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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 12:55:20 GMT -5
Tri/Chaim up in about 10 minutes on Court 4. Go USA4!
it's on youtube
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 13:03:26 GMT -5
I had forgotten that Quali matches are streamed on youtube...
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 21, 2024 13:53:19 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now I expected Hagen to cover on Logan's attacks, and that paid off a couple of times. I expected Hagen to put up sets right in Logan's window and make the right call. I expected Hagen to get a couple of aces. I didn't expect the effect he has on Logan. I'm listening through mixing headphones, and I can hear all the dialogue clearly. Hagen is IN CHARGE out there. Directing Logan what to do on every point.
But then there is Logan's block... wow.
This is an awesome insight about what’s changed for Logan playing with Hagen vs. with Cory. Cuz I also think Logan’s been better with hagen than with Cory. Getting a couple swings a match covered vs. your partner fell over when he set your in system pass (call it the Mewhirter) is huge. Being able to just go execute and turn your brain off vs. Logan was prolly a big part of the defensive design process with Evan is also huge. With regards to guest2 commenting hitting percentage as an absolute indicator that Evan is a better sideout player here are numerous refutes that are pretty hagen/evan specific. 1. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture aces which Evan gets aced a good bit more than Hagen. I also don’t think it captures situations where they’re sending over junk which also happens way more. It also doesn’t capture situations where Evan forced Troy field into going over in a bad way - which happened plenty. 2. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture hagen executing on shorter serves and giving Logan easy option balls. 3. # of digs impacts hitting percentage - more swings from non ideal positions. 4. Against more undersized lower level teams/blockers, evan is going to just outjump teams and have a disproportionately high hitting percentage. However, from my memory he got absolutely eaten alive by higher level bigger blocker teams for the most part. Hagen being more of a spread the ball around guy is going to be a bit more susceptible to giving away some balls on picking the wrong shot- which is an area of improvement for where he can still be better and reach a higher level aka the Miles Evans evolution for all of you who 2 years ago were saying he’d peaked. 5. If you want talk about who’s better in sideout, let’s use sideout percentage, not hitting percentage. If we don’t have sideout percentage, let’s not present hitting percentage as gospel. ***edit: .050 difference in hitting percentage is marginal particularly in a calculation that amplifies the effect of errors/getting blocked.
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Post by ajm on Mar 21, 2024 13:55:14 GMT -5
dayam... Hagen has Logan playing like I've never seen before... like an actual professional. Coach Hagen. Put Evan in Hagen's place and this is straights 18-18 and going home.
Where did this Webber come from? Never mind, I already answered that question. Not many errors, great blocks, solid serving. Solid serve receive.
Maybe Logan is 2022 Andy. My prediction of the Grimalts qualifying for Paris easily doesn’t look so good anymore.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 15:41:27 GMT -5
dayam... Hagen has Logan playing like I've never seen before... like an actual professional. Coach Hagen. Put Evan in Hagen's place and this is straights 18-18 and going home.
Where did this Webber come from? Never mind, I already answered that question. Not many errors, great blocks, solid serving. Solid serve receive. My prediction of the Grimalts qualifying for Paris easily doesn’t look so good anymore. I know, right? They really needed to get some momentum going.
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 21, 2024 15:49:18 GMT -5
Another showdown of brothers on court 2!!
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Post by guest2 on Mar 21, 2024 16:19:19 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now Why? Probably no mens player from the US I like more than Hagen, maybe Bomgren. I dont think he is very good, but I root for him and love his dedication. As for the "he never could have accomplished this with Evan," those two took a 4th at a Challenge last year so qualifying wouldn't exactly be unprecedented for Logan. Beating a team with the Grimalts pedigree is very impressive though. hope they can win the next round also.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 21, 2024 16:43:33 GMT -5
I expected Hagen to cover on Logan's attacks, and that paid off a couple of times. I expected Hagen to put up sets right in Logan's window and make the right call. I expected Hagen to get a couple of aces. I didn't expect the effect he has on Logan. I'm listening through mixing headphones, and I can hear all the dialogue clearly. Hagen is IN CHARGE out there. Directing Logan what to do on every point. But then there is Logan's block... wow.
This is an awesome insight about what’s changed for Logan playing with Hagen vs. with Cory. Cuz I also think Logan’s been better with hagen than with Cory. Getting a couple swings a match covered vs. your partner fell over when he set your in system pass (call it the Mewhirter) is huge. Being able to just go execute and turn your brain off vs. Logan was prolly a big part of the defensive design process with Evan is also huge. With regards to guest2 commenting hitting percentage as an absolute indicator that Evan is a better sideout player here are numerous refutes that are pretty hagen/evan specific. 1. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture aces which Evan gets aced a good bit more than Hagen. I also don’t think it captures situations where they’re sending over junk which also happens way more. It also doesn’t capture situations where Evan forced Troy field into going over in a bad way - which happened plenty. 2. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture hagen executing on shorter serves and giving Logan easy option balls. 3. # of digs impacts hitting percentage - more swings from non ideal positions. 4. Against more undersized lower level teams/blockers, evan is going to just outjump teams and have a disproportionately high hitting percentage. However, from my memory he got absolutely eaten alive by higher level bigger blocker teams for the most part. Hagen being more of a spread the ball around guy is going to be a bit more susceptible to giving away some balls on picking the wrong shot- which is an area of improvement for where he can still be better and reach a higher level aka the Miles Evans evolution for all of you who 2 years ago were saying he’d peaked. 5. If you want talk about who’s better in sideout, let’s use sideout percentage, not hitting percentage. If we don’t have sideout percentage, let’s not present hitting percentage as gospel. ***edit: .050 difference in hitting percentage is marginal particularly in a calculation that amplifies the effect of errors/getting blocked. How does hitting percentage magnify the impact of errors and getting blocked? a .50 percent difference in hitting percentage is far from marginal. Its the difference between Partain and Cody Caldwell or Andy and Chaim for example. It only seems marginal if you think of hitting percentage as a range of 1000, but it really is not. For full-time main draw players, hitting percentage only varies by about 200 points. The highest hitting percentages for the last two years were Miles in 2023 at .512 and Chase in 2022 at .497. The lowest hitting percentages for serious players were Nick in 2022 at .292 and Brewster in 2023 at .290. So we are talking about a range of .225-.200 points maximum from the best hitting percentage to the worst on the entire AVP. Evan beating Hagen by 100 points in 2022 and by 53 points in 2023 are huge gaps. (50% of the available range in 2022 and 22-25% in 2023). Maybe Logan really has improved a ton playing with Hagen. But we have seen these false dawns with Logan before with Hyden and with Evan. And lets not forget in their last four AVP events this team lost in 2 to Cody/Cook and Bomgren/Lotman, went 3 with three different Q teams, and beat Tri/Chaim. This team has wild ups and downs.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 16:47:50 GMT -5
I've not seen this SUI team before, and they are really good. Fundamentally solid, power, speed, great serving. I don't thing Treo would be winning this particular matchup.
PS. Smith doesn't seem himself.... and aas I write this.. he get's an ace.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 16:55:06 GMT -5
Logan big block. Tied in 2nd set.
Logan block starting to get into the SUI defender's head.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 17:02:03 GMT -5
Oh well, strong comeback finished just shy of the line.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 21, 2024 17:04:28 GMT -5
whatta serve to finish it
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Post by poorlambourne on Mar 21, 2024 17:11:37 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now Why? Probably no mens player from the US I like more than Hagen, maybe Bomgren. I dont think he is very good, but I root for him and love his dedication. As for the "he never could have accomplished this with Evan," those two took a 4th at a Challenge last year so qualifying wouldn't exactly be unprecedented for Logan. Beating a team with the Grimalts pedigree is very impressive though. hope they can win the next round also. guest2 and not having a sense of humor, name a better duo
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 21, 2024 19:25:04 GMT -5
I've not seen this SUI team before, and they are really good. Fundamentally solid, power, speed, great serving. I don't thing Treo would be winning this particular matchup.
PS. Smith doesn't seem himself.... and aas I write this.. he get's an ace.
I think Métral used to play with Haussner iirc. I didn’t recognize the other guy.
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Post by VolleyballMag on Mar 21, 2024 20:02:39 GMT -5
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