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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 8, 2006 23:02:27 GMT -5
Didn't Rubio bring Glass and company to the Final Four? I thought they made it their freshman year with Burkholder setting.
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Post by beachman on Oct 8, 2006 23:14:41 GMT -5
Didn't Rubio bring Glass and company to the Final Four? I thought they made it their freshman year with Burkholder setting. They showed up the next year I believe!
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Post by beachman on Oct 8, 2006 23:16:00 GMT -5
I give him credit for publicly saying what a ton of other D-1 Coaches have been privately uttering for months now.....as soon as the coaches all get together and grow balls, then this kind of crap will end....until that time there will be those who will find the 22 year old professional freshmen from other countries and somehow get them into school.....it is crapola! Hey Beachman, how about the German players that played on LBSU a few years ago? Couldn't they have played on club systems that could be considered pro as well? Both were much younger than this lady, but I guess they could have played in club systems, BUT THEY WERE NOT PLAYING IN THE PRO LEAGUES LIKE THIS LADY WAS! Furthermore they were not old enough to play on the National team!
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Post by Murina on Oct 8, 2006 23:18:18 GMT -5
Hey Beachman, how about the German players that played on LBSU a few years ago? Couldn't they have played on club systems that could be considered pro as well? Both were much younger than this lady, but I guess they could have played in club systems, BUT THEY WERE NOT PLAYING IN THE PRO LEAGUES LIKE THIS LADY WAS! Furthermore they were not old enough to play on the National team! By the NCAA definition, most teams in Europe (and yes Germany) are pro teams. Even the juniors. Stupid definition it is...
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Post by BearClause on Oct 8, 2006 23:27:15 GMT -5
Didn't Rubio bring Glass and company to the Final Four? I thought they made it their freshman year with Burkholder setting. Glass, Abernathy, Ladd never played in the Final Four. That 2001 Arizona FF team was experienced, athletic, and did everything well. They didn't really have one big star though, although Burkholder and Talbot made 1st team AA. They were also no stiffs with Saragosa, Rutledge, and Torregrosa. It was pretty much no comparison - those Arizona teams of 2000/2001 were much better than any Arizona teams since.
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Post by diamond on Oct 8, 2006 23:45:45 GMT -5
Wahington Huskie outside hitter, Tomsejevic, on last years National Chanpionship team was 25 y/o in the senior year of eligibility!
It was rearely reproted and regularly overlooked in Washington's march to the final.
The schools web site, as an exception to the other player's bio's, would not publish her DOB.
This higher level of experience was constantly ignored by commentators on this site. This player also received another year of eligibility because of a mid season injury. She played five years for the Huskies.
The NCAA overlooks this or looks another way on the Euro players and the advanced age and their participation in NCAA women's VB.
Won't become an issue until European males begin to take positions form American males in college BB.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 8, 2006 23:59:59 GMT -5
Wahington Huskie outside hitter, Tomsejevic, on last years National Chanpionship team was 25 y/o in the senior year of eligibility! It was rearely reproted and regularly overlooked in Washington's march to the final. The schools web site, as an exception to the other player's bio's, would not publish her DOB. This higher level of experience was constantly ignored by commentators on this site. This player also received another year of eligibility because of a mid season injury. She played five years for the Huskies. The NCAA overlooks this or looks another way on the Euro players and the advanced age and their participation in NCAA women's VB. Won't become an issue until European males begin to take positions form American males in college BB. I beg to differ. There were any number of people posting to this board who claimed an inequity with Tomasevic's advanced age along with extensive playing experience. I was one of the most adamant in calling the waiver to the NCAA eligibility rule a poor decision. It's a decision that I think the NCAA committee (that granted the waiver) wishes it could have taken back. BTW - you're absolutely wrong about Tomasevic playing five years. She played four starting in 2002, when she was already listed as a sophomore. Her deal was the "participation after the 21st birthday" rule that reduces eligibility for playing in organized competition after the 21st birthday and before enrolling in college. Tomasevic was originally docked one year of eligibility. The players we're talking about in this thread wouldn't be subject to that rule. BTW - when UW took out the DOB, it was a complete cover your ass where the took it out for their entire roster.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 9, 2006 0:01:10 GMT -5
Many of us fans called her grandmasevic.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2006 0:06:13 GMT -5
Kaczor played only one year at College of Southern Idaho. She's listed as a junior at USC. Her birthdate is listed as Sept. 16, 1984. She could very well be barely subject to the "21st birthday" rule.
Also - UW no longer publishes birthdates for their VB players.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2006 0:08:49 GMT -5
Many of us fans called her grandmasevic. That's OverAndUnder's trademark.
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Post by diamond on Oct 9, 2006 0:15:09 GMT -5
So she didn't play 5 years- how old was she in the championship year? You didn't dipute that.
Why did the team take hers and the others DOB off the web site? Was it questionable? Certainly that is an unusual practice.
Why are you the apologist for the Husky program and this conduct?
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Post by Mr. Wednesday on Oct 9, 2006 0:19:07 GMT -5
By the NCAA definition, most teams in Europe (and yes Germany) are pro teams. Even the juniors. Stupid definition it is... What, exactly, is your problem with the current definition of a professional team? How would you change it?
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Post by MightyMouse on Oct 9, 2006 0:20:22 GMT -5
No, Sanja did not play 5 years at Washington, she came to the team in 2002.
As far as I can remember (and from what the archives show) UW changed online player bios in the 2005 season to no longer include DOB on all players, not just Tomasevic.
Yes, you are right Sanja was 25 during her final year of playing with Washington. She did not recieve an extra year of eligability due to her hand injury in the 2004 season. The "issue" with Sanja was that she entered the NCAA after her 21st birthday and initailly was only granted 3 years of eligibility due to the "entering-after-21st-birthday" rule. UW appealed the ruling because "civil war in her home country of Yugoslavia (now Serbia and Montenegro) had delayed her being able to take the college enterance exams". (No harm in asking for an extra year, if you're coming from Washington's point of view).
Yes, it was talked about quite a bit on this board that the NCAA granted Tomasevic her 4th year (just ask bearclause). I know UW thought it was a long-shot, and were meticulous in their paperwork and cautious about anouncing until the ruling was confirmed and double-confired with the NCAA. It was the NCAA's call.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2006 0:30:31 GMT -5
So she didn't play 5 years- how old was she in the championship year? You didn't dipute that. Why did the team take hers and the others DOB off the web site? Was it questionable? Certainly that is an unusual practice. Why are you the apologist for the Husky program and this conduct? So many questions.... Yes - she was 25. They took all the DOBs out (and still do), and it was probably a CYA thing because many were complaining about Tomasevic. Not putting up the DOB isn't all that unusual, but UW changing their bios did make it look like they were trying to deflect attention from Tomasevic's age. I am no apologist for UW. I thought it was BS how she received a fourth year of eligibility when other student-athletes would likely never have gotten the same ruling. I'm just spelling out how she received an "extra" year of eligibility. There are some college players who started when they were 19-21. Tracy Stalls was maybe 20 when she started at Nebraska.
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Post by roofed! on Oct 9, 2006 1:42:04 GMT -5
Kaczor played only one year at College of Southern Idaho. She's listed as a junior at USC. Her birthdate is listed as Sept. 16, 1984. She could very well be barely subject to the "21st birthday" rule. Also - UW no longer publishes birthdates for their VB players. I was surprised that USC listed Kaczor as a junior when she was initially listed as a sophomore. Maybe, the coaching staff is unsure about whether she could actually get 3 years at USC due to the 21st birthday rule (may be too tight) and so for now have her listed as a junior and at the end of next season (2007), petition to the NCAA for clearance for the 4th year of eligibility.
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