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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 9, 2024 18:42:05 GMT -5
Tri (Good at everything, trying too hard to do more now, desperate needs a new partner) Agree with all three points.
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Post by houdini on Apr 10, 2024 0:16:34 GMT -5
The men's elite sport is falling apart. I assume Theo retires after the Olympics or from FIVB in 2025, as he is currently 39. Chaim turns 38 this month, Chase turns 36 next month, so he'd be 40 for 2028. Tri, Miles E & Trevor turn 35 at some point this year. So, currently outside of Andy/Miles: These are the players who finished in the top ten at MBO last year (added Evan, he took 13th) that are under 33 (under 37 for 2028). TayCrab (32) TaySander (32) Logan (28) Hagan (29) Cody (31) Evan (26) Caleb (21) Jake Urrutia (29) Gage (20) Diego Perez (23) any indoor cross ❎ vers who are outright super tall blockers with good ball control who won’t make 2028 indoors but beach could be an option? A real gerontocracy. And not much in the pipeline. Lack of NCAA beach really hurts.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 10, 2024 1:51:31 GMT -5
any indoor cross ❎ vers who are outright super tall blockers with good ball control who won’t make 2028 indoors but beach could be an option? A real gerontocracy. And not much in the pipeline. Lack of NCAA beach really hurts. And this quad the average age of the top 10 US players has actually gone down from 35 to around 33. Unfortunately there really aren't any exciting under 25 prospects, four years ago there was at least Miles P. Maybe Basey to some extent this time around. He's a big defender at least.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Apr 10, 2024 6:44:34 GMT -5
I was going to go in greater detail, just didn't have the time. I'm not ready to judge this year's results too harsh, since it's still been early( shouldn't be an excuse). The Tri/Chase is a complex choice, Chase knows how to be a professional athlete, so if he's competing, I think he's prepared. The Hawaii gang, I'm not so sure about. Also hard for me to judge Tri with Chaim, who seems to be behind the others in performance. The men's elite sport is falling apart. I assume Theo retires after the Olympics or from FIVB in 2025, as he is currently 39. Chaim turns 38 this month, Chase turns 36 next month, so he'd be 40 for 2028. Tri, Miles E & Trevor turn 35 at some point this year. So, currently outside of Andy/Miles: These are the players who finished in the top ten at MBO last year (added Evan, he took 13th) that are under 33 (under 37 for 2028). TayCrab (32) TaySander (32) Logan (28) Hagan (29) Cody (31) Evan (26) Caleb (21) Jake Urrutia (29) Gage (20) Diego Perez (23) any indoor cross ❎ vers who are outright super tall blockers with good ball control who won’t make 2028 indoors but beach could be an option? Here are the Men's beach collegiate roster, not sure any of these would be ready for 2028. I think Kyle Paulson and Ryan Smith may be the best BIG options. Ryan has probably played the most beach from this list of bigs. Heath Hughes played in a few beach tourneys if FL a couple of years ago, hasn't played much recently. Men Name (Birth Year, Height, Hometown, College, USAV Region) Ben Braun (2002, 6-11, Rancho Mirage, Calif., Ohio State University, Southern California) Kupono Browne (2002, 6-5, Honolulu, Hawaii, BYU, Aloha) Nato Dickinson (2002, 6-7, Corona Del Mar, Calif., Long Beach State University, Southern California) Matthew Edwards (2003, 6-8, Irvine, Calif., UCLA, Southern California) Jackson Hickman (2000, 6-4, Phoenix, Ariz., Grand Canyon University, Arizona) Heath Hughes (2000, 6-8, Haines City, Fla., BYU, Florida) Thomas Hurst (2004, 6-4, Plano, Texas, NA, North Texas) Jaylen Jasper (1999, 6-7, Annapolis, Md. Pepperdine, Chesapeake) Kyle Paulson (2002, 6-8, Long Beach, Calif., University of Southern California, Southern California) Sebastian Rodriguez (2001, 6-4, Hermosa Beach, Calif., Long Beach State, Southern California) Ryan Smith (2001, 6-8, Parker, Colo., Vanguard University, Rocky Mountain) usavolleyball.org/beach-national-team/beach-collegiate-team/
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Post by ccfan24 on Apr 10, 2024 11:05:30 GMT -5
any indoor cross ❎ vers who are outright super tall blockers with good ball control who won’t make 2028 indoors but beach could be an option? Here are the Men's beach collegiate roster, not sure any of these would be ready for 2028. I think Kyle Paulson and Ryan Smith may be the best BIG options. Ryan has probably played the most beach from this list of bigs. Heath Hughes played in a few beach tourneys if FL a couple of years ago, hasn't played much recently. Men Name (Birth Year, Height, Hometown, College, USAV Region) Ben Braun (2002, 6-11, Rancho Mirage, Calif., Ohio State University, Southern California) Kupono Browne (2002, 6-5, Honolulu, Hawaii, BYU, Aloha) Nato Dickinson (2002, 6-7, Corona Del Mar, Calif., Long Beach State University, Southern California) Matthew Edwards (2003, 6-8, Irvine, Calif., UCLA, Southern California) Jackson Hickman (2000, 6-4, Phoenix, Ariz., Grand Canyon University, Arizona) Heath Hughes (2000, 6-8, Haines City, Fla., BYU, Florida) Thomas Hurst (2004, 6-4, Plano, Texas, NA, North Texas) Jaylen Jasper (1999, 6-7, Annapolis, Md. Pepperdine, Chesapeake) Kyle Paulson (2002, 6-8, Long Beach, Calif., University of Southern California, Southern California) Sebastian Rodriguez (2001, 6-4, Hermosa Beach, Calif., Long Beach State, Southern California) Ryan Smith (2001, 6-8, Parker, Colo., Vanguard University, Rocky Mountain) usavolleyball.org/beach-national-team/beach-collegiate-team/Man, all these birth years of 2000+ has me feeling some kind of way....old....haha. Anyway, I believe Grant Sloane, the 6'8" oppo at UCLA has played some international beach ball for USA in the past.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 10, 2024 11:43:37 GMT -5
any indoor cross ❎ vers who are outright super tall blockers with good ball control who won’t make 2028 indoors but beach could be an option? Lack of (men's) NCAA beach really hurts. This.
If it were not for the NCAA paying amateurs to play Beach via pure Beach scholarships (Claes, Hughes, Sponcil (Indoor/Beach split), Nuss, Kloth (Indoor, then Beach), Kraft, Scoles (Indoor, then Beach), Cannon, all of whom were ranked within the top 5 USA teams in the past couple of years, then also Larson, Harward, and at least half dozen more at least partial Beach scholarships, where would USA Women's Beach be? Probably exactly where USA Men are... one team top 10, none in the top 4.
NCAA also funded int'l teams the McTwins, ESP1, half of CAN2, and half of CAN3. Some more int'l players who were funded by NCAA also but can't remember at the moment.
AVP + FIVB + puny sponsorships on the men's side makes Beach a "lifestyle" decision for any man currently under 30. Money started dropping in FIVB around 2017, with the exception of World/Pro Tour Finals... and that only works for two teams per year. Money dropping in AVP this year, and possibly severely depending on how things play out.
Agree with sentiments above that on the men's side it has to be a world class Indoor player around 28, 30 at the latest, who wants to switch over. Not a pure Middle (limited attacking skills plus limited serve receive skills), probably not a pure Opposite (serve receive issues). Priddy, Sander, perfect but Priddy waited too long and Sander needs to be a defender.
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Post by ajm on Apr 10, 2024 12:09:20 GMT -5
Lack of (men's) NCAA beach really hurts. This.
If it were not for the NCAA paying amateurs to play Beach via pure Beach scholarships (Claes, Hughes, Sponcil (Indoor/Beach split), Nuss, Kloth (Indoor, then Beach), Kraft, Scoles (Indoor, then Beach), Cannon, all of whom were ranked within the top 5 USA teams in the past couple of years, then also Larson, Harward, and at least half dozen more at least partial Beach scholarships, where would USA Women's Beach be? Probably exactly where USA Men are... one team top 10, none in the top 4.
NCAA also funded int'l teams the McTwins, ESP1, half of CAN2, and half of CAN3. Some more int'l players who were funded by NCAA also but can't remember at the moment. Yet somehow Europe and Brazil seem to be able develop young beach talent without a college system. I also wonder about the future of the NCAA. Will it still exist in five years? Seems like it's involved in so many lawsuits these days, any one of them could bring the whole thing down. Can college beach volleyball survive on its own?
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Post by bvblove on Apr 10, 2024 13:58:53 GMT -5
The ‘experiment’ of taking a successful indoor team/player and switching to beach has failed in Europe with the French federation spending a fortune to match the income generated by Lyneel/Bassereau in their pro teams, added all the resources, support, wild cards… and yet it has not produced an Olympic team…
The women’s NCAA model, on the other hand, is proving to be successful, at least from a results perspective, and especially if you look at the trajectory over the last few years….
Would it work with men?
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Post by boysbeachvolleyball on Apr 10, 2024 15:09:30 GMT -5
Collegiate Beach will absolutely work with men, but it would require some focus on teams taking athletes with the right physical, mental, and skills potential. It would be great to see men’s collegiate beach at a few universities in Southern Cal, and get the pipeline started.
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Post by poorlambourne on Apr 10, 2024 15:18:42 GMT -5
Collegiate Beach will absolutely work with men, but it would require some focus on teams taking athletes with the right physical, mental, and skills potential. What does this even mean? Isn’t that what all college sports want to do?
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Post by guest2 on Apr 10, 2024 15:44:57 GMT -5
The ‘experiment’ of taking a successful indoor team/player and switching to beach has failed in Europe with the French federation spending a fortune to match the income generated by Lyneel/Bassereau in their pro teams, added all the resources, support, wild cards… and yet it has not produced an Olympic team… The women’s NCAA model, on the other hand, is proving to be successful, at least from a results perspective, and especially if you look at the trajectory over the last few years…. Would it work with men? It failed with one team? If we are to judge based on that sample size, then what federations should be looking at is helping semi-pro baseball players make the transition
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Post by guest2 on Apr 10, 2024 16:19:05 GMT -5
Lack of (men's) NCAA beach really hurts. This.
If it were not for the NCAA paying amateurs to play Beach via pure Beach scholarships (Claes, Hughes, Sponcil (Indoor/Beach split), Nuss, Kloth (Indoor, then Beach), Kraft, Scoles (Indoor, then Beach), Cannon, all of whom were ranked within the top 5 USA teams in the past couple of years, then also Larson, Harward, and at least half dozen more at least partial Beach scholarships, where would USA Women's Beach be? Probably exactly where USA Men are... one team top 10, none in the top 4.
NCAA also funded int'l teams the McTwins, ESP1, half of CAN2, and half of CAN3. Some more int'l players who were funded by NCAA also but can't remember at the moment. AVP + FIVB + puny sponsorships on the men's side makes Beach a "lifestyle" decision for any man currently under 30. Money started dropping in FIVB around 2017, with the exception of World/Pro Tour Finals... and that only works for two teams per year. Money dropping in AVP this year, and possibly severely depending on how things play out. Agree with sentiments above that on the men's side it has to be a world class Indoor player around 28, 30 at the latest, who wants to switch over. Not a pure Middle (limited attacking skills plus limited serve receive skills), probably not a pure Opposite (serve receive issues). Priddy, Sander, perfect but Priddy waited too long and Sander needs to be a defender.
Agree with most of this, but with regards to the last part, Andy Benesh was a pure middle - I think - with very limited ball control and an unsuitable swing and he has done fine. I'd say with a serious two-year commitment almost any young player at the national team level could probably make the switch successfully and there are likely dozens at the higher levels of college also.
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Post by bvblove on Apr 10, 2024 16:42:10 GMT -5
The ‘experiment’ of taking a successful indoor team/player and switching to beach has failed in Europe with the French federation spending a fortune to match the income generated by Lyneel/Bassereau in their pro teams, added all the resources, support, wild cards… and yet it has not produced an Olympic team… The women’s NCAA model, on the other hand, is proving to be successful, at least from a results perspective, and especially if you look at the trajectory over the last few years…. Would it work with men? It failed with one team? If we are to judge based on that sample size, then what federations should be looking at is helping semi-pro baseball players make the transition
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Post by bvblove on Apr 10, 2024 16:45:51 GMT -5
It failed with one team? If we are to judge based on that sample size, then what federations should be looking at is helping semi-pro baseball players make the transition It was just the most recent and most obvious example. The reasons could be of any sort (maybe the choice of players?) but the fact that they couldn’t make it work after everything they have thrown at this team and for such a long time, does say something in my opinion
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Post by poorlambourne on Apr 10, 2024 18:21:13 GMT -5
This.
If it were not for the NCAA paying amateurs to play Beach via pure Beach scholarships (Claes, Hughes, Sponcil (Indoor/Beach split), Nuss, Kloth (Indoor, then Beach), Kraft, Scoles (Indoor, then Beach), Cannon, all of whom were ranked within the top 5 USA teams in the past couple of years, then also Larson, Harward, and at least half dozen more at least partial Beach scholarships, where would USA Women's Beach be? Probably exactly where USA Men are... one team top 10, none in the top 4.
NCAA also funded int'l teams the McTwins, ESP1, half of CAN2, and half of CAN3. Some more int'l players who were funded by NCAA also but can't remember at the moment. AVP + FIVB + puny sponsorships on the men's side makes Beach a "lifestyle" decision for any man currently under 30. Money started dropping in FIVB around 2017, with the exception of World/Pro Tour Finals... and that only works for two teams per year. Money dropping in AVP this year, and possibly severely depending on how things play out. Agree with sentiments above that on the men's side it has to be a world class Indoor player around 28, 30 at the latest, who wants to switch over. Not a pure Middle (limited attacking skills plus limited serve receive skills), probably not a pure Opposite (serve receive issues). Priddy, Sander, perfect but Priddy waited too long and Sander needs to be a defender.
Agree with most of this, but with regards to the last part, Andy Benesh was a pure middle - I think - with very limited ball control and an unsuitable swing and he has done fine. I'd say with a serious two-year commitment almost any young player at the national team level could probably make the switch successfully and there are likely dozens at the higher levels of college also. Actually Andy had pretty good ball control for a middle in college and has played beach basically as long as he has played indoor, though obviously not as seriously.
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