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Post by roofed! on Oct 9, 2006 1:48:28 GMT -5
Both were much younger than this lady, but I guess they could have played in club systems, BUT THEY WERE NOT PLAYING IN THE PRO LEAGUES LIKE THIS LADY WAS! Furthermore they were not old enough to play on the National team! By the NCAA definition, most teams in Europe (and yes Germany) are pro teams. Even the juniors. Stupid definition it is... I think that is the issue and as you (and several others who are familiar with the European club system) pointed out, that means all European players naturally suspected of fall under the "pro" classification. Many of the top teams have several European players including Hawaii (Gustin and other MBs), LBSU (German gals). Even though Stalls' amateur status is protected, she did spent more than a year training alongside professionals at OTC and in Japan, and receiving training that Rubio would term as "above those for the typical freshmen and sophomores". |
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Post by brybry on Oct 9, 2006 3:00:36 GMT -5
By the NCAA definition, most teams in Europe (and yes Germany) are pro teams. Even the juniors. Stupid definition it is... I think that is the issue and as you (and several others who are familiar with the European club system) pointed out, that means all European players naturally suspected of fall under the "pro" classification. Many of the top teams have several European players including Hawaii (Gustin and other MBs), LBSU (German gals). Even though Stalls' amateur status is protected, she did spent more than a year training alongside professionals at OTC and in Japan, and receiving training that Rubio would term as "above those for the typical freshmen and sophomores". Yeah, I thought Stalls did train w/ the pros in Japan. And what about this current MB for the 49ers? Does she check out clean? Well, I don't know if the NCAA is going to crack down on this kind of stuff. Many many teams would be affected. Probably a lot of the teams you guys root for (except for Stanford because they always have their pick of the best American recruits). I hope they don't make a fuss. Not just because I'm a USC fan, but because I like seeing these high-level international players. And I like that our college players get to face tougher competition as a result. Anyhow, Rubio is notorious for being a big whiner. Arizona massively underachieved in the last four years. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 9, 2006 9:14:24 GMT -5
Many of us fans called her grandmasevic.  That's OverAndUnder's trademark.  I appreciate the recognition, but I hereby officially release the term into the public domain to spread like the dickens and make sweet, sweet love with other similar phrases. Because the spirit of intellectual openness and innovation embiggens us all. |
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Post by Tiruray2004 on Oct 9, 2006 9:39:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought Stalls did train w/ the pros in Japan. And what about this current MB for the 49ers? Does she check out clean? Well, I don't know if the NCAA is going to crack down on this kind of stuff. Many many teams would be affected. Probably a lot of the teams you guys root for (except for Stanford because they always have their pick of the best American recruits). I hope they don't make a fuss. Not just because I'm a USC fan, but because I like seeing these high-level international players. And I like that our college players get to face tougher competition as a result. Anyhow, Rubio is notorious for being a big whiner. Arizona massively underachieved in the last four years. This is not an issue of how Rubio has underachieved in the past few years. An yes, Rubio is a whiner but he has every right to question the status of "professional" players playing in the NCAA! Rest assured, something will happen. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2006 11:12:18 GMT -5
Hey, you doofs, several points:
1. I'm glad Rubio said what he said. I would encourage all coaches to bring this out in the open.
2. Perhaps Rubio filed a complaint (or know someone who filed a complaint) with the NCAA and was rebuffed. You'd be mad, too. Let's say my house was burglarized and I went to the cops to file a complaint. Instead of pursuing the matter, they tell me, "We feel for you but we have other bigger problems to worry about."
3. Ringers. As soon as sports was organized, so was the concept of ringers. Mick's only doing what all good cheaters do.
4. The Kaczor and Tomasevic issues have been discussed ad nauseum on this forum. Why do we know about them so well? Coaches are posting in this forum. I know for a fact this is true. I can name all the big name coaches who have posted on this forum. Mwahahahahahahhahahahaha...
5. Please peeps: try to distinguish "its vs. it's" and use them properly.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 9, 2006 12:28:12 GMT -5
I am not a Rubio fan, but I applaud that he said publicly, what everyone is saying privately. Every Pac 10 coach is saying it, they just haven't said it to the press. I hate the press, but the press can put more heat on a conference, or administration than any coach could.
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Post by neodesha on Oct 9, 2006 14:20:02 GMT -5
Can't develp talent as well as peers + can't recruit as well as peers = GET A EURO, QUICK!!
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2006 14:27:47 GMT -5
Can't develp talent as well as peers + can't recruit as well as peers = GET A EURO, QUICK!! There were a number of top programs that were going after Hana Cutura up to the point where she signed her NLI with Cal. |
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Post by roofed! on Oct 9, 2006 14:44:22 GMT -5
Can't develp talent as well as peers + can't recruit as well as peers = GET A EURO, QUICK!! There were a number of top programs that were going after Hana Cutura up to the point where she signed her NLI with Cal. And I guess those programs are now sour on Cal and Cutura, huh? |
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2006 15:15:13 GMT -5
There were a number of top programs that were going after Hana Cutura up to the point where she signed her NLI with Cal. And I guess those programs are now sour on Cal and Cutura, huh? I don't know about that. It sounds like most of the complaining is about Kaczor, although Hana is getting a fair amount of grief. There was someone who posted an article claiming that Kaczor might have have been represented by an agent, and that her Polish team was looking for a transfer fee from whatever NCAA team landed her. BTW - I'd just like to clarify that I don't speak for the Cal coaching staff. Nobody from the Cal coaching staff ever told me what other programs were recruiting Hana. I'll just say don't be surprised if anyone here finds out they were teams with big rooting interests on this board. |
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Oct 9, 2006 15:37:21 GMT -5
I see Cutura and Kaczor is a different light. Cutura is the right age for a freshman. I don't have a problem with her at all from what I can find. So good for Cal. But Kaczor is a whole different story. She's as old as most seniors. Is linked to a pro team in Poland. And comes from a JUCO program with a "questionable" recruiting history.
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2006 15:38:17 GMT -5
... BTW - I'd just like to clarify that I don't speak for the Cal coaching staff. Nobody from the Cal coaching staff ever told me what other programs were recruiting Hana. I'll just say don't be surprised if anyone here finds out they were teams with big rooting interests on this board. Hawaii? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2006 15:42:58 GMT -5
... BTW - I'd just like to clarify that I don't speak for the Cal coaching staff. Nobody from the Cal coaching staff ever told me what other programs were recruiting Hana. I'll just say don't be surprised if anyone here finds out they were teams with big rooting interests on this board. Hawaii? Highly unlikely as Hawaii has 12 players on scholarship this year. I think several other PAC-10 schools (UCLA, USC, Arizona) maybe that's why Rubio is steamed are more likely. |
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2006 15:44:20 GMT -5
But UCLA, USC, and Arizona do not have "big rooting interests" (BearClause's words) on this board.
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Post by brybry on Oct 9, 2006 15:44:24 GMT -5
I see Cutura and Kaczor is a different light. Cutura is the right age for a freshman. I don't have a problem with her at all from what I can find. So good for Cal. But Kaczor is a whole different story. She's as old as most seniors. Is linked to a pro team in Poland. And comes from a JUCO program with a "questionable" recruiting history. I believe that Kaczor is 21 and she's listed as a junior. That seems about right to me. |
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