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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 3, 2024 15:56:51 GMT -5
The MN program has obviously benefitted from rather seamlessly moving from Hebert to Hugh. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who remembers the program feeling like it was really sliding under Hugh, including missing the tournament in year 3...Samantha Seliger Swenson flipped the script for him in year 4. True, but in the broader context, one coach who won conference titles, made Final Fours, Elite Eights, often hosted, etc. was followed by another who did the same, even if not immediately. There's always a chance a new coach never gets to the level of a previous great coach. But, you're right, there was an adjustment period which I didn't really remember. |
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Post by jeepers on Sept 3, 2024 16:09:43 GMT -5
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who remembers the program feeling like it was really sliding under Hugh, including missing the tournament in year 3...Samantha Seliger Swenson flipped the script for him in year 4. True, but in the broader context, one coach who won conference titles, made Final Fours, Elite Eights, often hosted, etc. was followed by another who did the same, even if not immediately. There's always a chance a new coach never gets to the level of a previous great coach. But, you're right, there was an adjustment period which I didn't really remember. It felt like the first couple years of McCutcheon were just an extended Hebert era because he left behind so many All Americans, it else helped that there was no transfer portal, and they were mostly Minnesotans. Now the entire process is expedited with the portal (immediate turnover, but quicker to fill in the holes with your own recruits). I think it took McCutcheon a couple years to figure out what type of program he wanted to run and how to recruit for it but it was looking bleak there in year 3 for a while. |
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Post by Kearney Kingston on Sept 3, 2024 18:20:49 GMT -5
People just type to type these days. Look at the match, then look at the numbers |
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Post by slxpress on Sept 3, 2024 18:28:48 GMT -5
People just type to type these days. Look at the match, then look at the numbers What about that match made you think Halter looked suspect? I’ve looked at the match, and I’ve looked at the numbers. I have no idea what you’re talking about. |
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Sept 3, 2024 19:08:25 GMT -5
True, but in the broader context, one coach who won conference titles, made Final Fours, Elite Eights, often hosted, etc. was followed by another who did the same, even if not immediately. There's always a chance a new coach never gets to the level of a previous great coach. But, you're right, there was an adjustment period which I didn't really remember. It felt like the first couple years of McCutcheon were just an extended Hebert era because he left behind so many All Americans, it else helped that there was no transfer portal, and they were mostly Minnesotans. Now the entire process is expedited with the portal (immediate turnover, but quicker to fill in the holes with your own recruits). I think it took McCutcheon a couple years to figure out what type of program he wanted to run and how to recruit for it but it was looking bleak there in year 3 for a while. I think so much of that huge drop in 2014 had to do with Kellie McNeil transferring after her freshman year. She was a top-10 recruit as a setter, the MN player of the year, and was expected to be joined by her sister Taylr (yes, that's how she spells it) three years later, but who I think had her offer pulled form MN upon Hugh's arrival. I don't know every specific of how it went down, but considering Taylr then committed to South Carolina and Kellie followed her, it seemed like Kellie felt like her family had somehow been snubbed by the program. Very few players at the time would've passed up the opportunity to be coached by a gold medal-winning Olympic Team coach. Had Kellie stayed on, she would've been a senior in 2014, and I strongly believe that would have been a VERY different year for the Gophers. Katie Schau, bless her heart was the setter for most of that year and it was ROUGH. Around McNeil would've had: Daly Santana (Jr OH) B1G POY the next year Sarah Wilhite (So OH) B1G/National POY two years later Hannah Tapp (So MB) 1st-Team AA the next year Paige Tapp (So MB) 3rd-Team AA in same year Molly Lohman (Fr MB) Dalianliz Rosado (L) |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 3, 2024 19:13:45 GMT -5
It felt like the first couple years of McCutcheon were just an extended Hebert era because he left behind so many All Americans, it else helped that there was no transfer portal, and they were mostly Minnesotans. Now the entire process is expedited with the portal (immediate turnover, but quicker to fill in the holes with your own recruits). I think it took McCutcheon a couple years to figure out what type of program he wanted to run and how to recruit for it but it was looking bleak there in year 3 for a while. I think so much of that huge drop in 2014 had to do with Kellie McNeil transferring after her freshman year. She was a top-10 recruit as a setter, the MN player of the year, and was expected to be joined by her sister Taylr (yes, that's how she spells it) three years later, but who I think had her offer pulled form MN upon Hugh's arrival. I don't know every specific of how it went down, but considering Taylr then committed to South Carolina and Kellie followed her, it seemed like Kellie felt like her family had somehow been snubbed by the program. Very few players at the time would've passed up the opportunity to be coached by a gold medal-winning Olympic Team coach. Had Kellie stayed on, she would've been a senior in 2014, and I strongly believe that would have been a VERY different year for the Gophers. Katie Schau, bless her heart was the setter for most of that year and it was ROUGH. Around McNeil would've had: Daly Santana (Jr OH) B1G POY the next year Sarah Wilhite (So OH) B1G/National POY two years later Hannah Tapp (So MB) 1st-Team AA the next year Paige Tapp (So MB) 3rd-Team AA in same year Molly Lohman (Fr MB) Dalianliz Rosado (L) Oh yeah. I remmeber there being tea there (but not what it was - I must be losing my memory in my old age) |
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Post by courtwatchers on Sept 3, 2024 20:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by volleyfiend on Sept 3, 2024 21:01:25 GMT -5
Hell, this is the most joyous news I’ve heard in months. Is that better? No, it just shows what a vile person you really are! But that’s ok, Nebraska will lose this year, put your big boy boots on, you will need them! Hey Holiday, Do you have your boots on or are you in the corner crying? I’m betting on the latter. |
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Post by craftylefty on Sept 3, 2024 21:14:43 GMT -5
It felt like the first couple years of McCutcheon were just an extended Hebert era because he left behind so many All Americans, it else helped that there was no transfer portal, and they were mostly Minnesotans. Now the entire process is expedited with the portal (immediate turnover, but quicker to fill in the holes with your own recruits). I think it took McCutcheon a couple years to figure out what type of program he wanted to run and how to recruit for it but it was looking bleak there in year 3 for a while. I think so much of that huge drop in 2014 had to do with Kellie McNeil transferring after her freshman year. She was a top-10 recruit as a setter, the MN player of the year, and was expected to be joined by her sister Taylr (yes, that's how she spells it) three years later, but who I think had her offer pulled form MN upon Hugh's arrival. I don't know every specific of how it went down, but considering Taylr then committed to South Carolina and Kellie followed her, it seemed like Kellie felt like her family had somehow been snubbed by the program. Very few players at the time would've passed up the opportunity to be coached by a gold medal-winning Olympic Team coach. Had Kellie stayed on, she would've been a senior in 2014, and I strongly believe that would have been a VERY different year for the Gophers. Katie Schau, bless her heart was the setter for most of that year and it was ROUGH. Around McNeil would've had: Daly Santana (Jr OH) B1G POY the next year Sarah Wilhite (So OH) B1G/National POY two years later Hannah Tapp (So MB) 1st-Team AA the next year Paige Tapp (So MB) 3rd-Team AA in same year Molly Lohman (Fr MB) Dalianliz Rosado (L) Wow, there’s a trip down memory lane! It’s interesting to think about how that 2014 season would have went if Kellie stayed on. It’s been a while, but I remember her chemistry or connections with the team her freshman year being maybe a bit lacking. She was certainly a smooth player, and objectively better than Katie Schau, but I never saw her stoic demeanor working super great with the more bubbly ‘13 and ‘14 girls. I did like her as a player though; don’t get me wrong. Anyway, it’s early in the ‘24 season, but this feels like the shift from 2014 to 2015 already. And I like it! I have a rejuvenated interest in the team, which had admittedly gotten stale the last 4-5 years. |
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Post by patpratt on Sept 6, 2024 17:15:00 GMT -5
Wow! Okay, yeah a bit of subjectivity there but very interesting regardless. Really appreciate you laying that out for me. So I assume errors factor into passing numbers as well. I assume an error gives you a 0...If so, Do we know how Zaynep's passing numbers changed from the Stanford game to Texas? Yes the 0 is when you are aced. If the ball hits the floor without being touched the 0 is given to whoever it is closest to. Shanking the pass and not being able to return the ball to the other side is also an ace/reception error/0. I think Zeynep was aced two or three times so she had that many 0s in her average. Her passing was better against Texas. A player like Lexi Rodriguez who is known for her passing regularly passes 2.5+ on a 3 point scale. For more perspective I remember in 2022 Wenaas and Landfair passed around 2.07 for the entire season and CC McGraw was I think 2.3ish. I don’t remember last year’s passing numbers nor do I care to. 😂 I'm just reading this now but wanted to thank you for the post! Very helpful. |
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