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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 17, 2024 23:07:30 GMT -5
1) yes. 2) this is an Elite 16, big difference from a Challenge event. Those are my odds. I have Treo as the most likely team to finish last in Pool C. I would have had them favored over ESP two months ago but ESP has been playing well and seem to be ramping up for Paris. If they break Pool, great, happy for them. In my discussions of Olympic qualifying, it's all about probabilities, not about which teams I like.
You don't have to make everything personal. I root for them to do well in E16, I just wouldn't bet on them with money I could not afford to lose in an E16.
Why is it “embarrassing” to lose to the Grimalts? They haven’t had a great start to the year well, you answered your own question, apparently you're good at rocket science. To refresh your memory, their last three FIVB finishes have been 140, 460, and 140 points. Precisely at a time when they are clearly trying their very best because their Olympic berth is at stake.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 17, 2024 23:08:58 GMT -5
?? discussed ad nauseum but end line view doesn't show set placement relative to the net. Doesn't show whether a ball landed in or out on the half of the court furthest from the camera. Nor is it clear when there is a trickle ace, or just a service error.
Why do you suppose that ... oH, IDK, about 95% volleyball matches, beach or Indoor, have cameras using side view, if end view is superior?
45 degree angle would be a nice blend of side view and end view on Quali courts that can have only one fixed camera.
Do you also prefer end line view in basketball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey and football? I'm sure that is a tell, but not sure of what. The only sport I know that is routinely end line is tennis, but in tennis the net does not obscure the view of balls landing in/out of the far baseline.. Baseball is also kind of end view, most of the time.
There is a reason every volleyball coach sets their camera up behind the endline. maybe because every volleyball coach doesn't have the ability to put a camera 40' in the air at side view and have a camera operator that can pan left and right?
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Post by poorlambourne on Apr 17, 2024 23:12:27 GMT -5
Blocking this old-head that has clearly never been above A level in beach volleyball. Cleansing
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Post by ajm on Apr 18, 2024 0:01:25 GMT -5
?? discussed ad nauseum but end line view doesn't show set placement relative to the net. Doesn't show whether a ball landed in or out on the half of the court furthest from the camera. Nor is it clear when there is a trickle ace, or just a service error.
Why do you suppose that ... oH, IDK, about 95% volleyball matches, beach or Indoor, have cameras using side view, if end view is superior?
45 degree angle would be a nice blend of side view and end view on Quali courts that can have only one fixed camera.
Do you also prefer end line view in basketball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey and football? I'm sure that is a tell, but not sure of what. The only sport I know that is routinely end line is tennis, but in tennis the net does not obscure the view of balls landing in/out of the far baseline.. Baseball is also kind of end view, most of the time.
There is a reason every volleyball coach sets their camera up behind the endline. If only coaches watched volleyball, this sport would be in even worse shape than it already is. I also prefer the sideline angle and won’t apologize for it. But I still enjoy watching matches from the end line when that’s what they give me. To each his own I guess.
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Post by 405LAX on Apr 18, 2024 0:15:35 GMT -5
That was quite possibly the worst performance of their partnership. I don't see how they can get on a plane to China after this. I agree. Just wow. Time to stop throwing good money after bad. I am assuming that the stipend money Tri/Chaim for being Top 3 men's was shifted over to Mudinger recently, and Tri/Chaim are on "runoff" or whatever the word is to describe payments continuing for a few months before they terminate.
Both of them need to start saving their powder for the battle that is the transition into non-Pro-Beach player life. I can't even see them making much money on AVP the way they're playing. No use wasting plane money for Xiamen, or paying a coach at this point.
Every word of this
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Post by volfan21 on Apr 18, 2024 0:16:51 GMT -5
Did you even watch the match? Theo and Trevor just won in Guadalajara, they have a great chance to make it out of pool. 1) yes. 2) this is an Elite 16, big difference from a Challenge event. Those are my odds. I have Treo as the most likely team to finish last in Pool C. I would have had them favored over ESP two months ago but ESP has been playing well and seem to be ramping up for Paris. If they break Pool, great, happy for them. In my discussions of Olympic qualifying, it's all about probabilities, not about which teams I like.
You don't have to make everything personal. I root for them to do well in E16, I just wouldn't bet on them with money I could not afford to lose in an E16.
Umm, are you talking about a different Spanish team?? I had to go back to their recent results and check but their only accomplishment is taking Evandro/Arthur to three in a tournament that Theo/Trevor actually won. Other than that, they lost to Norway 2 and split games with Austria 2 or 3. If anything, I’d have it flipped and favor Spain two months ago. The real advantage they have is that they know the courts better given they had to play a game today. So I’d put it at 50/50 head to head against Theo/Trevor.
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Post by thevolleymaster on Apr 18, 2024 0:21:31 GMT -5
Why is it “embarrassing” to lose to the Grimalts? They haven’t had a great start to the year well, you answered your own question, apparently you're good at rocket science. To refresh your memory, their last three FIVB finishes have been 140, 460, and 140 points. Precisely at a time when they are clearly trying their very best because their Olympic berth is at stake. Did you seriously just cherry pick my comment and delete the stuff you didn’t like so it would fit your opinion? Truce no more, gloves are off
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 18, 2024 0:21:35 GMT -5
1) yes. 2) this is an Elite 16, big difference from a Challenge event. Those are my odds. I have Treo as the most likely team to finish last in Pool C. I would have had them favored over ESP two months ago but ESP has been playing well and seem to be ramping up for Paris. If they break Pool, great, happy for them. In my discussions of Olympic qualifying, it's all about probabilities, not about which teams I like.
You don't have to make everything personal. I root for them to do well in E16, I just wouldn't bet on them with money I could not afford to lose in an E16.
Umm, are you talking about a different Spanish team?? well, I was really wondering what happened to them, but then the 600 point finish last week, and I really liked how they looked in beating Pedro/Guto today.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 18, 2024 0:23:28 GMT -5
well, you answered your own question, apparently you're good at rocket science. To refresh your memory, their last three FIVB finishes have been 140, 460, and 140 points. Precisely at a time when they are clearly trying their very best because their Olympic berth is at stake. Did you seriously just cherry pick my comment and delete the stuff you didn’t like so it would fit your opinion? Truce no more, gloves are off it's not like I deleted your comments... it is that I think how they have done this year is more important that what they did a year ago, or three years ago, etc.
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Post by robvolei on Apr 18, 2024 1:05:42 GMT -5
Baseline view is superior because you see through the net just like you would if you were playing. It has more pros than a sideline view.
The biggest pros for the sideline view are seeing how far the passes and sets are off the net, and seeing a different view of defensive positions on the court. Other than that, it's meh. Not being able to see lateral movement is the worst part of the side view.
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Post by ajm on Apr 18, 2024 1:06:02 GMT -5
Cuba gets into Pool D with the Mexican Wild Card, meaning they’ll almost certainly advance and add at least 600 points. They’re also going to get 760 or 800 points from the NORCECA Finals next month. Then they’ll need just one more finish to lock in their Olympic berth.
Much tougher road for the Grimalts. They’ll need a strong finish here and will basically be chasing AUT1 for their spot.
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Post by robvolei on Apr 18, 2024 1:13:29 GMT -5
I like Cuba's pool (D).
They have a small chance of finishing first.
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Post by VT Karen on Apr 18, 2024 1:36:24 GMT -5
I just had the opportunity to watch both of USA's matches today.
Tri/Chaim still haven't put it together. I thought that Chaim had a decent match but Tri had more errors than I've seen from him in a while, compounded with the French seemingly having their number.
This was my first time watching Budinger/Evans in a while. At times during this match, they looked like one of the top two USA teams. They just may be the healthiest of the top four teams. At other times, they looked pedestrian but I think it's more about their decision making from play to play. Miles Evans has improved and had some good run downs and a variety of kills where he showed off increased range on offense and defense. Chase is a classy athlete that is big, fast and powerful.
What turned me off was some of the "cute" plays Miles did like the back set over-on-two attempt that went into the tape and then another on-two attempt that went to E. Grimalt. I know that Chase was struggling at times but in my opinion, if Miles is taking the second ball, he needs to utilize a weapon like Chase, especially when they're down and need something to steady their team and/or increase morale.
Side note: M. Grimalt was a beast in that Mudinger match and went toe-to-toe with Chase. Also, does E. Grimalt seem a little chunkier and not as springy or quick as he was a year ago? I haven't seen the Chilean team a lot but this stuck out to me for some reason.
I'd love to hear other posters' insights on the USA matches.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 18, 2024 2:02:00 GMT -5
well, Mudinger digging themselves a deeper hole. Not that Treo will likely get out of Pool, and neither gain anything in Tepic, but Mudinger failing to beat the Grimalts... that's kinda embarrassing. Did you even watch the match? Marco had one of the best matches I’ve ever seen him produce, he had Chase 2nd guessing himself the whole time. That’s not an easy thing to do, Chase is usually steady and responds well to adversity. “Not that Treo will likely get out of pool” - Are you a Chase/Miles fan or just an anti-USA FAN? Theo and Trevor just won in Guadalajara, they have a great chance to make it out of pool. If the Grimalts played anything like their best match ever, they wouldn't have dropped a game to Mudinger. That team has won two full field events and obliterated Nick/Phil in the process of getting one. They haven't played nearly as well in the last few years, but no way was this a career best performance Also I disagree here, but Treo have failed to advance from pool in 80% of the Elite events they have ever played. Not sure you need to be a frothing anti-American to suggest it may happen again.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 18, 2024 2:09:25 GMT -5
Bourne missing an option out on the sideline at 6-9. Schalk blocked for an 8-13 technical time-out. You'd think Krou, at 1,93 meters, was some kind of blocking machine with six blocks. France 21-15 vs. USA 4or 5 (or whatever). The announcer kindly says: "some uncharacteristic unforced errors by USA" Is it possible he meant that these unforced errors were of a different type than the usual unforced errors Cri makes?
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