have always had their own recruiting rules. It isn’t new for them to be doing their own thing.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 16, 2019 7:52:03 GMT -5
Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. $$$$$$$$$$ Money talks... and basketball and football bring in the money...
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Post by vbin58 on May 16, 2019 8:05:51 GMT -5
Just so people are aware, A majority of collegiate football programs, at all levels, operate in the red. They are publicity for the university, not a direct moneymaker.
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Post by vbjustice on May 16, 2019 12:40:58 GMT -5
Just listened to the Point Wisconsin podcast with Coach Sheffield. He isn't in favor of the new rules and talks about the pressures it places on the PSAs and the craziness and pressure that is sure to come once June 15 and August 1 hit. Glad coaches are recognizing this. Wish the NCAA did. Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. Podcast link: www.iheart.com/podcast/427-point-wisconsin-28308823/episode/point-wisconsin-episode-50-42667109/Pretty good podcast episode. I am curious. He mentioned there are some club coaches that decide to pass on some information to PSAs, but sometimes they don’t. Can someone explain? Does he mean some cub coaches intentionally hold back or may not pass on information to their players from college coaches?
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Post by charger0304 on May 16, 2019 12:48:54 GMT -5
Just so people are aware, A majority of collegiate football programs, at all levels, operate in the red. They are publicity for the university, not a direct moneymaker. Would be interesting to see the numbers about this. A quick search led to this: sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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Post by Wolfgang on May 16, 2019 13:17:18 GMT -5
I once belonged to a local alumni group for my alma mater. (Not anymore because it was a drag on my time.) We talked about fundraising and people were wondering how to raise more money for scholarships, endowments, and group operation budget. I got up and said, "We need an athletics department." Got a lot of laughs.
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