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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2020 12:04:46 GMT -5
You are correct: the data shows the drop-off happened, but it doesn't show why. That's my point. The fact that you are making an "educated guess" about the reason why her passing dropped of is exactly what you have been accusing others of doing. The only difference is that you believe your educated guesses are more valid. So, I'll ask you again: do you have another example of a passer having such a drop-off in similar circumstances, which would validate your theory about passing as a unit blah blah blah. The above is not an educated guess and it's not a theory. We teach this & use it. I went back and jumped thru several games from both years, specifically watching how they pass as a unit. Seriously, stop asking dumb questions and go compare two matches. I've told you exactly what to look out for. And yes, it happens with every elite passer, unless they (as with JWO - Maloney) are replaced by another elite Bro. It works in reverse obviously too. Since you wanted to know if Fleck would've helped Sun; she replaced the graduating UCSB Libero in 2019 but the other two passers remained the same. Ruddins went from a 1.99 passer in 2018 to 2.13 in 2019. The other starting outside (already a good passer) went from 2.12 to 2.32 which was one of the higher numbers for an OH in the country because she also had fewer responsibilities. But again, we don't need a trend for you to understand this. I just gave you a crash course in how & why a Libero helps. Go compare any Nebraska match from 2018 to 2019. "Stop asking stupid questions" [that I can't answer]. LOL Show me the data about passing improvement (or decline) in formation. I'm not asking you for your training techniques. I would ask a real coach for that if I wanted it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 12:29:32 GMT -5
The above is not an educated guess and it's not a theory. We teach this & use it. I went back and jumped thru several games from both years, specifically watching how they pass as a unit. Seriously, stop asking dumb questions and go compare two matches. I've told you exactly what to look out for. And yes, it happens with every elite passer, unless they (as with JWO - Maloney) are replaced by another elite Bro. It works in reverse obviously too. Since you wanted to know if Fleck would've helped Sun; she replaced the graduating UCSB Libero in 2019 but the other two passers remained the same. Ruddins went from a 1.99 passer in 2018 to 2.13 in 2019. The other starting outside (already a good passer) went from 2.12 to 2.32 which was one of the higher numbers for an OH in the country because she also had fewer responsibilities. But again, we don't need a trend for you to understand this. I just gave you a crash course in how & why a Libero helps. Go compare any Nebraska match from 2018 to 2019. "Stop asking stupid questions" [that I can't answer]. LOL Show me the data about passing improvement (or decline) in formation. I'm not asking you for your training techniques. I would ask a real coach for that if I wanted it. Can you not see Maloney pinching Sun when she's in SR in any match from 2018? Do you see Knuckles doing that? In 2019, who takes the Z1/6 seam, Sun or Knuckles? What about in 2018? These aren't hard questions if you watch the matches.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2020 12:42:45 GMT -5
"Stop asking stupid questions" [that I can't answer]. LOL Show me the data about passing improvement (or decline) in formation. I'm not asking you for your training techniques. I would ask a real coach for that if I wanted it. Can you not see Maloney pinching Sun when she's in SR in any match from 2018? Do you see Knuckles doing that? In 2019, who takes the Z1/6 seam, Sun or Knuckles? What about in 2018? These aren't hard questions if you watch the matches. I understand that. Because you are always pushing your data mindset, I was under the impression that your assessment of Sun's decline was driven by some data (other than the aggregate passing stats.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 12:54:54 GMT -5
Can you not see Maloney pinching Sun when she's in SR in any match from 2018? Do you see Knuckles doing that? In 2019, who takes the Z1/6 seam, Sun or Knuckles? What about in 2018? These aren't hard questions if you watch the matches. I understand that. Because you are always pushing your data mindset, I was under the impression that your assessment of Sun's decline was driven by some data (other than the aggregate passing stats.) What do you understand? You were asking about Sun's decline in passing, and now you're dodging that conversation, so tell me what you understand... In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2020 13:02:40 GMT -5
I understand that. Because you are always pushing your data mindset, I was under the impression that your assessment of Sun's decline was driven by some data (other than the aggregate passing stats.) What do you understand? You were asking about Sun's decline in passing, and now you're dodging that conversation, so tell me what you understand... In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019? I can watch those matches on my own, thank you. I was only interested in any data of value that informed your "opinion". I asked you early on how you characterized your assessment of the reasons for Sun's precipitous drop in passing, and you completely dodged those questions--several times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:08:35 GMT -5
What do you understand? You were asking about Sun's decline in passing, and now you're dodging that conversation, so tell me what you understand... In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019? I can watch those matches on my own, thank you. I was only interested in any data of value that informed your "opinion". I asked you early on how you characterized your assessment of the reasons for Sun's precipitous drop in passing, and you completely dodged those question--several times. It's a fact. I've told you why many times now. Watch a match and answer my last question. Then you will understand that this isn't my "opinion" and it's not based on numbers. Unless (as I suspect) you have no idea what you're looking at when you watch SR. In which case, keep avoiding the above question (it's very simple). For reference; In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019?
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2020 13:13:51 GMT -5
I can watch those matches on my own, thank you. I was only interested in any data of value that informed your "opinion". I asked you early on how you characterized your assessment of the reasons for Sun's precipitous drop in passing, and you completely dodged those question--several times. It's a fact. I've told you why many times now. Watch a match and answer my last question. Then you will understand that this isn't my "opinion" and it's not based on numbers. Unless (as I suspect) you have no idea what you're looking at when you watch SR. In which case, keep avoiding the above question (it's very simple). For reference; In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019? The reason you are ascribing to the entirety of the drop is not a fact. When will you understand that? I mean, you already said it was an educated guess. I'll leave it at this, I knew dorothymantooth. dorothymantooth was kinda, sorta a friend mine. You sir, are no dorothymantooth. Husker fans will know what I mean.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:32:49 GMT -5
It's a fact. I've told you why many times now. Watch a match and answer my last question. Then you will understand that this isn't my "opinion" and it's not based on numbers. Unless (as I suspect) you have no idea what you're looking at when you watch SR. In which case, keep avoiding the above question (it's very simple). For reference; In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019? The reason you are ascribing to the entirety of the drop is not a fact. When will you understand that? I mean, you already said it was an educated guess. I'll leave it at this, I knew dorothymantooth. dorothymantooth was kinda, sorta a friend mine. You sir, are no dorothymantooth. Husker fans will know what I mean. It was an educated guess BEFORE I sat down to compare Sun & Maloney to Sun & Knuckles. The second you watch the film, you know. Unless, of course, you don't have the first clue about volleyball. And here's the thing, you're trying to make a point about me (while making ad hom attacks) -- which, I think, was that I post too much data -- and I'm trying to get you to talk about volleyball. But you can't; because you have 13,000 posts and know less about the sport than my dog. Yes, I share data. What you fail to grasp is that the data comes from the MATCHES and if you had the first clue about this sport you could watch a match and confirm everything I've posted about Sun 2018 vs Sun 2019. But you don't because you can't. You exposed that by trying to quiz me on something this basic. Stick to attacking other posters. Posting about volleyball doesn't work for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 13:35:11 GMT -5
The reason you are ascribing to the entirety of the drop is not a fact. When will you understand that? I mean, you already said it was an educated guess. I'll leave it at this, I knew dorothymantooth. dorothymantooth was kinda, sorta a friend mine. You sir, are no dorothymantooth. Husker fans will know what I mean. It was an educated guess BEFORE I sat down to compare Sun & Maloney to Sun & Knuckles. The second you watch the film, you know. Unless, of course, you don't have the first clue about volleyball. And here's the thing, you're trying to make a point about me (while making ad hom attacks) -- which, I think, was that I post too much data -- and I'm trying to get you to talk about volleyball. But you can't; because you have 13,000 posts and know less about the sport than my dog. Yes, I share data. What you fail to grasp is that the data comes from the MATCHES and if you had the first clue about this sport you could watch a match and confirm everything I've posted about Sun 2018 vs Sun 2019. But you don't because you can't. You exposed that by trying to quiz me on something this basic. Stick to attacking other posters. Posting about volleyball doesn't work for you. What kind of dog do you have
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 14, 2020 14:39:03 GMT -5
The reason you are ascribing to the entirety of the drop is not a fact. When will you understand that? I mean, you already said it was an educated guess. I'll leave it at this, I knew dorothymantooth. dorothymantooth was kinda, sorta a friend mine. You sir, are no dorothymantooth. Husker fans will know what I mean. It was an educated guess BEFORE I sat down to compare Sun & Maloney to Sun & Knuckles. The second you watch the film, you know. Unless, of course, you don't have the first clue about volleyball. And here's the thing, you're trying to make a point about me (while making ad hom attacks) -- which, I think, was that I post too much data -- and I'm trying to get you to talk about volleyball. But you can't; because you have 13,000 posts and know less about the sport than my dog. Yes, I share data. What you fail to grasp is that the data comes from the MATCHES and if you had the first clue about this sport you could watch a match and confirm everything I've posted about Sun 2018 vs Sun 2019. But you don't because you can't. You exposed that by trying to quiz me on something this basic. Stick to attacking other posters. Posting about volleyball doesn't work for you. You must have one smart dog. You should listen to him more.
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Post by donut on Apr 14, 2020 14:40:35 GMT -5
@bigwestfan2 : two genuine questions for you.
1) Do you think it is possible there are other contributory factors to Lexi Sun's drop in passing, or is the replacement of Knuckles for Maloney the only factor?
and 2) Do you think that every single time an "elite libero" is replaced by a "weaker libero," the passing numbers of the other primary passers go down?
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 14, 2020 14:45:10 GMT -5
It's a fact. I've told you why many times now. Watch a match and answer my last question. Then you will understand that this isn't my "opinion" and it's not based on numbers. Unless (as I suspect) you have no idea what you're looking at when you watch SR. In which case, keep avoiding the above question (it's very simple). For reference; In rotations 3 & 6 what responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019? The reason you are ascribing to the entirety of the drop is not a fact. When will you understand that? I mean, you already said it was an educated guess. I'll leave it at this, I knew dorothymantooth. dorothymantooth was kinda, sorta a friend mine. You sir, are no dorothymantooth. Husker fans will know what I mean. One of my favorite all time posters. I miss Dorothy.
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Post by holidayhusker on Apr 14, 2020 14:46:26 GMT -5
is the pissing match over yet? Please let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 14:57:14 GMT -5
@bigwestfan2 : two genuine questions for you. 1) Do you think it is possible there are other contributory factors to Lexi Sun's drop in passing, or is the replacement of Knuckles for Maloney the only factor? and 2) Do you think that every single time an "elite libero" is replaced by a "weaker libero," the passing numbers of the other primary passers go down? 1) Sure, it's possible. I've never said it wasn't. But having looked at the film, the loss of Maloney definitely impacted Sun and I'm a big believer of Occam's Razor when applied to volley. 2) There's no need to make an absolute statement here. Why do you guys keep wanting to reframe a really simple situation? Deal with a real-world instance. We were talking about a specific passer at the same college two years running, with different supporting players. The numbers suggested that Sun had uncharacteristically dropped from her first two years. Given the circumstances, the most common answer would be that she'd suddenly had greater responsibility and she was struggling with it. I'm encouraging you not to believe me: check for yourself. You'll see it immediately. Look at rotations 3 & 6. What responsibilities did the passer in Z1 have in 2018 compared with 2019?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 14:59:28 GMT -5
is the pissing match over yet? Please let me know. It never started. 'Volley guy' can't actually talk about volleyball.
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