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Post by thevolleymaster on May 11, 2013 8:49:12 GMT -5
hi im living on Portugal but im fan of USA team, in fact i have been following all US tournmts since 2008. This year im following closely all US player that are playing in Europe. Ranking: 1st-HOLT (superb) 2nd-ANDERSON 3rd-SMITH, HOLMES, TROY. And, guys, believe me, LOTMAN is not in first 10, he is a Polish Champ only because Rezow has guys like Bartman or Novakoski.And PATAK, promised a lot but he was a disapointment to me (i was his fan)...real power, but very slow, so many times outblocked. I hope he can change this. One final word to Speraw, he did what Knipe should have done,US lost to Italy because of receive, and please one guy emerged: LAMBOURNE (very very bad, thts why he lost the pro contract here in Europe). Unless Speraw has a justification i dont understand SANDER absence. Lotman has played in Poland the past 2 seasons, won 2 Polish Championships, and has re-signed for another 2 years with his club. He must be doing something right or he has fooled everyone in Poland into thinking he is a decent player. Sander has summer school, thats why he isn't on the WL roster. Now you guys can stop speculating and whining about why he isn't with the national team this summer. |
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Post by jna on May 11, 2013 14:22:46 GMT -5
hi im living on Portugal but im fan of USA team, in fact i have been following all US tournmts since 2008. This year im following closely all US player that are playing in Europe. Ranking: 1st-HOLT (superb) 2nd-ANDERSON 3rd-SMITH, HOLMES, TROY. And, guys, believe me, LOTMAN is not in first 10, he is a Polish Champ only because Rezow has guys like Bartman or Novakoski.And PATAK, promised a lot but he was a disapointment to me (i was his fan)...real power, but very slow, so many times outblocked. I hope he can change this. One final word to Speraw, he did what Knipe should have done,US lost to Italy because of receive, and please one guy emerged: LAMBOURNE (very very bad, thts why he lost the pro contract here in Europe). Unless Speraw has a justification i dont understand SANDER absence. Lotman has played in Poland the past 2 seasons, won 2 Polish Championships, and has re-signed for another 2 years with his club. He must be doing something right or he has fooled everyone in Poland into thinking he is a decent player. Sander has summer school, thats why he isn't on the WL roster. Now you guys can stop speculating and whining about why he isn't with the national team this summer. I agree with dusty64. I won't say Paul Lotman is the worst OH that we have, but he clearly is not the best either. I saw a couple of matches of his polish team during the champions league and Paul played poorly in all those matches scoring less than 8 - and he was a starter throughout the match. I think that's not exactly what us fans are wishing for. Right!. He surely rests a bit on other players' laurels indeed. |
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Post by mango224 on May 11, 2013 18:21:19 GMT -5
Lotman has played in Poland the past 2 seasons, won 2 Polish Championships, and has re-signed for another 2 years with his club. He must be doing something right or he has fooled everyone in Poland into thinking he is a decent player. Sander has summer school, thats why he isn't on the WL roster. Now you guys can stop speculating and whining about why he isn't with the national team this summer. I agree with dusty64. I won't say Paul Lotman is the worst OH that we have, but he clearly is not the best either. I saw a couple of matches of his polish team during the champions league and Paul played poorly in all those matches scoring less than 8 - and he was a starter throughout the match. I think that's not exactly what us fans are wishing for. Right!. He surely rests a bit on other players' laurels indeed. Wow. It seems like Resovia fans here in Poland appreciate Lotman way more than some of you guys do. Just for the record - it's pointless to judge him through the Champions League games, since the whole team was in a terrible shape back then, they had lots of issues (there was one match where Bartman had his infamous 0/12 in attack). I recommend taking a look at the PlusLiga playoffs, they're on youtube. Paul is a great guy who saved our asses more than once and I personally am very happy that he's staying. |
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Post by dusty64 on May 11, 2013 18:30:09 GMT -5
Tkx JNA, you have described quite well what i meant. Lotman is an average player who benefits from being in an A-Team with guys like Bartman. Explosion and passion that's what you want for an OH.He has a good receive and sometimes a good serve, but stil average all in all. Now pick up guys like Anderson, Kazisky, Zaitsev or Tethiukyn and you see what i mean. If Ciarelli or Menzel doesnt come out from the box and "explode" US could be in trouble.
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Post by volleyball23 on May 11, 2013 20:23:39 GMT -5
Where's rooney?
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Post by thevolleymaster on May 12, 2013 0:04:48 GMT -5
If you know anything about Asseco Resovia then you know the role Lotman plays on that team. He is NOT a big point scorer. He is there to receive, serve, block, side out, and have the consistent American style attitude that they pay him very well for. He is basically a more athletic version of Scott Touzinsky, who has contributed greatly to Berlin Volley's success in the past 2 years. Is Touzinsky a huge point scorer? No, absolutely not. But he is very valuable to that team and it is no surprise they have won the German Championship the last 2 years and he has re-signed with them.
You guys know very little about this sport if you are looking at statistics and judging a player based on that alone. Volleyball is a true team sport and each player plays a different role for that team. The team with the best system and whether or not they are able to execute that system is usually the deciding factor in matches.
Rooney is still recovering from shoulder surgery, he should be back after World League.
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Post by dusty64 on May 12, 2013 9:56:43 GMT -5
Tkx Volleymaster, i agree with you, volley is a true sport team and each player has a role. But, i´ll give you 4 examples from world top teams as far as OH is concern. RUSSIA: Biryukov and Tethyukin. POLAND: Kurek and Winiarsky. BRAZIL: Murillo and Dante. ITALY: Savani and Zaitsev. ALL of them are good receivers (at least as good as a guy like Lotman) but in block, attack and serve they are several light-years beyond. So, it is possible have big point scorers and explosion and play a team role as well. Anderson is in this A-group, but if you want to win a WL or OG you cannot have average. And i saw Poland finals: Resovia won but was very very close. A team that is the backbone of Poland team: Bartman, Novakowski, Kosok, Ignazack, had the obligation to play better, but because of budget constraints must have some average players too.
Nothing against Lotman, but i dont want another 4 years "Knipe weird options", and beside there are much better options.
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Post by thevolleymaster on May 12, 2013 22:22:58 GMT -5
I see your point in comparing him to players like the ones you listed but the fact is, as of right now, there is nobody else on the US national team that has the experience, talent, and mental strength to play against top international teams. Ciarelli, Muagatatia, Sander, and Lawson are talented players and could definitely pass Lotman if they make some rosters and and get some valuable playing time. But right now they aren't there yet, and looking at the the World League roster they are not even close to the top 4 teams in the world. Top tier players don't magically show up on national teams, they develop into great players.
I think its funny that you think because of "budget constraints" they hire guys like Lotman. Asseco Resovia is a top level club, arguably the best in Poland, so I think they have quite a large pool of high level outside hitters to choose from. You make it sound like they are wasting lots of money on a crappy player who only brings the team down.
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Post by jna on May 13, 2013 9:42:40 GMT -5
I see your point in comparing him to players like the ones you listed but the fact is, as of right now, there is nobody else on the US national team that has the experience, talent, and mental strength to play against top international teams. Ciarelli, Muagatatia, Sander, and Lawson are talented players and could definitely pass Lotman if they make some rosters and and get some valuable playing time. But right now they aren't there yet, and looking at the the World League roster they are not even close to the top 4 teams in the world. Top tier players don't magically show up on national teams, they develop into great players. I think its funny that you think because of "budget constraints" they hire guys like Lotman. Asseco Resovia is a top level club, arguably the best in Poland, so I think they have quite a large pool of high level outside hitters to choose from. You make it sound like they are wasting lots of money on a crappy player who only brings the team down. Now you make it sound like our new guys are crappy players by saying they have no talent. They are all talented, otherwise they wouldn't be on the national team. Besides, you are all forgetting that Poland will be the only team in our group that may be regarded as a veteran team. Brazil is also showing renovation. Bulgaria was renovated shortly before the olympics 2012. France and Argentina are also teams mostly comprised by young athlets. I do think our team has a chance to beat most of them and reach the finals. |
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Post by wonderwarthog on May 13, 2013 14:16:18 GMT -5
So many people on VT just don't get it when it comes to international ball. Being successful at the international level has very little to do with physical abilities (how high you jump, how hard you serve, how spectacular you hit). The real factor for success is how well you know and understand the game, and how good your mental skills are. There are so many international players who, if you measured them on the Vertec, or put the speed gun on their spikes, or looked at their ages, would not even come close to the numbers that some of the young guys on Team USA can put up. But they are far better VOLLEYBALL PLAYERS internationally because they have superior skills at reading the play, are steadier over the course of an entire match, and very rarely make unforced errors. Some USA players will never acquire those types of skills or abilities, no matter how long they play internationally. There's more than a few on the World League roster already who fall into that category. |
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Post by wonderwarthog on May 13, 2013 14:19:53 GMT -5
So many people on VT just don't get it when it comes to international ball. Being successful at the international level has very little to do with physical abilities (how high you jump, how hard you serve, how spectacular you hit). The real factor for success is how well you know and understand the game, and how good your mental skills are. There are so many international players who, if you measured them on the Vertec, or put the speed gun on their spikes, or looked at their ages, would not even come close to the numbers that some of the young guys on Team USA can put up. But they are far better VOLLEYBALL PLAYERS internationally because they have superior skills at reading the play, are steadier over the course of an entire match, and very rarely make unforced errors. Some USA players will never acquire those types of skills or abilities, no matter how long they play internationally. There's more than a few on the World League roster already who fall into that category. Maybe, but I'll take the player who can jump high, serve hard, and hit spectacularly even if he's dumb as a rock! I have no idea what mental skills you're addressing. |
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Post by jna on May 16, 2013 7:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by thenetset on May 16, 2013 14:34:58 GMT -5
So what're everybody's picks for the tournament? I'm gonna go waaaayyyyy out on a limb and pick Russia. Unless they don't bring their A-squad, or someone gets hurt, it's tough to look past the winners of the last major international tournament who realistically should still be getting better for another year or three (it's scary to think Mikhaylov and Muserskiy will only be 28, typically right around an athlete's peak, at the next Olympics). Brazil, Poland, USA, and Argentina to make it out of Pool A, Russia, Italy, and Serbia in Pool B, and I gotta be a homer with my Pool C pick  The final could well end up being the same as the Olympics, though Brazil are in a bit more flux than Russia (how will the post-Giba era begin?). All things considered I'm really excited for the tournament  |
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Post by itsallrelative on May 18, 2013 6:05:01 GMT -5
So what're everybody's picks for the tournament? I'm gonna go waaaayyyyy out on a limb and pick Russia. Unless they don't bring their A-squad, or someone gets hurt, it's tough to look past the winners of the last major international tournament who realistically should still be getting better for another year or three (it's scary to think Mikhaylov and Muserskiy will only be 28, typically right around an athlete's peak, at the next Olympics). Brazil, Poland, USA, and Argentina to make it out of Pool A, Russia, Italy, and Serbia in Pool B, and I gotta be a homer with my Pool C pick The final could well end up being the same as the Olympics, though Brazil are in a bit more flux than Russia (how will the post-Giba era begin?). All things considered I'm really excited for the tournament Isn't the question for Russia the same as always---do they have enough ball control? (not good ball control, but, enough?) Is Murilo not playing for Brazil, as well? (am I seeing that correct)? |
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Post by thenetset on May 18, 2013 9:47:29 GMT -5
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The final could well end up being the same as the Olympics, though Brazil are in a bit more flux than Russia (how will the post-Giba era begin?).
