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Post by beachcomber on Apr 18, 2024 10:00:48 GMT -5
This is a mess. 5+ teams dropped week of the event. Likely the Verge-Depre sisters are coordinating dropouts rather than competing. Ittlinger/Borger are the #1 seed. Chughes are playing the Italians, Liliana/Paula, and Pavan/McBain in an Olympic year Elite event. You can't make this stuff up. Also how did the Chinese get chosen as the lucky loser team? They were the lowest seed and lost a set 21-11 in their final round. Great question at the end. According to the press release, Canada2 replaced China1 and China2 replaced Brazil1. No idea how those two teams were selected. Nothing obvious in the math. And I know they didn't want to mess with the previously set pools, but Germany3 getting the 1 seed as opposed to elevating another team in the group?
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Post by ajm on Apr 18, 2024 10:07:29 GMT -5
Oh boy. Are we going to have to put tanking rules in place? Perhaps a team that withdraws last minute should not be able to be replaced by a team from the same federation? Even if it's legit, perception is everything. Did China1 even make the trip to Mexico? If not, there's no way they could have known, especially since China2 had to win their first Q match to even get in this position. But I agree, it looks suspicious.
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Post by beachcomber on Apr 18, 2024 10:09:16 GMT -5
Explaining how the lucky losers were selected would be helpful...
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Post by monsterblock on Apr 18, 2024 10:12:24 GMT -5
Someone tell Nuss to quit calling high line Everytime. The either “high line high line HIGH LINE, or high line high ANGLE” at the last second. Just freakin hit the ball and quit rolling Everytime.
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Post by ajm on Apr 18, 2024 10:18:25 GMT -5
Below are the rules for choosing the lucky loser teams. It's mostly random, but weighted toward the highest seeded teams. But it seems like either LTU or FIN must have declined entry for China2 to get in, if I'm reading this correctly.
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If the withdrawal(s) of team(s), from the 12 teams directly in the Main Draw tournament of Volleyball World Beach Pro Tour Elite16, occurs after the completion of Preliminary Inquiry of the Qualification Tournament when the Qualification match schedule has been developed and published, the regulations of the lucky loser draw shall be implemented to determine the extra team(s) qualifying to the Main Draw. The lucky loser draw regulation is as follows:
➢ The lucky loser draw is conducted by the FIVB Technical Delegate assigned after the completion of the Preliminary Inquiry of Main Draw. ➢ The lucky loser draw is implemented among the teams losing the last round of the Qualification Tournament, provided they attend and sign in at the Preliminary Inquiry of Main Draw tournament as eligible ‘lucky losers’. For clarity, it is highly recommended but not mandatory that the eligible ‘lucky losers’ shall attend the Lucky Loser draw after physically signing in at the Preliminary Inquiry of Main Draw tournament. ➢ The first draw is between the two highest seeded teams among the eligible ‘lucky losers’. ➢ For each additional available spot to the Main Draw, the next highest seeded team must be drawn against the loser of the previous draw. ➢ This procedure continues until all additional open spots of the Main Draw are filled. Furthermore, in the above case when the lucky loser draw is implemented, the same principle described above shall be respected to have the highest ranked team advanced from the Qualification tournament to fill the pool of highest seeded position, and then 2nd highest ranked team advanced from the Qualification tournament to fill the pool of the 2nd highest seeded position, while having the lucky losers always placed at the bottom for the seed #16, and if necessary seed #15, seed #14, etc.
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Post by beachcomber on Apr 18, 2024 10:25:06 GMT -5
Thanks for this detail. That mostly answers the questions!
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Post by larabeach on Apr 18, 2024 10:29:27 GMT -5
This is a mess. 5+ teams dropped week of the event. Likely the Verge-Depre sisters are coordinating dropouts rather than competing. Ittlinger/Borger are the #1 seed. Chughes are playing the Italians, Liliana/Paula, and Pavan/McBain in an Olympic year Elite event. You can't make this stuff up. Also how did the Chinese get chosen as the lucky loser team? They were the lowest seed and lost a set 21-11 in their final round. Great question at the end. According to the press release, Canada2 replaced China1 and China2 replaced Brazil1. No idea how those two teams were selected. Nothing obvious in the math. And I know they didn't want to mess with the previously set pools, but Germany3 getting the 1 seed as opposed to elevating another team in the group? EDIIT: ajm 's post above explais it better
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Post by katita on Apr 18, 2024 11:13:35 GMT -5
Another rough start for TKN. Kloth with 11 errors.
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Post by robvolei on Apr 18, 2024 11:41:15 GMT -5
Kristen serves out 13-13 in the 3rd.
Taryn serves out 14-14 in the 3rd.
Germany win 16-14.
😭😭😭
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Post by doodlebob on Apr 18, 2024 12:22:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately error prone start to TKN today. I remember last year Kloth had trouble passing in this stadium as well. The float serves seem to move more than usual in the facility.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Apr 18, 2024 12:41:54 GMT -5
Below are the rules for choosing the lucky loser teams. It's mostly random, but weighted toward the highest seeded teams. But it seems like either LTU or FIN must have declined entry for China2 to get in, if I'm reading this correctly. -- So the goofballs at FIVB broke their own governing rules or one of those two teams was already on the plane. Even if the latter is the case, which I highly doubt, it should automatically go to the other of LTU and FIN because China should have never been in a draw given how their rules are worded. But given that letter sent posted in the men’s thread, it’s clear the FiVB is too lazy to prioritize a fair sport and enjoyable product. Is this the Chinese team with the banshee? I do kinda want to watch their match against Ittlinger/Borger for the pure stupidity of the fact that one of them will make knockouts after having lost three matches, but my ears can’t handle that girl.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 18, 2024 14:27:44 GMT -5
Upsets abound. MHB in serious trouble down the stretch vs Brazil.
Also now that some of the Brazilian teams are wearing shorts the creepy camera work is even more prominent. Between plays the way the camera lingers on Brandie and Mel, and particular parts of them, while essentially ignoring the more modestly clothed Brazilians is something the production teams really should address
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Post by larabeach on Apr 18, 2024 14:34:02 GMT -5
Below are the rules for choosing the lucky loser teams. It's mostly random, but weighted toward the highest seeded teams. But it seems like either LTU or FIN must have declined entry for China2 to get in, if I'm reading this correctly. -- So the goofballs at FIVB broke their own governing rules or one of those two teams was already on the plane. Even if the latter is the case, which I highly doubt, it should automatically go to the other of LTU and FIN because China should have never been in a draw given how their rules are worded. But given that letter sent posted in the men’s thread, it’s clear the FiVB is too lazy to prioritize a fair sport and enjoyable product. Is this the Chinese team with the banshee? I do kinda want to watch their match against Ittlinger/Borger for the pure stupidity of the fact that one of them will make knockouts after having lost three matches, but my ears can’t handle that girl. OR someone did't know they had to sign up to be elegible as a Lucky loser, or someone failed to imform them, or something like that. They kind of things that shouldn't happen in a professional sport, but.. you know.
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Post by maizecrayons on Apr 18, 2024 15:21:47 GMT -5
Chughes just punishing ITA in set one. They look good after the break.
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Post by houdini on Apr 18, 2024 15:28:29 GMT -5
So the goofballs at FIVB broke their own governing rules or one of those two teams was already on the plane. Even if the latter is the case, which I highly doubt, it should automatically go to the other of LTU and FIN because China should have never been in a draw given how their rules are worded. But given that letter sent posted in the men’s thread, it’s clear the FiVB is too lazy to prioritize a fair sport and enjoyable product. Is this the Chinese team with the banshee? I do kinda want to watch their match against Ittlinger/Borger for the pure stupidity of the fact that one of them will make knockouts after having lost three matches, but my ears can’t handle that girl. OR someone did't know they had to sign up to be elegible as a Lucky loser, or someone failed to imform them, or something like that. They kind of things that shouldn't happen in a professional sport, but.. you know.
Lithuania's new coach is Gennady Samoilovs. I think he doesn't speak English and I wouldn't be surprised if he was a reason for the no-show. As for Finland that's a bit odd if they didn't show up for the lucky loser draw.
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