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Post by guest2 on Mar 15, 2024 19:44:40 GMT -5
Evan is a better sideout player than Hagen (.408 to .355 hitting percentage in 2023, and .466. to .366 in 2022). He is also a better setter. And his poor fundamentals also indicate a greater upside because he has more room to improve technically. Other than hand setting, which I don't get why Hagen doesn't already do exclusively, where does he have much room for growth? He seems pretty maxed out athletically and his skills don't seem likely to get much better. I doubt either gets there, but to reach the level that Trevor Crabb has, Evan needs to improve his fundamentals and feel for the game. Hagen has to grow. (At 28 thats a big ask). Since you are able to quote hitting %, can you look up avg 1st round seed opponent? It would be good to base the % off like opponents. I think Evan parntering with Troy got some good seeding advantages, quick look, Hermosa and MBO were E&T we 5th seeds, giving them weaker opponents to play against. Only considering Pro events, since thats all the AVP seems to count for their stats, Cory had a small advantage in seeding. Hagen had a higher seed in New Orleans 7 to 9, then comparing Huntington to Miami (only one of them played each) Hagen was 8 and Cory 11. Hagen was also a 9 in Chicago to Evan's 10. In Hermosa, Atlanta, and Manhattan, Evan had a better seed by a bigger margin (5, 8, 5 to 10, 12, 10). So seeds are a narrow edge to Evan, and Hagen was 2-4 in his first round matches, while Evan was 3-3. But looking at the teams they played, other than Hagen playing Mudinger once, I can't see any real gap there. (and the difference between the two teams in how often they lost is really because Hagen lost to Travis as a 7 seed) I also looked at which teams had played a "top" team and how often and that was 5-4 for Hagen. So overall I would say not much difference in quality of opposition in Pro events I would also say that losing in the first round isnt really a big disadvantage from a statistical perspective (this is just an inference) because when you lose first round you get the easiest match on the AVP, the first round losers. That match is a great opportunity to pile up good stats against a likely Q opponent.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 18, 2024 16:44:36 GMT -5
Hagen has great hops, a great serve, and as you say, a good understanding of the flow of the game. Other than hand setting, which I don't get why Hagen doesn't already do exclusively, where does he have much room for growth? at UCLA he was a backup setter, so I agree it is odd that he bump sets primarily. My thoughts on Hagen changed when I watched him in the King of the Beach last summer... maybe Germany. He was really solid and his serve generated a lot of points. As to hitting %, of course quality of sets matters, as well as how many opportunities were from diving digs that Hagen got to that Evan wouldn't get close to. I mean he did well with Dietrich, so you knew two years ago that maybe he was starting to break through.
I doubt they'll get past Heidrich/Dillier in Q1, so I don't expect I'll get to see a lot of him unless Dillier makes a lot of youthful mistakes.
Yes, height is always a factor, but I'm biased toward the lesser length good skills guy over the less skills longer guy.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 18, 2024 16:56:28 GMT -5
Other than hand setting, which I don't get why Hagen doesn't already do exclusively, where does he have much room for growth? at UCLA he was a backup setter, so I agree it is odd that he bump sets primarily. My thoughts on Hagen changed when I watched him in the King of the Beach last summer... maybe Germany. He was really solid and his serve generated a lot of points. As to hitting %, of course quality of sets matters, as well as how many opportunities were from diving digs that Hagen got to that Evan wouldn't get close to. I mean he did well with Dietrich, so you knew two years ago that maybe he was starting to break through. And also many easy transition opportunities where Hagen got a dig then hit a good set against the other team's defender (who was blocking because it was transition). I'd be fine with the argument if the difference in hitting percentage was marginal. But it wasn't. You know who really comes off badly in this comparison though? Logan Webber. I knew he got most of the serves when he played with Evan at the start of the year, so I thought I would compare that to when he played with Hagen to see who other teams perceived as the stronger attacker. But having compared a few events, it looks like Logan got most of the serves playing with Evan and most of the serves playing with Hagen. When you are 6'7 and teams dont want to serve your 5'10 partner, you need to up your game
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 18, 2024 17:02:16 GMT -5
As to hitting %, of course quality of sets matters, You know who really comes off badly in this comparison though? Logan Webber.., it looks like Logan got most of the serves playing with Evan and most of the serves playing with Hagen. When you are 6'7 and teams don't want to serve your 5'10 partner, you need to up your game so hilarious and so true.
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Post by beachcoach on Mar 20, 2024 15:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 21, 2024 10:41:48 GMT -5
Anyone else tuning in for the battle of the brothers on 3?
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 11:23:03 GMT -5
Anyone else tuning in for the battle of the brothers on 3? yes, exciting, going down to the wire
I do find it surprising that one of the Samoilovs, after Aye taped out on a serve... "Yeah!, Yes, come on, let's do it. Let's go." I didn't know Latvian was so close to English. Well, I guess they both have Indo European as an ancestor language.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 11:37:17 GMT -5
Looks like Center Court is running about 45-60 minutes behind. Smith/Webber up after current match on center court completes.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 21, 2024 12:37:43 GMT -5
Looks like Center Court is running about 45-60 minutes behind. Smith/Webber up after current match on center court completes. Logan making some big plays, trying to close it out
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 12:43:04 GMT -5
just side out now for the upset
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 12:44:07 GMT -5
dayam... Hagen has Logan playing like I've never seen before... like an actual professional. Coach Hagen. Put Evan in Hagen's place and this is straights 18-18 and going home.
Where did this Webber come from? Never mind, I already answered that question. Not many errors, great blocks, solid serving. Solid serve receive.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 21, 2024 12:44:12 GMT -5
Boa Smeber!!
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Post by poorlambourne on Mar 21, 2024 12:46:59 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 21, 2024 12:52:33 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now I expected Hagen to cover on Logan's attacks, and that paid off a couple of times. I expected Hagen to put up sets right in Logan's window and make the right call. I expected Hagen to get a couple of aces. I didn't expect the effect he has on Logan. I'm listening through mixing headphones, and I can hear all the dialogue clearly. Hagen is IN CHARGE out there. Directing Logan what to do on every point.
But then there is Logan's block... wow.
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 21, 2024 12:54:47 GMT -5
Guest2 is a wreck right now I expected Hagen to cover on Logan's attacks, and that paid off a couple of times. I expected Hagen to put up sets right in Logan's window and make the right call. I expected Hagen to get a couple of aces. I didn't expect the effect he has on Logan. I'm listening through mixing headphones, and I can hear all the dialogue clearly. Hagen is IN CHARGE out there. Directing Logan what to do on every point.
But then there is Logan's block... wow.
Oh yeah? I missed that -watched on mute the whole way.
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