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Post by Pipe Attack on Oct 21, 2007 20:14:50 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, Japan was fifth in the world rankings last year, one spot ahead of the US and this year, they're currently sitting at 7th (while the US is at 8th, for comparison sake). To me, Russia is the only team that has giants in the front, Brazil and China have average height hitters. Take a look at the heights of the starters from PanAm games: Middles: Walewska (6'2"), Fabiana (6'4") Outsides: Sheilla (6'), Sassa (5'10"), Paula Pequeno (6') Setter: Fofao (5'8"). Compare that to UH: Middles: Sanders (6'2"), Kaufman (6') Outsides: Hittle (6'), Otineru (5'11"), Houston (6'1") Setter: Brandt (5'9") Height is relatively similar, albeit skill level is different, but for the height argument, this just shows that height should not be that much of a concern for the Wahine. The thing is, Brazil can pass and therefore they can run a relatively quick offense. But honestly, it's a tempo close to a traditional one -- with a few low outside sets and a backrow attack. (it's not a fast offense like the one Misty May ran her senior year or even Georgia Tech's offense when Eveland (sp?) was running the offense). Judging from today's match (vs. Nebraska), Hawaii didn't pass so well and that is why they (like many other NCAA teams) were/are unable to run these flashy offenses people like to see. Keeping it simple is not a bad thing if it is done right. Believe it or not, hitters can still get one on ones with a simple offense. The thing is, in order to run crosses and things like that, the passing has to be there on a consistent level. And that is one thing that is lacking in the US game -- passing! So hopefully Kanani can help out in that department next year, but for the most part, UH does have decent passers. And the more they get comfortable playing with each other, hopefully their passing can improve, then they can pull out some tricks here and there! Please don't kill me but I really say whats on my mind. ;D ;D International teams like Japan have great D. But look where they are on the standings. Not too high. Russia, Brazil, China all have tall players in the front row. Russia has tall ones in the back too and they run a very quick offense with the exception of Gamova who can pretty much hit over the Empire State Building. Those chicks from Cuba aren't very tall but they can really jump and they also run a very different offense with two setters who also hit in the front row! China is quick and they have great defense. Brazil just lost a good player in Carvalho but other than that they still have another quick offense and scary back row attack. To me thats not really playing it safe. Dave does play his team safe. If the setter digs the ball, usually the secondary setter will just set the left side, when the opponent is hitting out of the back row our middles don't always jump, we run very few crossing patterns, and opposing blockers are rarely fooled. Now if youre the opposing team scouting would be a breeze right? I mean c'mon you see this in every match. Move our hitters around, start setting a faster tempo, run Sanders on a back 1, bring Houston in on a X play, what about a thirty-one? We cant just play it safe cause we'll never go very far. I'm a setter and I like to run different plays to fool the defense of the other team. Why should that be so hard for a D1 program? Thats all I'm asking. Am I wrong? Please don't hate me.
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Post by duh2 on Oct 21, 2007 20:26:32 GMT -5
This picture was taken from a different angle. ofcourse it makes her look as if her body was half way above the net but it's not. Touching 10'3" on a running jump is very impressive....what is her reach on a standing jump? An approach jump is volleyball specific and always what is referred to with vertical measurement. Reguardless of what she reaches standing or standing jump(?) or block jump...(she swing blocks) She is able to get up to 10'3"...THAT is impressive by volleyball standards for a 5-10 high schooler...she could prob jump higher with more training. Her head is over the net in pic...don't hate.
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Post by silverbongfour20 on Oct 21, 2007 20:46:02 GMT -5
This picture was taken from a different angle. ofcourse it makes her look as if her body was half way above the net but it's not. Touching 10'3" on a running jump is very impressive....what is her reach on a standing jump? An approach jump is volleyball specific and always what is referred to with vertical measurement. Reguardless of what she reaches standing or standing jump(?) or block jump...(she swing blocks) She is able to get up to 10'3"...THAT is impressive by volleyball standards for a 5-10 high schooler...she could prob jump higher with more training. Her head is over the net in pic...don't hate.Ok since you obviously don't get it...if you were playing on the court at the same time, would you see the same view as in the picture? Hell no! Whoever took this photo is sitting up in the stands or wherever. Her head might get above the net, thats typical of someone who touches 10'3" but the photo is still shot from an awkward angle. Look at this, if this photo was taken from someone on the floor at the same level as everyone else, would we be able to see the head and shoulders of the cheerleader in background? I mean yeah, if the cameraman was 9' tall....get a grip. My point being this, don't judge how high someone gets above the net from a photo that someone took only becuase of the angle of the photo taken. Her standing jump is important as well and i'll explain. For argument sake lets say she touches 9'5" on a standing jump...still impressive. But now bring in a hitter who is, oh I dont know, 6'2" and touches 10'7"...lets calculate this shall we... 9'5" = 113" 10'7" = 127" 127 - 113= 14" thats a hell of a lot of room to hit over. See my point? I'm not saying she'll touch only 113" but who knows. My simple request was what is her standing jump? She has a very impressive approach jump, but you can't approach jump on a block.
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Post by 5100 on Oct 21, 2007 21:17:27 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken,Japan was fifth in the worldrankings last year, one spot aheadof the US and this year, they'recurrently sitting at 7th (while theUS is at 8th, for comparison sake).To me, Russia is the only team thathas giants in the front, Brazil andChina have average height hitters hitters. Take a look at the heights of the starters from PanAm games: Middles: Walewska (6'2"), Fabiana (6'4") Outsides: Sheilla (6'), Sassa (5'10"), Paula Pequeno (6') Setter: Fofao (5'8"). Compare that to UH: Middles: Sanders (6'2"), Kaufman (6') Outsides: Hittle (6'), Otineru (5'11"), Houston (6'1") Setter: Brandt (5'9") Height is relatively similar, albeit skill level is different, but for the height argument, this just shows that height should not be that much of a concern for the Wahine. The thing is, Brazil can pass and therefore they can run a relatively quick offense. But honestly, it's a tempo close to a traditional one -- with a few low outside sets and a backrow attack. (it's not a fast offense like the one Misty May ran her senior year or even Georgia Tech's offense when Eveland (sp?) was running the offense). Judging from today's match (vs. Nebraska), Hawaii didn't pass so well and that is why they (like many other NCAA teams) were/are unable to run these flashy offenses people like to see. Keeping it simple is not a bad thing if it is done right. Believe it or not, hitters can still get one on ones with a simple offense. The thing is, in order to run crosses and things like that, the passing has to be there on a consistent level. And that is one thing that is lacking in the US game -- passing! So hopefully Kanani can help out in that department next year, but for the most part, UH does have decent passers. And the more they get comfortable playing with each other, hopefully their passing can improve, then they can pull out some tricks here and there! The difference is the listed height of the Brazilian players are very close to their actual height. Several of the Wahine have padded heights. There is just no way Otineru is 5-11.
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Post by silverbongfour20 on Oct 21, 2007 21:25:17 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken,Japan was fifth in the worldrankings last year, one spot aheadof the US and this year, they'recurrently sitting at 7th (while theUS is at 8th, for comparison sake).To me, Russia is the only team thathas giants in the front, Brazil andChina have average height hitters hitters. Take a look at the heights of the starters from PanAm games: Middles: Walewska (6'2"), Fabiana (6'4") Outsides: Sheilla (6'), Sassa (5'10"), Paula Pequeno (6') Setter: Fofao (5'8"). Compare that to UH: Middles: Sanders (6'2"), Kaufman (6') Outsides: Hittle (6'), Otineru (5'11"), Houston (6'1") Setter: Brandt (5'9") Height is relatively similar, albeit skill level is different, but for the height argument, this just shows that height should not be that much of a concern for the Wahine. The thing is, Brazil can pass and therefore they can run a relatively quick offense. But honestly, it's a tempo close to a traditional one -- with a few low outside sets and a backrow attack. (it's not a fast offense like the one Misty May ran her senior year or even Georgia Tech's offense when Eveland (sp?) was running the offense). Judging from today's match (vs. Nebraska), Hawaii didn't pass so well and that is why they (like many other NCAA teams) were/are unable to run these flashy offenses people like to see. Keeping it simple is not a bad thing if it is done right. Believe it or not, hitters can still get one on ones with a simple offense. The thing is, in order to run crosses and things like that, the passing has to be there on a consistent level. And that is one thing that is lacking in the US game -- passing! So hopefully Kanani can help out in that department next year, but for the most part, UH does have decent passers. And the more they get comfortable playing with each other, hopefully their passing can improve, then they can pull out some tricks here and there! The difference is the listed height of the Brazilian players are very close to their actual height. Several of the Wahine have padded heights. There is just no way Otineru is 5-11. Agreed.. Remember UCLA? It seamed like Bachman, Fendrick, Bowls grew and inch every year.
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Post by hwnstunner on Oct 21, 2007 21:34:10 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Otineru is 5'10 ...
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Post by duh2 on Oct 21, 2007 21:49:53 GMT -5
Ok since you obviously don't get it...if you were playing on the court at the same time, would you see the same view as in the picture? Hell no! Whoever took this photo is sitting up in the stands or wherever. Her head might get above the net, thats typical of someone who touches 10'3" but the photo is still shot from an awkward angle. Look at this, if this photo was taken from someone on the floor at the same level as everyone else, would we be able to see the head and shoulders of the cheerleader in background? I mean yeah, if the cameraman was 9' tall....get a grip. My point being this, don't judge how high someone gets above the net from a photo that someone took only becuase of the angle of the photo taken. Her standing jump is important as well and i'll explain. For argument sake lets say she touches 9'5" on a standing jump...still impressive. But now bring in a hitter who is, oh I dont know, 6'2" and touches 10'7"...lets calculate this shall we... 9'5" = 113" 10'7" = 127" 127 - 113= 14" thats a hell of a lot of room to hit over. See my point? I'm not saying she'll touch only 113" but who knows. My simple request was what is her standing jump? She has a very impressive approach jump, but you can't approach jump on a block. EW...your vibe is Who cares its a cool photo! Look at the air under her feet if you want to dissect it...SHEESH! I don't know her block jump...she swing blocks prob though which will give her a couple more inches...What girl is 6-2 and touching 10-7? 7 inches over the rim???Last time I heard of girls touching that height was Kristee Porter. Everyone's block jump is less than their approach jump, even the big girls. I'll ask her coach and let you know...I appreciate your concern of her getting tooled. Simply stating what a great athlete she is, no need to get all huffy. I see your point just got a little distracted by your ill tone.
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Post by Pipe Attack on Oct 21, 2007 22:54:06 GMT -5
I know! What is up with padding heights?? Is it for intimidation purposes? But I heard somewhere before that their listed heights are their heights with shoes on. But yes, Aneli is not 5'11". So that throws things off a bit. But that is what she is listed and that's why I put that listed height on there. If I'm not mistaken,Japan was fifth in the worldrankings last year, one spot aheadof the US and this year, they'recurrently sitting at 7th (while theUS is at 8th, for comparison sake).To me, Russia is the only team thathas giants in the front, Brazil andChina have average height hitters hitters. Take a look at the heights of the starters from PanAm games: Middles: Walewska (6'2"), Fabiana (6'4") Outsides: Sheilla (6'), Sassa (5'10"), Paula Pequeno (6') Setter: Fofao (5'8"). Compare that to UH: Middles: Sanders (6'2"), Kaufman (6') Outsides: Hittle (6'), Otineru (5'11"), Houston (6'1") Setter: Brandt (5'9") Height is relatively similar, albeit skill level is different, but for the height argument, this just shows that height should not be that much of a concern for the Wahine. The thing is, Brazil can pass and therefore they can run a relatively quick offense. But honestly, it's a tempo close to a traditional one -- with a few low outside sets and a backrow attack. (it's not a fast offense like the one Misty May ran her senior year or even Georgia Tech's offense when Eveland (sp?) was running the offense). Judging from today's match (vs. Nebraska), Hawaii didn't pass so well and that is why they (like many other NCAA teams) were/are unable to run these flashy offenses people like to see. Keeping it simple is not a bad thing if it is done right. Believe it or not, hitters can still get one on ones with a simple offense. The thing is, in order to run crosses and things like that, the passing has to be there on a consistent level. And that is one thing that is lacking in the US game -- passing! So hopefully Kanani can help out in that department next year, but for the most part, UH does have decent passers. And the more they get comfortable playing with each other, hopefully their passing can improve, then they can pull out some tricks here and there! The difference is the listed height of the Brazilian players are very close to their actual height. Several of the Wahine have padded heights. There is just no way Otineru is 5-11.
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Post by 5100 on Oct 21, 2007 23:17:42 GMT -5
I remember talking to a former Wahine who was listed at 5-11 but was actually just 5-9. She said she wasn't sure who came up with the padded heights or why, but it was probably for intimidating opponents. Even liberos are listed generously. Hedder Ilustre claimed she was 5-7, and was listed as such, but later revealed she was 5-4. That said, there are players who are listed in their actual heights: Eckmier, Kahumoku, Boogaard, etc.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Oct 22, 2007 2:44:39 GMT -5
The Libero position is deep? Hittle, Otineru and Herring are not listed as liberos...what are you talking about??? I was kidding! There is no way Hittle is going to play exclusively in the backrow. As long as Shoji is the coach, Hittle will start and play all-around. I think next year Otineru should be in over Hittle...if Hittle plays over Otineru I don't know what to say...Aneli has the more complete and consistent game than Tara...I think the outsides should be Jamie and Kanani at left and Aneli on the right.
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Post by silverbongfour20 on Oct 22, 2007 5:19:10 GMT -5
Ok since you obviously don't get it...if you were playing on the court at the same time, would you see the same view as in the picture? Hell no! Whoever took this photo is sitting up in the stands or wherever. Her head might get above the net, thats typical of someone who touches 10'3" but the photo is still shot from an awkward angle. Look at this, if this photo was taken from someone on the floor at the same level as everyone else, would we be able to see the head and shoulders of the cheerleader in background? I mean yeah, if the cameraman was 9' tall....get a grip. My point being this, don't judge how high someone gets above the net from a photo that someone took only becuase of the angle of the photo taken. Her standing jump is important as well and i'll explain. For argument sake lets say she touches 9'5" on a standing jump...still impressive. But now bring in a hitter who is, oh I dont know, 6'2" and touches 10'7"...lets calculate this shall we... 9'5" = 113" 10'7" = 127" 127 - 113= 14" thats a hell of a lot of room to hit over. See my point? I'm not saying she'll touch only 113" but who knows. My simple request was what is her standing jump? She has a very impressive approach jump, but you can't approach jump on a block. EW...your vibe is Who cares its a cool photo! Look at the air under her feet if you want to dissect it...SHEESH! I don't know her block jump...she swing blocks prob though which will give her a couple more inches...What girl is 6-2 and touching 10-7? 7 inches over the rim???Last time I heard of girls touching that height was Kristee Porter. Everyone's block jump is less than their approach jump, even the big girls. I'll ask her coach and let you know...I appreciate your concern of her getting tooled. Simply stating what a great athlete she is, no need to get all huffy. I see your point just got a little distracted by your ill tone. It totally is a cool photo, but I was just trying really really hard to annoy you. I see that my "ill tone" did because youre obviously "distracted". And for the record, my post said "for argument sake" I didn't mean for you to take it litterally, I was trying to get a point accross but I know now how that may have gone pass you. Sorry.
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Post by jesus on Oct 22, 2007 6:33:49 GMT -5
I remember talking to a former Wahine who was listed at 5-11 but was actually just 5-9. She said she wasn't sure who came up with the padded heights or why, but it was probably for intimidating opponents. Yes, it is for intimidation. I know of several UH football players, both current and former, and they all said height and weight were added on the roster for most of the players as an intimidation factor. I am sure it happens for the same reason as for other sports, such as baseball and basketball too.
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Post by vbally on Oct 22, 2007 9:17:32 GMT -5
Otineru is a gamer who has the instincts to play at a higher level than her height is listed....although Hittle is bigger, Aneli has superior instincts that give her an edge
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