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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 11:12:24 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend...
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Post by rvdadvb on Jun 6, 2019 11:54:08 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... It's becoming more and more common in the college basketball world. I suspect volleyball will follow. There is even one kid who "re-classified" (as it is called) and graduated early in order to go pro in Australia in the hopes of eventually coming back to the NBA, as opposed to going to college.
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Post by rvdadvb on Jun 6, 2019 12:01:39 GMT -5
Was thinking about this the other day: With the new rules that sophomores can talk to coaches on the phone June 15th and discuss recruiting, but cannot discuss recruiting with them, in person, on campus, until August 1, it creates a potentially bizarre scenario for camps.
Athlete is at camp. Coach cannot talk to her about recruiting. However, while at camp, said athlete can walk to another room, ergo not "in person", call the coach from her cell phone, and discuss recruiting. Maybe a single date for all contact is a better option.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jun 6, 2019 12:55:58 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... Who is the Maryland early HS graduate? I was aware of BYU, Nebraska, and Texas from last year. Have there been any other prior to this that would have landed on the PV top 100 Juniors? Curious for different reasons. I am pretty sure that Kansas had an early graduate in 2018 that was previously scheduled to graduate in 2019, so this may be happening more than we know? This topic has become kind of interesting - and is related to what is going on with Major League Baseball. The average age of HS baseball players drafted is increasing over time. Kids that could go either way on when to start grade school are being held back and starting school later. I suspect this is not related to baseball or even athletics, but it has become a social change occurring. Then we have the issue of club volleyball - is it my imagination or are their more players now that are too old to play in their age division that most aligns with their graduating class? If this is true (and I don't know it to be true) - then the average HS graduation age for volleyball players has been increasing over the years. So now we may be seeing an increase in the # of players that are graduating early to start playing college ball. I wonder if some of this data is being connected. HS graduation ages are increasing at the same time more HS VB players are graduating a year early. I believe we are seeing an increase in players that are graduating in December and starting college a semester early.
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Post by charger0304 on Jun 6, 2019 13:05:15 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... Who is the Maryland early HS graduate? I was aware of BYU, Nebraska, and Texas from last year. Have there been any other prior to this that would have landed on the PV top 100 Juniors? Curious for different reasons. I am pretty sure that Kansas had an early graduate in 2018 that was previously scheduled to graduate in 2019, so this may be happening more than we know? Rath? I saw something a while ago listing her as 2019 bur figured it was a type-o because she's played up in club...maybe two seasons ago?
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Post by n00b on Jun 6, 2019 13:19:59 GMT -5
Who is the Maryland early HS graduate? I was aware of BYU, Nebraska, and Texas from last year. Have there been any other prior to this that would have landed on the PV top 100 Juniors? Curious for different reasons. I am pretty sure that Kansas had an early graduate in 2018 that was previously scheduled to graduate in 2019, so this may be happening more than we know? Rath? I saw something a while ago listing her as 2019 bur figured it was a type-o because she's played up in club...maybe two seasons ago? Yep. Rebekah Rath, plays on Top Select 17s this year.
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Post by uncommitted on Jun 6, 2019 17:37:20 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... I find the trend of foregoing even the senior year spring to be equally troubling, and that seems to be growing at an even faster pace. :-(
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Post by volleav on Jun 6, 2019 23:07:59 GMT -5
Was thinking about this the other day: With the new rules that sophomores can talk to coaches on the phone June 15th and discuss recruiting, but cannot discuss recruiting with them, in person, on campus, until August 1, it creates a potentially bizarre scenario for camps. Athlete is at camp. Coach cannot talk to her about recruiting. However, while at camp, said athlete can walk to another room, ergo not "in person", call the coach from her cell phone, and discuss recruiting. Maybe a single date for all contact is a better option. Is it only phone/text June 15 and any in person Aug 1, except camps (no recruiting talk)? What about at nationals for example? Can a soon to be junior talk non-recruiting with coaches there? Hi! Nice to meet you? Great weather we’re having! What if someone is already verbally committed? What’s recruiting talk in person (say at a camp) actually look like for those girls? Obviously it will take a few years to work out, but for those already involved in the process what’s the grey area during these months? Two dates just causes more confusion.
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Post by rvdadvb on Jun 7, 2019 10:44:50 GMT -5
Was thinking about this the other day: With the new rules that sophomores can talk to coaches on the phone June 15th and discuss recruiting, but cannot discuss recruiting with them, in person, on campus, until August 1, it creates a potentially bizarre scenario for camps. Athlete is at camp. Coach cannot talk to her about recruiting. However, while at camp, said athlete can walk to another room, ergo not "in person", call the coach from her cell phone, and discuss recruiting. Maybe a single date for all contact is a better option. Is it only phone/text June 15 and any in person Aug 1, except camps (no recruiting talk)? What about at nationals for example? Can a soon to be junior talk non-recruiting with coaches there? Hi! Nice to meet you? Great weather we’re having! What if someone is already verbally committed? What’s recruiting talk in person (say at a camp) actually look like for those girls? Obviously it will take a few years to work out, but for those already involved in the process what’s the grey area during these months? Two dates just causes more confusion. My understanding is that this (or any) kind of discussion, in person, at Nationals for an upcoming Junior would be a no-no. The camp question becomes extremely sticky because of course they can (have to?) talk to each other, but what constitutes recruiting discussion and how do you police it? That's why I think a single date (June 15) for all discussion makes more sense. The fact that you can discuss recruiting in one medium (phone/texts), but not in another (in person) for a period of time creates weirdness. Any and all solutions will have their unintended consequences, so I suppose there's no such thing as a perfect solution, only least problematic ones.
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Post by charger0304 on Jun 7, 2019 11:02:18 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... I find the trend of foregoing even the senior year spring to be equally troubling, and that seems to be growing at an even faster pace. :-( I think it's too soon to say it's growing at an even faster pace, though it very well could end up being a trend. The slow demise of the 18s club season could hasten things.
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Post by n00b on Jun 7, 2019 11:58:02 GMT -5
Is it only phone/text June 15 and any in person Aug 1, except camps (no recruiting talk)? What about at nationals for example? Can a soon to be junior talk non-recruiting with coaches there? Hi! Nice to meet you? Great weather we’re having! What if someone is already verbally committed? What’s recruiting talk in person (say at a camp) actually look like for those girls? Obviously it will take a few years to work out, but for those already involved in the process what’s the grey area during these months? Two dates just causes more confusion. My understanding is that this (or any) kind of discussion, in person, at Nationals for an upcoming Junior would be a no-no. The camp question becomes extremely sticky because of course they can (have to?) talk to each other, but what constitutes recruiting discussion and how do you police it? That's why I think a single date (June 15) for all discussion makes more sense. The fact that you can discuss recruiting in one medium (phone/texts), but not in another (in person) for a period of time creates weirdness. Any and all solutions will have their unintended consequences, so I suppose there's no such thing as a perfect solution, only least problematic ones. It was originally all the same date. Then people said “well how do we set up a visit if we can’t talk on the phone” so they moved the phone call date up.
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Post by justahick on Jun 7, 2019 14:33:48 GMT -5
PrepVolleyball's podcast released an episode this week about three athletes who are graduating high school a whole year early to go to college this fall (at BYU, Nebraska and Maryland). All of the recruiting timeline stuff becomes a minor issue if coaches start pressuring kids to forego their senior years of high school. Seems like Texas did it with Eggleston last year and that showed these other coaches that it can be done. I REALLY hope this doesn't become a trend... I find the trend of foregoing even the senior year spring to be equally troubling, and that seems to be growing at an even faster pace. :-( Why? D would have been much better off both academically and athletically if she was able to start college a semester early.
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Post by vbjustice on Jun 7, 2019 15:16:54 GMT -5
I read the Prep Volleyball article just released. One girl took 13 classes her junior year, and another 16 classes in order to finish in time. Just sounds like excessive pressure and desperation almost. To each her own. I guess.
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Post by justahick on Jun 7, 2019 16:53:05 GMT -5
I read the Prep Volleyball article just released. One girl took 13 classes her junior year, and another 16 classes in order to finish in time. Just sounds like excessive pressure and desperation almost. To each her own. I guess. I wouldn't encourage that, but D was really just killing time - she was taking almost all college / AP classes, but wasn't allowed to graduate due to required number of semesters.
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Post by uncommitted on Jun 7, 2019 18:10:00 GMT -5
I read the Prep Volleyball article just released. One girl took 13 classes her junior year, and another 16 classes in order to finish in time. Just sounds like excessive pressure and desperation almost. To each her own. I guess. I wouldn't encourage that, but D was really just killing time - she was taking almost all college / AP classes, but wasn't allowed to graduate due to required number of semesters. I wasn’t talking about any specific individual, and I’m sure there are some girls who are ready for college at a younger age, volleyball-wise, academically, socially, etc . But as of December last year prep volleyball reported at least 41 girls skipping their senior spring semester (there were probably more, that’s just who notified PV). . I just worry a lot of girls are rushing things just for volleyball, and there is of course more to life...senior prom, graduation events, and just more time to enjoy life before the crushing schedule of D1 volleyball kicks in. Most schools have them report in June anyway, so they’re already giving up that summer after graduation. But I think some kids commit early and then get impatient to get to the school they’ve been waiting for so long, so maybe the new recruiting rules will help with that. Who knows.... (see how I tried to work this back to the thread topic??:-) )
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