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Post by volleyparent on May 16, 2019 22:26:34 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days.
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Post by uncommitted on May 17, 2019 0:11:57 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days. What level HP? a1? a2? Youth national training team?
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Post by volleyparent on May 17, 2019 6:01:52 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days. What level HP? a1? a2? Youth national training team? She made A3 and is on the waitlist for A2.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 17, 2019 6:11:45 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days. My opinion is that this is the most crucial recruiting summer for your daughter and I would send her to the college camps if she is very interested in them, especially if it's not a "sure thing" that she is going to be offered. She can always do HP camps next year if she is committed somewhere. Full disclosure - I have a soph daughter as well. We didn't even attempt to try out for USAV HP this year. She is going to 3 college camps this summer. So I am not speaking from past experience, but what we decided to do in a similar situation. Best of luck to her!
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Post by volleav on May 17, 2019 6:26:01 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days. Expressed interest as in they were talking before the rules changed? They’ve sent a questionnaire? Contacted your daughters coach? Your daughter is on their top 3? Top 5? If it’s more than just a questionnaire or camp brochure I’d do the camps. This is a crucial recruiting period and I’d not miss out on any opportunity she would have to work directly with the coach. What position is your daughter? I’d think about that too.
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Post by volleyparent on May 17, 2019 6:37:58 GMT -5
Okay, volleytalk! Help me out. My daughter, who is a sophomore, got an invite to an HP USA camp that is during a during a couple college camps that she is considering going to. These are schools who have expressed interest. What do we do? ? She can't talk to them. We have to make the decision in the next few days. Expressed interest as in they were talking before the rules changed? They’ve sent a questionnaire? Contacted your daughters coach? Your daughter is on their top 3? Top 5? If it’s more than just a questionnaire or camp brochure I’d do the camps. This is a crucial recruiting period and I’d not miss out on any opportunity she would have to work directly with the coach. What position is your daughter? I’d think about that too. Multiple possibilities overlap during that time. Her fav school that she has been talking to the longest, and who has said she is in the top 2 of their list is during that time, but they have a second camp the next week she could go to. The other schools have watched her play at least once and sent her camp invites and recruiting questionnaires. If she makes the A2 from the waitlist, then it is at a later time that doesn’t conflict with camps. I think she can decline the A3 and accept being on the waitlist for A2. My daughter is a libero. Another challenge is that she wants to go to school in a different part of the country and were hoping to make it to a few camps in similar locations during that time period. We were going to make plans after June 15th to see who is truly interested. Ugggg.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 17, 2019 8:16:33 GMT -5
I have a cousin whose daughter went through this process a few years ago that I consulted with at the start of all this. She described the process as "exciting and terrifying at the same time". That description has proven to be very apt.
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Post by volleav on May 17, 2019 8:38:55 GMT -5
Expressed interest as in they were talking before the rules changed? They’ve sent a questionnaire? Contacted your daughters coach? Your daughter is on their top 3? Top 5? If it’s more than just a questionnaire or camp brochure I’d do the camps. This is a crucial recruiting period and I’d not miss out on any opportunity she would have to work directly with the coach. What position is your daughter? I’d think about that too. Multiple possibilities overlap during that time. Her fav school that she has been talking to the longest, and who has said she is in the top 2 of their list is during that time, but they have a second camp the next week she could go to. The other schools have watched her play at least once and sent her camp invites and recruiting questionnaires. If she makes the A2 from the waitlist, then it is at a later time that doesn’t conflict with camps. I think she can decline the A3 and accept being on the waitlist for A2. My daughter is a libero. Another challenge is that she wants to go to school in a different part of the country and were hoping to make it to a few camps in similar locations during that time period. We were going to make plans after June 15th to see who is truly interested. Ugggg. This is just my opinion and my opinion only. I would maybe miss out on the schools that just have watched her and sent info, but I would not pass up the opportunity to goto the school the very first week where she is in the top 2. Especially as a Libero where there are not as many spots as other positions. It is hard because we have no idea what it will look like for these sophomores (going to be juniors) come June 15. It may be the same as before or there may be a mad dash. I just know the process is murky, hard and confusing enough as it is, that I wouldn't miss a critical time. Sadly, with this rule change your daughter can't pick up the phone and ask them anything until June 15.
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Post by charger0304 on May 17, 2019 8:43:41 GMT -5
Multiple possibilities overlap during that time. Her fav school that she has been talking to the longest, and who has said she is in the top 2 of their list is during that time, but they have a second camp the next week she could go to. The other schools have watched her play at least once and sent her camp invites and recruiting questionnaires. If she makes the A2 from the waitlist, then it is at a later time that doesn’t conflict with camps. I think she can decline the A3 and accept being on the waitlist for A2. My daughter is a libero. Another challenge is that she wants to go to school in a different part of the country and were hoping to make it to a few camps in similar locations during that time period. We were going to make plans after June 15th to see who is truly interested. Ugggg. This is just my opinion and my opinion only. I would maybe miss out on the schools that just have watched her and sent info, but I would not pass up the opportunity to goto the school the very first week where she is in the top 2. Especially as a Libero where there are not as many spots as other positions. It is hard because we have no idea what it will look like for these sophomores (going to be juniors) come June 15. It may be the same as before or there may be a mad dash. I just know the process is murky, hard and confusing enough as it is, that I wouldn't miss a critical time. Sadly, with this rule change your daughter can't pick up the phone and ask them anything until June 15. A couple thoughts/opinions of a random VTer here: 1. The prevailing feeling I've gathered about the 2021s is that they're fine. June 15 is just around the corner. Any pressing communication on the side of college programs has already taken place; anything else can wait until June 15. 2. USAV HP is great for the experience. The "investment" of time and certainly money toward college recruitment is maybe not great unless it's the top teams.
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Post by uncommitted on May 17, 2019 8:45:03 GMT -5
What level HP? a1? a2? Youth national training team? She made A3 and is on the waitlist for A2. I would not miss a camp at a college that has expressed genuine interest to go to an A3 camp or even A2 if she gets pulled off the waitlist. If it were A1 or national training team I’d do those instead (both because it’s a great experience and pretty rare air, so just bring on those lists gets tons of top-level college attention). Short of that, I don’t think it’s worth the money or time.
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Post by vbjustice on May 17, 2019 9:45:56 GMT -5
Just listened to the Point Wisconsin podcast with Coach Sheffield. He isn't in favor of the new rules and talks about the pressures it places on the PSAs and the craziness and pressure that is sure to come once June 15 and August 1 hit. Glad coaches are recognizing this. Wish the NCAA did. Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. Podcast link: www.iheart.com/podcast/427-point-wisconsin-28308823/episode/point-wisconsin-episode-50-42667109/Pretty good podcast episode. I am curious. He mentioned there are some club coaches that decide to pass on some information to PSAs, but sometimes they don’t. Can someone explain? Does he mean some cub coaches intentionally hold back or may not pass on information to their players from college coaches? Bump
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Post by charger0304 on May 17, 2019 9:48:25 GMT -5
Pretty good podcast episode. I am curious. He mentioned there are some club coaches that decide to pass on some information to PSAs, but sometimes they don’t. Can someone explain? Does he mean some cub coaches intentionally hold back or may not pass on information to their players from college coaches? Bump I didn't listen to the podcast and have no idea what Sheffield means, but yes, some club coaches/directors/recruiting coordinators act as gatekeepers.
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Post by nickd on May 17, 2019 16:19:59 GMT -5
Just listened to the Point Wisconsin podcast with Coach Sheffield. He isn't in favor of the new rules and talks about the pressures it places on the PSAs and the craziness and pressure that is sure to come once June 15 and August 1 hit. Glad coaches are recognizing this. Wish the NCAA did. Also why were football and basketball not included? I saw a 2022 football player was offered recently. Podcast link: www.iheart.com/podcast/427-point-wisconsin-28308823/episode/point-wisconsin-episode-50-42667109/Pretty good podcast episode. I am curious. He mentioned there are some club coaches that decide to pass on some information to PSAs, but sometimes they don’t. Can someone explain? Does he mean some cub coaches intentionally hold back or may not pass on information to their players from college coaches? I think so. We had this experience. My girls played for a club where we eventually realized that the director was very controlling. It was mostly discipline on the court, being on time, commitment to team, etc but certain players were favorites...received extra training, etc. Eventually we found out that one or more older players (not a favorites) had interest from a coach that the director withheld. This director would decide if a player was sufficiently following the program, what level they should play, etc and then only pass on information at their discretion. I am intentionally being vague here but it did happen often. We left that club. Another slightly less offensive circumstance...after we switched clubs, my daughter contacted coaches and invited them to watch her play at some tournaments. The new club had a recruiting coordinator. I witnessed this coordinator approach coaches who came to watch my daughter and re-direct them to their 1's team (my daughter was on the 2's team) to watch some player who had not yet been recruited. Mind you...this was/is a top club, I don't know what the conversation was between the coach and coordinator and I don't think it was done with intentional malice...it is just that I think the club had a priority on getting all of their 1's team players recruited. But, I saw and heard this happen several times at several tournaments. The recruiter did forward inquiries to my daughter promptly, though. You may be thinking this is sour grapes or whatever prejudice against parents some may confer upon me but I am just saying that these things happen. My girls handled their own recruiting and all went well.
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Post by vbjustice on May 17, 2019 19:00:36 GMT -5
Pretty good podcast episode. I am curious. He mentioned there are some club coaches that decide to pass on some information to PSAs, but sometimes they don’t. Can someone explain? Does he mean some cub coaches intentionally hold back or may not pass on information to their players from college coaches? I think so. We had this experience. My girls played for a club where we eventually realized that the director was very controlling. It was mostly discipline on the court, being on time, commitment to team, etc but certain players were favorites...received extra training, etc. Eventually we found out that one or more older players (not a favorites) had interest from a coach that the director withheld. This director would decide if a player was sufficiently following the program, what level they should play, etc and then only pass on information at their discretion. I am intentionally being vague here but it did happen often. We left that club. Another slightly less offensive circumstance...after we switched clubs, my daughter contacted coaches and invited them to watch her play at some tournaments. The new club had a recruiting coordinator. I witnessed this coordinator approach coaches who came to watch my daughter and re-direct them to their 1's team (my daughter was on the 2's team) to watch some player who had not yet been recruited. Mind you...this was/is a top club, I don't know what the conversation was between the coach and coordinator and I don't think it was done with intentional malice...it is just that I think the club had a priority on getting all of their 1's team players recruited. But, I saw and heard this happen several times at several tournaments. The recruiter did forward inquiries to my daughter promptly, though. You may be thinking this is sour grapes or whatever prejudice against parents some may confer upon me but I am just saying that these things happen. My girls handled their own recruiting and all went well. Very interesting and troubling. Sheffield mentioning it, must have been something he or other B1G coaches have experienced.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 18, 2019 7:12:32 GMT -5
Very interesting and troubling. Sheffield mentioning it, must have been something he or other B1G coaches have experienced. I found it interesting that he mentioned it as a problem with the new rules. In fact, the old system was completely reliant on clubs passing messages from coaches but the new rules forbid clubs from passing messages. I didn’t interpret it that way. I interpreted it as him saying that the use of intermediaries was a problem with the old rules, and now the way they’ve addressed it is by prohibiting all communication, even through an intermediary. He wants them to open up communication. He also wants them to expressly designate 7th graders as PSAs so the rules apply to them, too.
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