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Post by gobears on Feb 16, 2006 17:46:11 GMT -5
So an NCAA Div 1 school can have one sport at a D3 level? A school with a D1 women's vball program can have a D3 men's vball program?
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Post by NobodySpecial on Feb 16, 2006 18:06:33 GMT -5
Rutgers-Newark is predominantly a Division III school, but its men's volleyball program competes as a Division I school. It is one of eight schools that have been grandfathered in to allow multi-divisions of its sports offerings. In such a case, these eight schools can have one men's and one women's program competing at a different level. This was a major issue two years ago at the NCAA Convention as other Division III schools were attempting to force all sports offerings to stay at the Division III level (issue was mostly with Division III schools playing Division I ice hockey and lacrosse).
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Post by bbk on Feb 17, 2006 0:49:06 GMT -5
The rumors are that if an existing conference has enough temas and already sponsors Men's Volleyball, that conference can apply for a spot. There is only one existing conference that does not have one (that is recognized by the NCAA) is the CUNY conference. There is no other exsiting conference that has that proviso.
Sad but true.
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Post by BeachBoy on Feb 17, 2006 8:33:06 GMT -5
If I am correct Quincy is a Division II institution but list their volleyball program as a Division I team. Findlay a former program in the MIVA was a Division II school who offered men and womens ice hockey at the Division I level.
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Post by NobodySpecial on Feb 17, 2006 11:28:35 GMT -5
Quincy is listed as a Division II men's volleyball program by the NCAA (http://web1.ncaa.org/ssLists/sportByInst.do?sport=MVB&division=ALL), which is the official designation. This site also shows that Rutgers-Newark is a Division I men's volleyball program, when the schools is listed as Division III in its other sports offerings.
It makes very little sense other than prestige for a Division II program to play at a Division I level for men's volleyball. There are no additional benefits such as scholarship from one division to the next, championship possibilities, etc. Plus, several of the recruiting bylaws actually favor Division II over Division I (age requirement being the foremost issue). In other sports such as hockey, schools do see an advantage of moving up its program to Division I because of scholarship, championship possibilities and higher caliber of play.
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Post by gobears on Feb 17, 2006 12:26:49 GMT -5
from an NCAA source person...
The discussion on increasing the Men's NCAA Final 4 to 6(?), and who gets those additional spots, is quite premature as the NCAA has not yet budgeted for the expanded Championship and the number of slots will be determined by the budget once approved. Only after that happens will the Championship Committee take up the question of how the slots will be allocated. Moreover, it is much more likely that a Division III NCAA Championship will be approved..... as there are currently 45 member-sponsors at that level and once they reach 50 then the NCAA will be petitioned to establish an NCAA D-III Championship. All of this depends upon future events and administrative actions that are not entirely predictable.
I would say that there is almost no chance that bracket expansion would be implemented this year. In fact it may not occur before the 2008 season.
As to the question of any type of 'delay' if an NCAA member wants to start to sponsor a men’s volleyball program – each year every NCAA member in each Division submits a sponsor list indicating the sports that they will be sponsoring in the coming year so if a member decides to add men’s volleyball they simply add it to their list and the deed is done. This is true for all members, regardless of Division.
However, if an NAIA member wishes to become an NCAA member, there may be a number of issues that would cause a delay: For example, if they are a conference member, they may be subject to an agreement with their conference that requires some waiting period before they can be free to change their membership. So, I’m not sure about the transition time in this situation.
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Post by swingaway on Feb 17, 2006 12:41:21 GMT -5
I believe it has been approved to expand to 8 teams. They have not announced the time, 2007 or 2008.
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Post by BearClause on Feb 17, 2006 14:11:25 GMT -5
Rutgers-Newark is predominantly a Division III school, but its men's volleyball program competes as a Division I school. It is one of eight schools that have been grandfathered in to allow multi-divisions of its sports offerings. In such a case, these eight schools can have one men's and one women's program competing at a different level. This was a major issue two years ago at the NCAA Convention as other Division III schools were attempting to force all sports offerings to stay at the Division III level (issue was mostly with Division III schools playing Division I ice hockey and lacrosse). 20.4 MULTIDIVISION CLASSIFICATION
20.4.1 Multidivision—Classification Options. A member institution may have a sport classified in a division other than the one in which it is a member only in the following circumstances: 20.4.1.1 Division I Member. A member of Division I may petition to be classified in football in Division I-A or Division I-AA. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/93, 4/28/05)20.4.1.2 Divisions II and III Members—Classification of a Sport in Division I. A member of Division II or Division III may petition to be classified in Division I in any one men’s sport, other than football or basketball, and in any one women’s sport, other than basketball, and in any single sport in which the only NCAA championships opportunity is the National Collegiate Championship. In addition, a member of Division II may be classified in Division I in a sport in which there is a Division I and a Division III championship, but no Division II championship. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94) 20.4.1.3 Women’s Multidivision—Classification Limitation. A member institution that has its women’s program classified in a division other than its membership division (per Bylaw 20.1.1.1) shall not be eligible to petition for the multidivision-classification opportunities available to a women’s program that is classified in the same division as the institution’s men’s program. 20.4.1.4 National Collegiate Championship. A member institution may petition to be classified in a division other than its membership division in a single sport in which the only NCAA championships opportunity is a National Collegiate Championship for which all divisions are eligible. (Adopted: 1/10/91, Revised: 1/10/92)
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Post by NobodySpecial on Feb 17, 2006 15:03:43 GMT -5
20.4 MULTIDIVISION CLASSIFICATION
20.4.1 Multidivision—Classification Options. A member institution may have a sport classified in a division other than the one in which it is a member only in the following circumstances: 20.4.1.1 Division I Member. A member of Division I may petition to be classified in football in Division I-A or Division I-AA. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 9/1/93, 4/28/05)20.4.1.2 Divisions II and III Members—Classification of a Sport in Division I. A member of Division II or Division III may petition to be classified in Division I in any one men’s sport, other than football or basketball, and in any one women’s sport, other than basketball, and in any single sport in which the only NCAA championships opportunity is the National Collegiate Championship. In addition, a member of Division II may be classified in Division I in a sport in which there is a Division I and a Division III championship, but no Division II championship. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94) 20.4.1.3 Women’s Multidivision—Classification Limitation. A member institution that has its women’s program classified in a division other than its membership division (per Bylaw 20.1.1.1) shall not be eligible to petition for the multidivision-classification opportunities available to a women’s program that is classified in the same division as the institution’s men’s program. 20.4.1.4 National Collegiate Championship. A member institution may petition to be classified in a division other than its membership division in a single sport in which the only NCAA championships opportunity is a National Collegiate Championship for which all divisions are eligible. (Adopted: 1/10/91, Revised: 1/10/92) See www.avca.org/legislative/04DIIILegProposals.pdf and the last two proposals that were voted upon by the NCAA. Will shed more light on your NCAA bylaw information.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 17, 2006 15:52:26 GMT -5
BY rule Ibelieve you are allowed to have ONE (1) DI program on a D3 or DI2 campus. If your programs are already DI than ALL NEW programs must go D1. This rule has been applied at various. ie Rutgers-Newark. Now, from what I understand, there is a school in D3 that has a D1 Lacrosse program and another D3 School that has a D1 Hockey program, not sure if that is true but there are cases of this happening. They are allowed to compete for the championship, if that champioship is the only available no matter the division, upon petition. Its up to the NCAA to ok it. BUt since most championships are D1 registered (ie: Waterpolo, Women's Bowling, and men's volleyball) a school could be D3 and still be eligible for the D1 championship, IF it is the only championship available to the NCAA sponsored sport.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 17, 2006 15:56:15 GMT -5
If I am correct Quincy is a Division II institution but list their volleyball program as a Division I team. Findlay a former program in the MIVA was a Division II school who offered men and womens ice hockey at the Division I level. In terms of men's volleyball, if you're a scholarship program, you're a scholarship program. D1 and D2 school are pretty much the same in that respect. The only difference comes in terms of moneys. This is where the laymans term "fully funded" comes in. Now this would mean that the school has a full accompaniment of scholarships available to them, that being 4.5 scholarships. Partially funded means they don't have all 4.5. doesn't matter howmany they have, if it is not 4.5 scholarships they are not a "fully funded" school. Its almosta joke term, but it carries a lot of weight.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Feb 17, 2006 16:03:28 GMT -5
BeachBoy, Are you sure? What school do you know of that does this? If this is true, then, it's a suprise that when UCSD went DII, the men's volleyball team didn't stay DIII. This was an INSTITUTIONAL decision. UCSD's Athletics Director wanted to go D2.
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Post by chicken15 on Mar 10, 2006 3:35:03 GMT -5
All or at least majority of the east coast D3 teams are a joke. I would love to watch one of those games on tv. I'm sure that the match would last about 45 minutes or so........WHAT A JOKE.
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Post by newburyvball on Mar 10, 2006 7:27:53 GMT -5
If it wasn't for all these east coast teams there wouldnt be any talk of expanding the Men's Tournament. With out the east coast the tournament would forever stay at 4 teams.
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Post by midwestvbguy on Mar 10, 2006 10:13:06 GMT -5
Let's not get crazy here and say with out the east coast there wouldn't be expansion. With out the West or Midwest there wouldnt be a tournament to expand. Yes a majority of the volleyball programs D1 through DIII are on the east but how many are actually any good? D1 -PSU, Mason D-2 none, D3 - Juniata (maybe not for long) NYU, Sprinfield. Everyone else in respect to the level of play is terrible!!! If the MPSF were to go away there would be no volleyball. If the midwwest were to go away who would everyone say is way overrated? The east coast has a ton of really bad d-3 programs period.
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