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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 12, 2024 5:42:29 GMT -5
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 12, 2024 9:14:40 GMT -5
This is quite the brutal qualifier!
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 13, 2024 9:40:20 GMT -5
This is quite the brutal qualifier! Smith/Webber sneak into the party
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Post by guest2 on Mar 13, 2024 16:04:59 GMT -5
This is quite the brutal qualifier! Doesnt seem to be much different than the Elite 16 Q last week. Maybe tougher. I believe Cri get the Grimalts in their bracket? Main draw looks great too. Early season Challenge fields are often excellent and this is no exception. Three teams here that have won Elites
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 13, 2024 17:09:18 GMT -5
I’m curious to see young Mol seeded 28 currently. Smith Webber will be interesting too. I’d be super curious to know what changed for Logan Webber from his time with Evan Cory to his time with Hagen. Completely different player.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 13, 2024 17:11:43 GMT -5
I’m curious to see young Mol seeded 28 currently. Smith Webber will be interesting too. I’d be super curious to know what changed for Logan Webber from his time with Evan Cory to his time with Hagen. Completely different player. if you were Logan Webber, and trying to win a tournament (or qualify) would you rather have Hagen S. or Evan C. as a partner? just a random question, both good options
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 13, 2024 17:21:14 GMT -5
I’m curious to see young Mol seeded 28 currently. Smith Webber will be interesting too. I’d be super curious to know what changed for Logan Webber from his time with Evan Cory to his time with Hagen. Completely different player. if you were Logan Webber, and trying to win a tournament (or qualify) would you rather have Hagen S. or Evan C. as a partner? just a random question, both good optionsHagen by a landslide as much of an Evan fan as I am. The only skill Evan is currently better at than Hagen currently based off of the 2023 season is blocking.
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Post by monsterblock on Mar 13, 2024 22:03:00 GMT -5
if you were Logan Webber, and trying to win a tournament (or qualify) would you rather have Hagen S. or Evan C. as a partner? just a random question, both good options Hagen by a landslide as much of an Evan fan as I am. The only skill Evan is currently better at than Hagen currently based off of the 2023 season is blocking. Hagen for sure his defense is so much better. Evan is just a big highlight offensively but not necessarily super effective at that level. He can get there though Atleast he should based off his athleticism
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 14, 2024 14:52:40 GMT -5
I’m curious to see young Mol seeded 28 currently. Smith Webber will be interesting too. I’d be super curious to know what changed for Logan Webber from his time with Evan Cory to his time with Hagen. Completely different player. if you were Logan Webber, and trying to win a tournament (or qualify) would you rather have Hagen S. or Evan C. as a partner? just a random question, both good optionsagree, Hagen now, not even close, and Hagen also much more upside.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 14, 2024 14:59:38 GMT -5
This is quite the brutal qualifier! Doesnt seem to be much different than the Elite 16 Q last week. Maybe tougher. I believe Cri get the Grimalts in their bracket? doesn't Challenge Q advance 8? which would mean 1v16, 2v15, etc, so Cri would meet Emarcura/Waller 5v12. I think that's a good matchup.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 14, 2024 16:06:54 GMT -5
if you were Logan Webber, and trying to win a tournament (or qualify) would you rather have Hagen S. or Evan C. as a partner? just a random question, both good options agree, Hagen now, not even close, and Hagen also much more upside. I like both of these guys and I particularly value how dedicated Hagen has been. But he doesn't have near the upside Evan does. To start with, Hagen would be a small defender on the women's side, much less the men's. He has a very firm ceiling, and that ceiling is his height. Evan is also a couple years younger than Hagen. The one big advantage I think Hagen has is his understanding of the game, which manifests in his superior defense. I doubt either guy ever achieves anything on the world tour. Hagen is too limited athletically and Evan is too far behind the players there from a skill perspective. They both bring a lot to BVB in our country though and Im grateful they are on tour
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 14, 2024 21:30:39 GMT -5
agree, Hagen now, not even close, and Hagen also much more upside. I like both of these guys and I particularly value how dedicated Hagen has been. But he doesn't have near the upside Evan does. To start with, Hagen would be a small defender on the women's side, much less the men's. He has a very firm ceiling, and that ceiling is his height. Evan is also a couple years younger than Hagen. The one big advantage I think Hagen has is his understanding of the game, which manifests in his superior defense. I doubt either guy ever achieves anything on the world tour. Hagen is too limited athletically and Evan is too far behind the players there from a skill perspective. They both bring a lot to BVB in our country though and Im grateful they are on tour Hagen has great hops, a great serve, and as you say, a good understanding of the flow of the game. You didn't mention Evan's biggest weakness which is a Hagen strength... fundamentals. Evan doesn't even cover his partner's attack for blocks. There is literally nothing Evan does as well as Hagen does, and that includes sideout.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2024 3:55:35 GMT -5
I like both of these guys and I particularly value how dedicated Hagen has been. But he doesn't have near the upside Evan does. To start with, Hagen would be a small defender on the women's side, much less the men's. He has a very firm ceiling, and that ceiling is his height. Evan is also a couple years younger than Hagen. The one big advantage I think Hagen has is his understanding of the game, which manifests in his superior defense. I doubt either guy ever achieves anything on the world tour. Hagen is too limited athletically and Evan is too far behind the players there from a skill perspective. They both bring a lot to BVB in our country though and Im grateful they are on tour Hagen has great hops, a great serve, and as you say, a good understanding of the flow of the game. You didn't mention Evan's biggest weakness which is a Hagen strength... fundamentals. Evan doesn't even cover his partner's attack for blocks. There is literally nothing Evan does as well as Hagen does, and that includes sideout. Evan is a better sideout player than Hagen (.408 to .355 hitting percentage in 2023, and .466. to .366 in 2022). He is also a better setter. And his poor fundamentals also indicate a greater upside because he has more room to improve technically. Other than hand setting, which I don't get why Hagen doesn't already do exclusively, where does he have much room for growth? He seems pretty maxed out athletically and his skills don't seem likely to get much better. I doubt either gets there, but to reach the level that Trevor Crabb has, Evan needs to improve his fundamentals and feel for the game. Hagen has to grow. (At 28 thats a big ask).
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Post by JB Southpaw on Mar 15, 2024 9:09:11 GMT -5
Hagen has great hops, a great serve, and as you say, a good understanding of the flow of the game. You didn't mention Evan's biggest weakness which is a Hagen strength... fundamentals. Evan doesn't even cover his partner's attack for blocks. There is literally nothing Evan does as well as Hagen does, and that includes sideout. Evan is a better sideout player than Hagen (.408 to .355 hitting percentage in 2023, and .466. to .366 in 2022). He is also a better setter. And his poor fundamentals also indicate a greater upside because he has more room to improve technically. Other than hand setting, which I don't get why Hagen doesn't already do exclusively, where does he have much room for growth? He seems pretty maxed out athletically and his skills don't seem likely to get much better. I doubt either gets there, but to reach the level that Trevor Crabb has, Evan needs to improve his fundamentals and feel for the game. Hagen has to grow. (At 28 thats a big ask). Since you are able to quote hitting %, can you look up avg 1st round seed opponent? It would be good to base the % off like opponents. I think Evan parntering with Troy got some good seeding advantages, quick look, Hermosa and MBO were E&T we 5th seeds, giving them weaker opponents to play against.
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Post by poorlambourne on Mar 15, 2024 9:15:48 GMT -5
Also Hagen has 70 more digs than Evan, on two fewer sets played, which will obviously affect hitting %
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