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Post by rollshotcornerpocket on Nov 14, 2024 15:04:05 GMT -5
I know this is probably just engagement bait from 13 year old girls from tiktok and facebook groups, but John Cook isn't even the best coach in Nebraska's history. Let alone the whole NCAA.
First and foremost, put some MAJOR RESPEK on Terry Pettit's name. That man built Nebraska volleyball and passed along an elite program to John.
Second, under no circumstances will I allow anyone to get in the way of anything but pure Russ Rose GOAT talks. This isn't a debate. It's not a discussion. Anything less than Russ Rose is the undisputed GOAT is simply incorrect.
The utter level of dominance and perfection Penn State had in the mid 2000's and early 2010's will likely never be seen.....or perhaps even comprehended by anyone ever again. 4 straight national championships, 109 game win streak, a two year hiatus then back to back natty's to make 6 in 8 years. Russ is in a league of his own
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Post by GatorsChomp on Nov 14, 2024 15:12:42 GMT -5
I once heard that J Cook is an outspoken democrat so GBR!
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 14, 2024 15:14:23 GMT -5
I know this is probably just engagement bait from 13 year old girls from tiktok and facebook groups, but John Cook isn't even the best coach in Nebraska's history. Let alone the whole NCAA. First and foremost, put some MAJOR RESPEK on Terry Pettit's name. That man built Nebraska volleyball and passed along an elite program to John. Second, under no circumstances will I allow anyone to get in the way of anything but pure Russ Rose GOAT talks. This isn't a debate. It's not a discussion. Anything less than Russ Rose is the undisputed GOAT is simply incorrect. The utter level of dominance and perfection Penn State had in the mid 2000's and early 2010's will likely never be seen.....or perhaps even comprehended by anyone ever again. 4 straight national championships, 109 game win streak, a two year hiatus then back to back natty's to make 6 in 8 years. Russ is in a league of his own Pettit is/was not a better volleyball coach than Cook. There may be other reasons, including being a visionary, that put Pettit above Cook. GOAT of the mid 2000's is an accurate description. |
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Post by bballnut90 on Nov 14, 2024 15:30:27 GMT -5
Best coach in NCAA history is Russ Rose IMO. 40+ years of elite volleyball and no other program has come close to matching his level of excellence from 2007-2010. 7 titles, so many Olympians and such a strong legacy.
I'd put Dunning at #2 with 5 titles across 2 programs. If he doesn't retire in 2016 he likely adds at least 2 more titles to his trophy case in the next 3 years with Plummer/Hentz/Gray. 10 title game appearances and 5 titles both surpass Cook.
Cook I'd put at 3rd, he's done a remarkable job and taken Nebraska to new heights. I think he needs another title to be in contention with Dunning, and needs to establish a dynasty (ex. win at least a couple more) to be in talks with Rose. His legacy of helping take Nebraska to new levels deserves mention, but it was Pettit who built up the base and made Nebraska a volleyball powerhouse. Cook came in and took it to new levels with great coaching/recruiting but he didn't build the Nebraska volleyball brand like OP suggests he did.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 14, 2024 15:58:41 GMT -5
Why don't they do that every game? They specifically chose to do it for Nebraska because they were aware of the draw. Also, if you've ever had a seat in the nose-bleed section at HecEd you'd realize that $10 might not be such a bargain. . That's a remarkable stat. (I wish I knew that when I did the OP.) And that's part of why I started the thread. It's not just wins/losses, although that's a big part of it. It's about the DRAW of Husker Volleyball. I'd guess the TV ratings for Nebraska games - home games, and games when Nebraska comes to town - are at the top of the heap. To me, it's the draw and his ability to transition to a new and vastly different type of coach/player dynamic. Who else could have done anything similar to VBDIN? |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 14, 2024 15:59:37 GMT -5
I know this is probably just engagement bait from 13 year old girls from tiktok and facebook groups, but John Cook isn't even the best coach in Nebraska's history. Let alone the whole NCAA. First and foremost, put some MAJOR RESPEK on Terry Pettit's name. That man built Nebraska volleyball and passed along an elite program to John. Second, under no circumstances will I allow anyone to get in the way of anything but pure Russ Rose GOAT talks. This isn't a debate. It's not a discussion. Anything less than Russ Rose is the undisputed GOAT is simply incorrect. The utter level of dominance and perfection Penn State had in the mid 2000's and early 2010's will likely never be seen.....or perhaps even comprehended by anyone ever again. 4 straight national championships, 109 game win streak, a two year hiatus then back to back natty's to make 6 in 8 years. Russ is in a league of his own Pettit is/was not a better volleyball coach than Cook. There may be other reasons, including being a visionary, that put Pettit above Cook. GOAT of the mid 2000's is an accurate description. You can argue that, sure. I think Pettit has even said that is why he wanted Cook to succeed him. But if people are going to argue that John Cook is great because people travel to his road games, then they are giving him credit for what Pettit built. Pettit wrote in his book about going to the final four the first time and the only people in red were the parents. If I recall, not even the AD went. So he committed himself to building a base of people to care about the program. Public access television, clinics all over the state, the man was willing to talk to every rotary club and church pot luck in the state. His mission was something like - if an athlete should walk into the gym and see us playing, they should be compelled to want to join in (the exact wording is in "The Secret Life of Teams" if anybody has their copy handy). He got great players who were good people, had them play an attractive style of ball and he got the people of Nebraska to care about them as athletes and people. In 45ish years of NCAA women's volleyball nobody else has done this, at least not to the degree that Petite did - and it isn't even close (sorry, had to! ). John Cook took that base Pettit created - the support, the attention, the facilities, and the recruiting base that Pettit worked for - and he (Cook) has built and maintained an elite volleyball program through the 4-year era, the portal era, and now the NIL era, and I don't expect that he'd have any more trouble in the revenue sharing era, should he go that far. That is an amazing accomplishment. Most coaches were too early or too late to try this but of those who could, only Cook and Elliot have done it on this level through all of the changes in college sports. Cook is an incredible coach, clearly, and I think most people can admit that (at least when off volleytalk where they don't want to give Nebraska fans the satisfaction), however I personally don't find him all that likeable (and neither do some past players, including some of his supporters). Given his standing in the sport, volleyball would be better off if he were more Rose or Auriemma (funny, quotable, memorable) and less Belichickian in public. Cook doesn't have to be likeable to get people to support his program so it's outside his job description but I know many coaches take this role to heart and in 25 years I've seen no evidence that Cook does. Also, he hasn't limited himself or his program as the NCAA rule book would like (though neither did Rose or many others), and there have been legal issues which would be nothing for a football program, and may not even have surfaced at 90% of D1 volleyball programs, but they did surface there and from Lauren Cook's lead foot to the legal adventures of Harper Murray, to an outsider it is a bad look for the program and for Cook. It seems he has traded the wholesome girl next door image Pettit enjoyed for some bad girls who can ball. So yes, he's a great coach... but, but, BUT!!! So for my money it's Russ Rose. As has been pointed out, he built that himself. He did more than anyone, and he did it on the East Coast with players not from his backyard but instead convincing the best of the eastern time zone to give up on their own state universities for Happy Valley. People learned to support his program, not through any super human outreach effort like Pettit, but because they won. Even people who disliked them or found their games predictable respected that those teams were relentlessly perfect on the court, the best we've ever seen. And then when they weren't perfect and had flaws to spare and lost regular season games, they still won more championships. So yeah, for me it's Rose, and to me, it's not close. |
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Post by OHVBKING on Nov 15, 2024 10:15:10 GMT -5
why are we off-season posting in the middle of the season!? We're all just waiting for round 2 of Pitt/Louisville and Nebraska/Wisconsin I am going to add Nebraska/Penn State to that list |
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Post by uglycarp31416 on Nov 15, 2024 16:39:00 GMT -5
Another mark on the plus column for Cook is that he made Nebraska volleyball a revenue generating sport (with the help of Coach Osborne convincing him to move to The Bob). The only one outside of mens football or basketball (Hawaii volleyball may have been at one time). It was a goal of his to make volleyball self-sufficient and not rely on the football program.
Other schools should be closing in on being revenue positive particularly as the demand allows the ticket prices to increase and the TV audience share increases. The B1G network understands the already. Volleyball is the 3rd best draw behind mens football and mens basketball. ESPN and the other networks are catching up.
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Post by Reach on Nov 15, 2024 16:45:48 GMT -5
No. Russ Rose is the GOAT, and I don't think it's all that close. Ummmm |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 15, 2024 18:50:11 GMT -5
No. Russ Rose is the GOAT, and I don't think it's all that close. Ummmm You're entitled to your wrong opinion. |
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Post by vbdiva on Nov 15, 2024 19:11:53 GMT -5
GOAT - LOL.
He's been getting championship teams left to him since his High School coaching days at Francis Parker, where he would bring out a "How to Coaching volleyball drill book" to run his practices or consult with Mr. Rick Butler -- yea, that RB.
Lauren, his daughter, attended the SPVB camps since she was young.
His wife, Wendy, opened up a lot of doors of opportunity for him.
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Post by azsker on Nov 15, 2024 19:21:25 GMT -5
As a Nebraska fan, I feel John Cook is volleyball’s Coach K.
Coach K being the GOAT is also debated, but it doesn’t change what he did as a coach and nobody has won more than John Cook since 2000. What’s most impressive is you know exactly what his teams are going to do, it just doesn’t make it any easier to stop them. His defensive consistency year in and year out is unmatched, and the program he’s built isn’t really attainable by any other school.
Is his volleyball IQ the highest? No, probably not. But his sustained success? That’s tough to beat. I can only think of one season where the Huskers weren’t really in the picture, and that was a year they still upset Washington in the NCAAs with Vansant. He’s also doing it with constant evolving coaching lineups, because his assistants go on to be head coaches. But to finish outside of the top 10 one time? And even that being with the #2 national seed that got upset in the 2nd round? Remarkable.
But I’m biased 😁 I do know there is not a better coach for Nebraska. His retirement will be difficult for all of Nebraska.
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Post by Timeless on Nov 15, 2024 19:23:43 GMT -5
Russ Rose is the goat, 7-0 in national championship matches. End of discussion.
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Post by volleylbc on Nov 15, 2024 19:40:57 GMT -5
Russ Rose and John Dunning are ahead I think.
Penn States 2008 team is the greatest team in volleyball history , and that's coming from a Stanford fan whose heart was crushed that whole era lol.
Cook is top 5 for sure though.
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Post by austintatious on Nov 16, 2024 0:19:44 GMT -5
Russ Rose is the goat, 7-0 in national championship matches. End of discussion. Uh, no.lost to Long Beach State in 98, 1st time 2 teams met in the finals with 0 losses. |
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