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Post by cribbit on Mar 21, 2024 23:48:51 GMT -5
Samilovs posting on IG that his match had two red cards, anyone catch what happened?
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Post by ajm on Mar 21, 2024 23:59:10 GMT -5
Samilovs posting on IG that his match had two red cards, anyone catch what happened? Still not sure what happened here. At 4:09:10 if the timestamp doesn't work. |
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Post by blackmambabeto on Mar 22, 2024 0:38:19 GMT -5
Samilovs posting on IG that his match had two red cards, anyone catch what happened? Still not sure what happened here. At 4:09:10 if the timestamp doesn't work. Lions gonna lion and roar from time to time 🤣 |
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Post by frieswiththat on Mar 22, 2024 1:29:23 GMT -5
Samilovs posting on IG that his match had two red cards, anyone catch what happened? A. Samoilovs soft blocked the lefty Aye, but then off the cover play Aye got a thunderous kill and kinda yelled across the net. Then A. Samoilovs walked back to the net and yelled back at which point Aye yelled back. Kinda funny when you rewatch it. Not sure if A. Samoilovs getting 2 or 3 nasty stuff blocks earlier in the match on both? Aye brothers had anything to do with Aye celebrating a bit more emphatically on that play. Both players and teams seemed to be pretty good sportsmen the rest of the match - still slapping hands on side changes and light hugs at the end. So kudos to them keeping their emotions in check after the red cards. I don't know a lot about A. Samoilovs or the Aye brothers, but the little bit I've seen before all three can get pretty intense at times and celebrate loudly perhaps just trying to pump up themselves / their partners. I guess in certain situations some players see it as too much or directed across the net. |
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Post by overonone on Mar 22, 2024 1:30:26 GMT -5
What do you think of the American men’s pools? Who has the best chance of advancing?
Theo/Trev have Spain, Latvia and Pristauz/Seidl
Chaim/Tri have Argentina, Horl/Horst, Evandro/Arthur
Bud/Evans have Ukraine, Aus and Varenhorst/Luini
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Post by guest2 on Mar 22, 2024 4:28:01 GMT -5
I've not seen this SUI team before, and they are really good. Fundamentally solid, power, speed, great serving. I don't thing Treo would be winning this particular matchup. PS. Smith doesn't seem himself.... and aas I write this.. he get's an ace.
The defender seems pretty solid but Theo is eating the blocker and those predictable shoot sets alive at the net. |
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Post by stephenasinjin on Mar 22, 2024 8:41:51 GMT -5
This is an awesome insight about what’s changed for Logan playing with Hagen vs. with Cory. Cuz I also think Logan’s been better with hagen than with Cory. Getting a couple swings a match covered vs. your partner fell over when he set your in system pass (call it the Mewhirter) is huge. Being able to just go execute and turn your brain off vs. Logan was prolly a big part of the defensive design process with Evan is also huge. With regards to guest2 commenting hitting percentage as an absolute indicator that Evan is a better sideout player here are numerous refutes that are pretty hagen/evan specific. 1. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture aces which Evan gets aced a good bit more than Hagen. I also don’t think it captures situations where they’re sending over junk which also happens way more. It also doesn’t capture situations where Evan forced Troy field into going over in a bad way - which happened plenty. 2. Hitting percentage doesn’t capture hagen executing on shorter serves and giving Logan easy option balls. 3. # of digs impacts hitting percentage - more swings from non ideal positions. 4. Against more undersized lower level teams/blockers, evan is going to just outjump teams and have a disproportionately high hitting percentage. However, from my memory he got absolutely eaten alive by higher level bigger blocker teams for the most part. Hagen being more of a spread the ball around guy is going to be a bit more susceptible to giving away some balls on picking the wrong shot- which is an area of improvement for where he can still be better and reach a higher level aka the Miles Evans evolution for all of you who 2 years ago were saying he’d peaked. 5. If you want talk about who’s better in sideout, let’s use sideout percentage, not hitting percentage. If we don’t have sideout percentage, let’s not present hitting percentage as gospel. ***edit: .050 difference in hitting percentage is marginal particularly in a calculation that amplifies the effect of errors/getting blocked. How does hitting percentage magnify the impact of errors and getting blocked? a .50 percent difference in hitting percentage is far from marginal. Its the difference between Partain and Cody Caldwell or Andy and Chaim for example. It only seems marginal if you think of hitting percentage as a range of 1000, but it really is not. For full-time main draw players, hitting percentage only varies by about 200 points. The highest hitting percentages for the last two years were Miles in 2023 at .512 and Chase in 2022 at .497. The lowest hitting percentages for serious players were Nick in 2022 at .292 and Brewster in 2023 at .290. So we are talking about a range of .225-.200 points maximum from the best hitting percentage to the worst on the entire AVP. Evan beating Hagen by 100 points in 2022 and by 53 points in 2023 are huge gaps. (50% of the available range in 2022 and 22-25% in 2023). Maybe Logan really has improved a ton playing with Hagen. But we have seen these false dawns with Logan before with Hyden and with Evan. And lets not forget in their last four AVP events this team lost in 2 to Cody/Cook and Bomgren/Lotman, went 3 with three different Q teams, and beat Tri/Chaim. This team has wild ups and downs. How does the hitting percentage Calc magnify the impact of errors/blocked? Look at the formula: (kills-errors)/attempts. (Blocked for a point counts as an error). Every time you get blocked or error it double dips in how it counts against you. You’re not getting the kill, and then it’s also subtracting from your total. The correlation between hitting percentage and match outcome is way less visible than sideout percentage. Sideout percentage is one slight mental math check away from “how many opportunities for reals is a team getting. Looking at a hitting percentage and extrapolating into what’s actually happening in a match is a bit of a black box. We see teams with a slightly higher hitting percentage lose matches semi regularly for a variety of the reasons I listed in my previous comment. Also, why in the world are we referencing 2022 stats like it strengthens your argument? It’s freaking irrelevant. Players make adjustments, get better all the time, even somewhat drastically during the season yet you talk about them like every single pro has plateaued. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 22, 2024 9:30:56 GMT -5
How does hitting percentage magnify the impact of errors and getting blocked? a .50 percent difference in hitting percentage is far from marginal. Its the difference between Partain and Cody Caldwell or Andy and Chaim for example. It only seems marginal if you think of hitting percentage as a range of 1000, but it really is not. For full-time main draw players, hitting percentage only varies by about 200 points. The highest hitting percentages for the last two years were Miles in 2023 at .512 and Chase in 2022 at .497. The lowest hitting percentages for serious players were Nick in 2022 at .292 and Brewster in 2023 at .290. So we are talking about a range of .225-.200 points maximum from the best hitting percentage to the worst on the entire AVP. Evan beating Hagen by 100 points in 2022 and by 53 points in 2023 are huge gaps. (50% of the available range in 2022 and 22-25% in 2023). Maybe Logan really has improved a ton playing with Hagen. But we have seen these false dawns with Logan before with Hyden and with Evan. And lets not forget in their last four AVP events this team lost in 2 to Cody/Cook and Bomgren/Lotman, went 3 with three different Q teams, and beat Tri/Chaim. This team has wild ups and downs. How does the hitting percentage Calc magnify the impact of errors/blocked? Look at the formula: (kills-errors)/attempts. (Blocked for a point counts as an error). Every time you get blocked or error it double dips in how it counts against you. You’re not getting the kill, and then it’s also subtracting from your total. The correlation between hitting percentage and match outcome is way less visible than sideout percentage. Sideout percentage is one slight mental math check away from “how many opportunities for reals is a team getting. Looking at a hitting percentage and extrapolating into what’s actually happening in a match is a bit of a black box. We see teams with a slightly higher hitting percentage lose matches semi regularly for a variety of the reasons I listed in my previous comment. Also, why in the world are we referencing 2022 stats like it strengthens your argument? It’s freaking irrelevant. Players make adjustments, get better all the time, even somewhat drastically during the season yet you talk about them like every single pro has plateaued. Evan didn't have a slightly higher hitting percentage, he had a massively higher hitting percentage in 2022 and a much higher hitting percentage in 2023 - despite having a down year. (Hagen was slightly higher in 2022) Also why wouldn't 2022 matter? Hagen played 21 matches in Pro Series events last year (no Challenge or Elites) so its not like we have a huge sample size. Adding more events to the sample gives a more accurate impression of overall level of play unless there is reason to think some big change has occurred. Whats more likely, 1) Hagen improved drastically at 28, five years after his first full year on tour, but in a way that was not reflected in finishes or stats or 2) His 2022 stats are relevant as to his abilities? Also many people, including myself, thought that Evan, rather than plateauing, had a down year in 2023. So his actual level is likely somewhere in the middle of his 2022 numbers and 2023 stats. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 22, 2024 10:33:21 GMT -5
I expected Hagen to cover on Logan's attacks, and that paid off a couple of times. I expected Hagen to put up sets right in Logan's window and make the right call. I expected Hagen to get a couple of aces. I didn't expect the effect he has on Logan. I'm listening through mixing headphones, and I can hear all the dialogue clearly. Hagen is IN CHARGE out there. Directing Logan what to do on every point. But then there is Logan's block... wow.
4. Against more undersized lower level teams/blockers, evan is going to just outjump teams and have a disproportionately high hitting percentage. However, from my memory he got absolutely eaten alive by higher level bigger blocker teams for the most part. Hagen being more of a spread the ball around guy is going to be a bit more susceptible to giving away some balls on picking the wrong shot- which is an area of improvement for where he can still be better and reach a higher level aka the Miles Evans evolution for all of you who 2 years ago were saying he’d peaked. This was an interesting suggestion, maybe Hagen actually hit a better percentage against top teams and Evan's efficiency came way down. I had time while I was watching the Swiss match, so I checked. In 2023, Hagen played against the top 4 teams (Menesh, Crabb, Crabb, Mudinger) six times. One of those matches, against Mudinger in Atlanta the system didn't record attempts so there was no hitting percentage. In the other 5 matches, the best Hagen hit was .529 against the Taylors in Miami. His percentages in the other 4 matches? .133, .150, .095, .125. Evan only played 4 matches against top 4 teams. His percentages were .385, .333, .267, and .174. If we average those numbers (which is not perfect because the attempts are not equal in each match) we get: Against better teams, Hagen is at .206 or way below his normal efficiency Against better teams, Hagen is at .290, also well below his normal efficiency, but much higher than Hagen. In 2022 - which you assert should not count - Hagen was .317, .121, .296, .000, .417 for an average of .230 In 2022 - which you assert should not count - Evan was .182, .385, .500, .571, .467, .400, .419 for an average of .417 In two years, Hagen was under .200 against top teams most of the time. In contrast, Evan was over .300 about 80% of the time. There just isn't a reasonable argument that Hagen is a better sideout player than Evan. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 22, 2024 10:54:48 GMT -5
These Euro teams cannot handle the heat. Varenhorst playing D when serving in game 2? May as well just forfeit
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 22, 2024 11:01:27 GMT -5
These Euro teams cannot handle the heat. Varenhorst playing D when serving in game 2? May as well just forfeit Might bode well for Cri coming up here on 3 v Hörl/Horst? |
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 22, 2024 11:03:55 GMT -5
Ouch. Tri called for a lift on point one.
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 22, 2024 11:12:20 GMT -5
There seems to be a pretty clear « good side ». Pretty streaky so far with most points coming on the far side. It’s a little tough to see exactly what the wind is doing though.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 22, 2024 11:26:02 GMT -5
Cri tried hard to lose that first game, but Austria just wanted it a little less
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 22, 2024 11:40:14 GMT -5
Cri tried hard to lose that first game, but Austria just wanted it a little less And now AUT just handing away the 2nd. Must be the heat. |
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