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Post by bballnut90 on Feb 8, 2019 21:47:19 GMT -5
In VB some notable ones: UCLA's Spicer getting called for a double late in game 2 of the 2006 semifinals vs. Nebraska. If UCLA wins that point it's deuces. If they win the game they're up 2-0.
Penn State vs. Wisconsin in 2007. Harmotto with the obvious touch call that is missed by the refs and Penn State escapes 16-14. Had Penn State lose the match, they may have been bumped further down as a seed.
Penn State vs. Stanford in 2008, score keepers screw up. Refs blatantly take away a point from Penn State at 20-20 or 21-20. Ends up with Penn State still winning, but it could've been extremely costly. IIRC, both Dunning and Rose agreed Penn State should've had an extra point but refs didn't make the change.
UCLA vs. Illinois in 2011 title game. 1-1 and 24 all in g3, UCLA fights off 2 game points and has momentum. In a long rally Van Orden has a pretty obvious double contact that leads to a Tabi Love kill, no call is made. UCLA wins the next point and goes on to win in 4. If the ref called the double, it could've resulted in Illinois being up 2-1 with momentum going into the 4th.
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Post by n00b on Feb 8, 2019 22:08:17 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!" The play on looks correct to me. Especially since there wasn’t a single player who reacted like the ball was out.
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Post by crug68 on Feb 8, 2019 22:20:12 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!" The play on looks correct to me. Especially since there wasn’t a single player who reacted like the ball was out. Lol. The girls won the match.... in 3. I threw this together to show the team that they have to win, and not rely on mistakes by the other team. But... it was out! I just happened to come across this thread and thought I'd throw it up and take the punishment. I may have another after next weekend's tournament.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Feb 8, 2019 22:42:00 GMT -5
My vote is this call from last weekends tournament. As one dad said, "Proposed Rule of Thumb: If you’re the first official, perched on the elevated referee stand, and you have to move your head and upper body back to avoid possibly being hit by the ball, that ball was probably out! And when in doubt, ask the line judge and trust her judgement...please!" The play on looks correct to me. Especially since there wasn’t a single player who reacted like the ball was out. The zoomed in shot looks like the ball was behind the antennae, and therefore not crossing the plane of the net out of bounds. Based on the video... play on looks correct to me too.
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Post by springs on Feb 8, 2019 23:03:05 GMT -5
The play on looks correct to me. Especially since there wasn’t a single player who reacted like the ball was out. Lol. The girls won the match.... in 3. I threw this together to show the team that they have to win, and not rely on mistakes by the other team. But... it was out! I just happened to come across this thread and thought I'd throw it up and take the punishment. I may have another after next weekend's tournament. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong.
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Post by vbman100 on Feb 8, 2019 23:31:25 GMT -5
Watching the officials miss the pass interference call against the Rams reminded me of the line call at Florida a few years ago. What others are there?
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Post by springs on Feb 9, 2019 6:19:41 GMT -5
The zoomed in shot looks like the ball was behind the antennae, and therefore not crossing the plane of the net out of bounds. Based on the video... play on looks correct to me too. Grainy video, but looks on far side of antenna. Ref reacted well before her contact anticipating what might happen, not what did happen. Where ball was hit and where it landed is consistent with it being fair. Line was in a much worse position than up ref or down ref to make the call. I agree that call looks correct from video, not obviously wrong. This looks like a case of parents on one team reacting to a false clue (the ref ducking out) and not to the actual play. I think the false cue was the LJ giving an antenna fault that was not.
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Post by hookshott on Feb 9, 2019 15:08:30 GMT -5
Important high school match. 14-13 5th set. Team with 13 is serving, Focussing on their serve. "Tweet"...... more than 8 seconds. Loss of point and match. Season is over. Extremely poor judgement by official! That call should NEVER be made in that situation, I don't care if they take 20 seconds (and no team would)!
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 9, 2019 16:52:02 GMT -5
I think the false cue was the LJ giving an antenna fault that was not. True, but that happens so often with kids calling lines while half checked out that I don't give it a lot of weight. Have to chuckle at that comment. When my oldest granddaughter was playing club, I think my biggest concern was that when she was calling lines, she would miss an obvious calls because she was paying attention to something else.
Her team did once lose a set in pool play because a girl wasn't paying attention when she was calling lines. The team "reffing" for her match was the fourth seeded team (out of 4 in the pool). The team was from a new club in their first tournament (early season) and you could tell most of the players hadn't played club before. The typical pool schedule in our tournaments is that the 1st and 2nd seeds play the last match of the pool and the 4th seed "refs". These girls thought they were done after their last match and you could tell many of them were mad that they had to stay to "ref". So watching the match, I could tell one of the girls calling lines was not paying attention most of the time. So the last set we're serving behind 24-23. Serve lands a good foot inbounds, girl is not even watching the game when the ball lands, turns around toward the court and calls it out. Was just a few upset people after that match.
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Post by sevb on Feb 9, 2019 17:03:34 GMT -5
Important high school match. 14-13 5th set. Team with 13 is serving, Focussing on their serve. "Tweet"...... more than 8 seconds. Loss of point and match. Season is over. Extremely poor judgement by official! That call should NEVER be made in that situation, I don't care if they take 20 seconds (and no team would)! So the correct call... should NEVER be called... unless the situation says otherwise... yeah... ok...
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Post by hookshott on Feb 9, 2019 17:54:24 GMT -5
Don't notice where I said it should "NEVER" be called....it simply should NEVER be called in that situation. It was perhaps 8 seconds, though it could have been 7 or 9, I was not counting. It was simply too close to call in that situation, and was simply the "worst official call" I have seen in my 35 years in the game as a coach and official.
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Post by sevb on Feb 9, 2019 18:51:50 GMT -5
Don't notice where I said it should "NEVER" be called....it simply should NEVER be called in that situation. It was perhaps 8 seconds, though it could have been 7 or 9, I was not counting. It was simply too close to call in that situation, and was simply the "worst official call" I have seen in my 35 years in the game as a coach and official. But it was the right call... and you can’t have it both ways... Maybe the ire should be pointed at the athlete who choked in the moment... Or the staff that allowed it... NOT the one person there who seems to have been in the moment and doing the right thing. The right call can't be the worst call youve ever seen... In 35yrs...
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Post by hookshott on Feb 9, 2019 19:07:53 GMT -5
Don't notice where I said it should "NEVER" be called....it simply should NEVER be called in that situation. It was perhaps 8 seconds, though it could have been 7 or 9, I was not counting. It was simply too close to call in that situation, and was simply the "worst official call" I have seen in my 35 years in the game as a coach and official. But it was the right call... and you can’t have it both ways... Maybe the ire should be pointed at the athlete who choked in the moment... Or the staff that allowed it... NOT the one person there who seems to have been in the moment and doing the right thing. The right call can't be the worst call youve ever seen... In 35yrs. Can't say for sure it was the correct call as per the rules because, as I said, it could have been 7 or 8 or 9 seconds...really not sure. If you have ever officiated, you would know that you do not wish to be the one to determine the outcome of a match....especially an important match that could have easily been decided by the players on the court. It is similar to ensuring that a double hit call when both teams are in the 20's, should be a DEFINITE double hit....not a border line call.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 9, 2019 19:21:45 GMT -5
I have seen matches where the serving team took more time than should have been allowed and deliberately threw off the timing and focus of the receiving team. It's rather frustrating when there actually is a rule preventing this, but the ref doesn't enforce it.
I don't care if it is 14-13; if a team deliberately delays the serve in order to defocus the receiving team, they should be called on it. (If it's not deliberate, like say the ball is accidentally dropped or something, then I think the ref ought to cut the player a little slack.)
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Post by sevb on Feb 9, 2019 19:33:34 GMT -5
But it was the right call... and you can’t have it both ways... Maybe the ire should be pointed at the athlete who choked in the moment... Or the staff that allowed it... NOT the one person there who seems to have been in the moment and doing the right thing. The right call can't be the worst call youve ever seen... In 35yrs. Can't say for sure it was the correct call as per the rules because, as I said, it could have been 7 or 8 or 9 seconds...really not sure. If you have ever officiated, you would know that you do not wish to be the one to determine the outcome of a match....especially an important match that could have easily been decided by the players on the court. It is similar to ensuring that a double hit call when both teams are in the 20's, should be a DEFINITE double hit....not a border line call. Yeah... I bet if I asked any official worth their salt... They would all say... "If I would call it on point one... I'd call it on match point." To admit otherwise speaks to your level of officiating... Not my having officiated a match or not.
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