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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 17, 2024 10:57:33 GMT -5
The 3x 17 is super sus and the committee has been recognizing that since they went to seeding 32. When I tried to use Pablo to quantify quality of wins - I was told that doesn't matter since the committee doesn't recognize Pablo. When I tried to use RPI to quantify quality of wins - I am told sus. What's funny is you never actually put the Pablo wins for Creighton and Penn St. side by side. You were making random lists with San Diego. Penn St.: 4, 9, 10, 13, 17, 22, 25 (plus 26/29 and maybe another against #9) Creighton: 9, 12, 15, 22 (plus 32 and 34 x2 or maybe x3) And you're trying to act like these are equivalent sets of wins. Also 12 just lost at home to a lower-ranked team and will likely be dropping. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 17, 2024 11:05:58 GMT -5
Other notes: BYU - they are the other B12 team with a legit path to a seed. Their remaining schedule isn't helping the RPI (Cincinatti, West Virginia, and K-State are all under .500) - but a win over Kansas would be huge. BYU wins their final 4 and I think they are in. I'm amazed that BYU is 17 in RPI despite eight losses. I'm not an expert on RPI, but I have to attribute that to being in the Big 12 rather than the WCC. |
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Post by sluggermatt15 on Nov 17, 2024 11:21:17 GMT -5
There is no way Tennessee makes the NCAA Tournament. Their best win is UCLA (at home) or maybe Texas A&M. And too many losses... and this was the year they were supposed to be competing for the SEC title. LOL.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 17, 2024 11:36:50 GMT -5
Other notes: BYU - they are the other B12 team with a legit path to a seed. Their remaining schedule isn't helping the RPI (Cincinatti, West Virginia, and K-State are all under .500) - but a win over Kansas would be huge. BYU wins their final 4 and I think they are in. I'm amazed that BYU is 17 in RPI despite eight losses. I'm not an expert on RPI, but I have to attribute that to being in the Big 12 rather than the WCC. Certainly helps. They have the projected #9 SOS. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 17, 2024 11:42:15 GMT -5
When I tried to use Pablo to quantify quality of wins - I was told that doesn't matter since the committee doesn't recognize Pablo. When I tried to use RPI to quantify quality of wins - I am told sus. What's funny is you never actually put the Pablo wins for Creighton and Penn St. side by side. You were making random lists with San Diego. Penn St.: 4, 9, 10, 13, 17, 22, 25 (plus 26/29 and maybe another against #9) Creighton: 9, 12, 15, 22 (plus 32 and 34 x2 or maybe x3) And you're trying to act like these are equivalent sets of wins. Also 12 just lost at home to a lower-ranked team and will likely be dropping. Pablo has Creighton as an 88% favorite to beat Penn State. Even playing at Rec Hall - they are an 84% favorite. Pablo doesn't have them slightly better than Penn State - they have them overwhelming better. Now - not having a dog in this fight- I would certainly love to see those two teams play, because this looks like a huge outlier. Evollve has Creighton better than Penn State, but not to the degree that Pablo does. |
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Post by dodger on Nov 17, 2024 12:00:46 GMT -5
What's funny is you never actually put the Pablo wins for Creighton and Penn St. side by side. You were making random lists with San Diego. Penn St.: 4, 9, 10, 13, 17, 22, 25 (plus 26/29 and maybe another against #9) Creighton: 9, 12, 15, 22 (plus 32 and 34 x2 or maybe x3) And you're trying to act like these are equivalent sets of wins. Also 12 just lost at home to a lower-ranked team and will likely be dropping. Pablo has Creighton as an 88% favorite to beat Penn State. Even playing at Rec Hall - they are an 84% favorite. Pablo doesn't have them slightly better than Penn State - they have them overwhelming better. Now - not having a dog in this fight- I would certainly love to see those two teams play, because this looks like a huge outlier. Evollve has Creighton better than Penn State, but not to the degree that Pablo does. and massey has PSU over Creighton 54% - 46%. |
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Post by GatorsChomp on Nov 17, 2024 14:56:10 GMT -5
There is no way Tennessee makes the NCAA Tournament. Their best win is UCLA (at home) or maybe Texas A&M. And too many losses... and this was the year they were supposed to be competing for the SEC title. LOL. Probably thought will all the transfers they would do well like last season |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 17, 2024 15:19:18 GMT -5
There is no way Tennessee makes the NCAA Tournament. Their best win is UCLA (at home) or maybe Texas A&M. And too many losses... and this was the year they were supposed to be competing for the SEC title. LOL. RPI: #37 Wins: #25 Texas A&M, #46 Auburn, #54 Western Kentucky, #67 UCLA Worst loss: #83 Wofford (most teams have sub-100 losses) I don't think UCLA ends up T50, but WKU has a great shot at ending up Top 50. And as long as Auburn wins another match I think they will. Criteria wise - it's hard to see Tennessee not making the tournament with that resume. In reality, I certainly wouldn't hate Tennessee missing the tournament. They made it with a high 50s RPI not too long ago and their tournament profile didn't look that much better. |
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Post by sluggermatt15 on Nov 17, 2024 16:38:35 GMT -5
There is no way Tennessee makes the NCAA Tournament. Their best win is UCLA (at home) or maybe Texas A&M. And too many losses... and this was the year they were supposed to be competing for the SEC title. LOL. RPI: #37 Wins: #25 Texas A&M, #46 Auburn, #54 Western Kentucky, #67 UCLA Worst loss: #83 Wofford (most teams have sub-100 losses) I don't think UCLA ends up T50, but WKU has a great shot at ending up Top 50. And as long as Auburn wins another match I think they will. Criteria wise - it's hard to see Tennessee not making the tournament with that resume. In reality, I certainly wouldn't hate Tennessee missing the tournament. They made it with a high 50s RPI not too long ago and their tournament profile didn't look that much better. So they get in based on FOUR Top 75 wins? Lol. That is a poor reason. They have one win against the top seven teams in the SEC standings - Texas A&M - a 1-4 record combined.... and they will probably lose to Texas in the regular season finale. Also, 2-4 against ranked opponents. If we are talking NCAA basketball, that is a bubble case at best. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 17, 2024 16:41:20 GMT -5
RPI: #37 Wins: #25 Texas A&M, #46 Auburn, #54 Western Kentucky, #67 UCLA Worst loss: #83 Wofford (most teams have sub-100 losses) I don't think UCLA ends up T50, but WKU has a great shot at ending up Top 50. And as long as Auburn wins another match I think they will. Criteria wise - it's hard to see Tennessee not making the tournament with that resume. In reality, I certainly wouldn't hate Tennessee missing the tournament. They made it with a high 50s RPI not too long ago and their tournament profile didn't look that much better. So they get in based on FOUR Top 75 wins? Lol. That is a poor reason. They have one win against the top seven teams in the SEC standings - Texas A&M - a 1-4 record combined.... and they will probably lose to Texas in the regular season finale. Also, 2-4 against ranked opponents. If we are talking NCAA basketball, that is a bubble case at best. Bubble teams usually have unimpressive resumes. Who that trojan left out are you going to argue has a better case? |
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Post by jaypak on Nov 17, 2024 16:47:06 GMT -5
What's funny is you never actually put the Pablo wins for Creighton and Penn St. side by side. You were making random lists with San Diego. Penn St.: 4, 9, 10, 13, 17, 22, 25 (plus 26/29 and maybe another against #9) Creighton: 9, 12, 15, 22 (plus 32 and 34 x2 or maybe x3) And you're trying to act like these are equivalent sets of wins. Also 12 just lost at home to a lower-ranked team and will likely be dropping. Pablo has Creighton as an 88% favorite to beat Penn State. Even playing at Rec Hall - they are an 84% favorite. Pablo doesn't have them slightly better than Penn State - they have them overwhelming better. Now - not having a dog in this fight- I would certainly love to see those two teams play, because this looks like a huge outlier. Evollve has Creighton better than Penn State, but not to the degree that Pablo does. Penn St loses a set to #127 RPI Maryland today, the TENTH match that the Lions have dropped at least one set to teams < #25 RPI. Meanwhile, Creighton scores another sweep and has lost NO sets all season to teams < #25 RPI. There is no way that Creighton should not be hosting over Penn St. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 17, 2024 16:48:17 GMT -5
There is no way Tennessee makes the NCAA Tournament. Their best win is UCLA (at home) or maybe Texas A&M. And too many losses... and this was the year they were supposed to be competing for the SEC title. LOL. I don't remember who thought they'd compete for the SEC title; they graduated some very good players from a Top 10ish team. SEC coaches' pre-season poll had them at #5, but I thought that was 2-3 places too high. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 17, 2024 17:00:34 GMT -5
Pablo has Creighton as an 88% favorite to beat Penn State. Even playing at Rec Hall - they are an 84% favorite. Pablo doesn't have them slightly better than Penn State - they have them overwhelming better. Now - not having a dog in this fight- I would certainly love to see those two teams play, because this looks like a huge outlier. Evollve has Creighton better than Penn State, but not to the degree that Pablo does. Penn St loses a set to #127 RPI Maryland today, the TENTH match that the Lions have dropped at least one set to teams < #25 RPI. Meanwhile, Creighton scores another sweep and has lost NO sets all season to teams < #25 RPI. There is no way that Creighton should not be hosting over Penn St.Creighton has no wins over RPI Top 10 teams. Committee has stated they value that. Until Kansas moves into the RPI Top 10, Creighton cannot negate that stat. Penn State has wins over RPI #3 Louisville and #10 Kentucky. Sorry, but CU doesn't have the resume' PSU does. |
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Post by jaypak on Nov 17, 2024 17:06:14 GMT -5
^^ With Kansas at #11, Jayhawks moving into the T10 is a realistic possibility.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 17, 2024 18:19:49 GMT -5
So they get in based on FOUR Top 75 wins? Lol. That is a poor reason. They have one win against the top seven teams in the SEC standings - Texas A&M - a 1-4 record combined.... and they will probably lose to Texas in the regular season finale. Also, 2-4 against ranked opponents. If we are talking NCAA basketball, that is a bubble case at best. I don't mean this sarcastically - but like, do you know how the NCAA selects team? More importantly than those four top 75 wins (which, top 75 isn't really relevant, I used those 4 since they are the 4 that have an opportunity to be significant wins, I think UCLA won't be one) is their RPI. That matters, like a lot. As far as SEC standings - do you remember the year everyone was b*tching about South Carolina for being so low in the SEC standings but they got in (partially because of their non-conference performance). Who do you want in the tournament over Tennessee right now? Like, Auburn is arguably worse and they're still in. South Dakota State? UTEP (or Western Kentucky)? Pepperdine? Georgia Southern? Drake? St. John's? Arkansas State? Arizona has a case - but they are being predicted out probably due to RPI issues. I don't think you realize how ugly some of the bubble team profiles are (this is every year). And with an RPI like that - Tennessee is just not getting left out of the tournament (at least how it stands now). 2-4 against ranked opponents is actually a REALLY good thing for bubble teams usually.. |
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