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Post by c4ndlelight on May 28, 2019 14:48:29 GMT -5
I never expected that Karch would actually employ this level of substitutions and flexibility in the offensive system during this quad, so I at least give him credit for that. System-wise, they do appear to have given up going warp-speed in medium pass situations, but Karch has made few subs in the last four matches: Foecke to serve against Belgium, Wilhite to serve against Japan, Thompson for Drews against Japan, and Lake to DS for Wilhite against Bulgaria. Considering that the double-sub and a serving sub was a regular part of the rotation in previous years, this number of substitutions so far in 2019 isn't worth any extra credit IMO. Well, I'd actually say cancelling the double sub and serving sub frees up the ability to make those subs. Over the past quad and a half, we have rarely made in-set substitutions for struggling players, more often using pre-planned sub patterns and then making adjustments between sets.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 14:54:36 GMT -5
System-wise, they do appear to have given up going warp-speed in medium pass situations, but Karch has made few subs in the last four matches: Foecke to serve against Belgium, Wilhite to serve against Japan, Thompson for Drews against Japan, and Lake to DS for Wilhite against Bulgaria. Considering that the double-sub and a serving sub was a regular part of the rotation in previous years, this number of substitutions so far in 2019 isn't worth any extra credit IMO. Well, I'd actually say cancelling the double sub and serving sub frees up the ability to make those subs. Over the past quad and a half, we have rarely made in-set substitutions for struggling players, more often using pre-planned sub patterns and then making adjustments between sets. Exactly... Volleyguy said that he's giving credit to Karch for employing "this level of substitutions." We are not making more substitutions, for any reason, despite having the ability to do so now that the double-sub is not being incorporated.
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Post by donut on May 28, 2019 15:08:38 GMT -5
That's not really true. ^^In the highlight clip above, you can see Washington running the slide and Drews approaching inside. Also, hitting 5 for 7 with some overall pretty awful passing from the US doesn't seem to support the idea she isn't very effective when the passing isn't perfect. I'd have to go back to count, but she terminated on some pretty tough sets from Hancock due to poor passes. You totally misunderstood me. I was trying to explain why she got less ball from Hancock. Rettke played next to setter(2 rotations available to run slide) and Washington played next to opposite (1 rotation is available for slide + some combination plays) Washington hit slide attack most of her volleyball life and some middle quick. When pass is not perfect(reception was off today), setter can set middle for slide or shoot ball. Which was not option so many times for Washington in this game. Cause of she was next to Drews and she is not good at running in front of setter for attacking when pass is not perfect. That's why she only got 7 balls, why Hancock couldn't run more offence with her. No, I understood you. You originally said she could only run slide in 1 rotation, which is false, since as you just said, she ran combination plays with Drews as well. I also understand the difference between M1 and M2, which is a factor here. I'm not saying Haleigh needed 40 attempts, but there were many opportunities to set her (a player who was hitting, again, very very well, mostly in front of the setter). Instead, Hancock often set the pipe attack or sent quick balls to the left, to two players who were the least effective today. Regardless of the fact Haleigh was the M2 and is stronger on the slide, less than 2 attempts per set is underutilizing her, IMO.
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Post by volleyguy on May 28, 2019 15:17:10 GMT -5
I never expected that Karch would actually employ this level of substitutions and flexibility in the offensive system during this quad, so I at least give him credit for that. System-wise, they do appear to have given up going warp-speed in medium pass situations, but Karch has made few subs in the last four matches: Foecke to serve against Belgium, Wilhite to serve against Japan, Thompson for Drews against Japan, and Lake to DS for Wilhite against Bulgaria. Considering that the double-sub and a serving sub was a regular part of the rotation in previous years, this number of substitutions so far in 2019 isn't worth any extra credit IMO. I agree with that. I didn't mean to refer to in-match substitutions. I meant to refer to the substitution of new faces on the initial roster and should have used the term roster selection or experimentation to accurately express what I meant.
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Post by vbsam16 on May 28, 2019 15:38:39 GMT -5
*pressed I love when the Gays insert Drag Race into volleyball. My two favorite thins in the world crossing paths makes me so happy. A more iconic cross over than the Avengers
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Post by dragan11 on May 28, 2019 15:42:17 GMT -5
You originally said she could only run slide in 1 rotation, which is false, since as you just said, she ran combination plays with Drews as well. www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/Features/2019/May/28/Drews-Scores-22-as-US-Women-Beats-SerbiaUnofficial match stats (Easier to get who is M1) The thing you call combination play is not combination play. (When Drews hits between 1-6, and Haleigh runs slide for. It's normal. It's for 1 rotation out of 6 rotations.) If you watch Thailand or Japan, they call their opposite(at the net) to middle of the court from right side, and let their middle to run slide. It's combination play. Which USA didn't run. So, I didn't say anything wrong. Haleigh run slide just 1 rotation at this game. And she is not good at running in front of the setter for shoot ball when pass is not perfect. That's why she got less ball than normal.
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Post by matte on May 28, 2019 16:04:02 GMT -5
she did have an incredible year in italy the year before. Mediocre is the new incredible? Actually Tapp was pretty good in Firenze,before she injured her knee
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Post by Wolfgang on May 28, 2019 16:10:23 GMT -5
Ahh...Firenze! La mia città preferita!
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Post by donut on May 28, 2019 16:10:42 GMT -5
You originally said she could only run slide in 1 rotation, which is false, since as you just said, she ran combination plays with Drews as well. www.teamusa.org/USA-Volleyball/Features/2019/May/28/Drews-Scores-22-as-US-Women-Beats-SerbiaUnofficial match stats (Easier to get who is M1) The thing you call combination play is not combination play. (When Drews hits between 1-6, and Haleigh runs slide for. It's normal. It's for 1 rotation out of 6 rotations.) If you watch Thailand or Japan, they call their opposite(at the net) to middle of the court from right side, and let their middle to run slide. It's combination play. Which USA didn't run. So, I didn't say anything wrong. Haleigh run slide just 1 rotation at this game. And she is not good at running in front of the setter for shoot ball when pass is not perfect. That's why she got less ball than normal. A few things: 1. M1/M2 has nothing to do with the stats. The M1 plays next to the setter, so typically, since they are going to be in the front row with the setter for 2 rotations, they are considered the more offensive middle and they are usually better at the slide attack (Rettke played this position this game). Your M2 can still get more sets than your M1. 2. My apologies, you're right. I thought Drews was in the front row for the swing in the highlights. 3. You keep stating the same thing over and over again and viewing this too black-and-white. There is no rule that says if you are an M2 and not as good as running in front of the setter for the shoot set, you should get 7 attempts in the game. I understand the factors working against Washington getting more sets - I still think, considering her kill % was so high and Wilhite and Kingdon struggled offensively, there were more opportunities to get her the ball, whether that by on the slide, a quick in-system set, or (god forbid we work on athlete development) an OOS shoot set.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 16:42:39 GMT -5
You totally misunderstood me. I was trying to explain why she got less ball from Hancock. Rettke played next to setter(2 rotations available to run slide) and Washington played next to opposite (1 rotation is available for slide + some combination plays) Washington hit slide attack most of her volleyball life and some middle quick. When pass is not perfect(reception was off today), setter can set middle for slide or shoot ball. Which was not option so many times for Washington in this game. Cause of she was next to Drews and she is not good at running in front of setter for attacking when pass is not perfect. That's why she only got 7 balls, why Hancock couldn't run more offence with her. No, I understood you. You originally said she could only run slide in 1 rotation, which is false, since as you just said, she ran combination plays with Drews as well. I also understand the difference between M1 and M2, which is a factor here. I'm not saying Haleigh needed 40 attempts, but there were many opportunities to set her (a player who was hitting, again, very very well, mostly in front of the setter). Instead, Hancock often set the pipe attack or sent quick balls to the left, to two players who were the least effective today. Regardless of the fact Haleigh was the M2 and is stronger on the slide, less than 2 attempts per set is underutilizing her, IMO. Interesting because this is exactly what Novara's setter did all season long.....
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Post by dragan11 on May 28, 2019 17:05:21 GMT -5
donutYou can get it who is m1 or m2 by looking the numbers of starting rotation written in stats. (This statistics are different than college).
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 28, 2019 17:53:28 GMT -5
No, I understood you. You originally said she could only run slide in 1 rotation, which is false, since as you just said, she ran combination plays with Drews as well. I also understand the difference between M1 and M2, which is a factor here. I'm not saying Haleigh needed 40 attempts, but there were many opportunities to set her (a player who was hitting, again, very very well, mostly in front of the setter). Instead, Hancock often set the pipe attack or sent quick balls to the left, to two players who were the least effective today. Regardless of the fact Haleigh was the M2 and is stronger on the slide, less than 2 attempts per set is underutilizing her, IMO. Interesting because this is exactly what Novara's setter did all season long..... Novara was playing to win a CEV championship for that particular season. Also, look at Novara's pin vs USA's. Come on man... get it together! I have faith you can get this someday!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 18:52:30 GMT -5
Interesting because this is exactly what Novara's setter did all season long..... Novara was playing to win a CEV championship for that particular season. Also, look at Novara's pin vs USA's. Come on man... get it together! I have faith you can get this someday! No CEV on the line against Club Italia, Bergamo, Brescia, Filontrano, Firenze, Pomi, Cuneo, Busto, Monza. I'm trying to get it together....maybe by the end of VNL I will get there ....
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Post by vup on May 28, 2019 18:52:58 GMT -5
I thought Parsons’ attacking and blocking were 👌 Serve receive needs some work though.
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Post by djpaige9 on May 28, 2019 18:54:30 GMT -5
Got home after the match ended, now trying to watch the replay on Flovolleyball, and the stream is so screwed up that it's unwatchable. You will see a portion of a play and then the video jumps ahead to the next point, and then back to the earlier point. The sound is disconnected from the action, sometimes the announcer (and I assume the whistles and sound of ball being contacted) are 3-4 plays behind the video. This is the second time I have had this problem, the other time was Brazil-Russia, exact same problem. Anyone else have this issue? (By the way, same problem on two different devices using two different browsers, I tried re-starting the stream, but nothing helps).
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