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Post by volleytology on May 13, 2015 9:29:09 GMT -5
This one has the curtain over the net drill beat hands down. In fact I'm changing the curtain drill to "The Bloody Curtain" drill.
I was at a coaching clinic a few years ago where John Kessel was going to be presenting later that day. One of the coaches speaking in the morning (a HS coach with a generally successful team, by W-L standards) used this game as part of her presentation with her team. Kessel walked out of the gym. I just laughed and wondered what I was paying for. What level of player has Kessel coached and developed? What kind of coaching success does he have ? I'm unfamiliar with his coaching background and success therein |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 11:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by s0uthie on May 13, 2015 13:03:42 GMT -5
I was at a coaching clinic a few years ago where John Kessel was going to be presenting later that day. One of the coaches speaking in the morning (a HS coach with a generally successful team, by W-L standards) used this game as part of her presentation with her team. Kessel walked out of the gym. I just laughed and wondered what I was paying for. What level of player has Kessel coached and developed? What kind of coaching success does he have ? I'm unfamiliar with his coaching background and success therein Are you asking from a genuine lack of knowledge or—as I suspect—sarcastically? This type of ad hominem gets brought up a lot when debating the coaching principles for which Kessel advocates. I wouldn't want to accidentally call anyone out without being sure. |
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Post by volleytology on May 13, 2015 13:24:32 GMT -5
What level of player has Kessel coached and developed? What kind of coaching success does he have ? I'm unfamiliar with his coaching background and success therein Are you asking from a genuine lack of knowledge or—as I suspect—sarcastically? This type of ad hominem gets brought up a lot when debating the coaching principles for which Kessel advocates. I wouldn't want to accidentally call anyone out without being sure. Actually, good call--there is a bit of sarcasm in my post, but Kessel and his background have always fascinated me. He has a lengthy history and has philosophized in great quantity, but his actual coaching history and even his credentials have always been a mystery to me. Seems to have carved out a niche in this sport as the renaissance thinker of all things volleyball and has had over the years worn a lot of hats; with much admiration and attention. What is your take on what his actual accomplishments are ? |
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on May 13, 2015 13:27:03 GMT -5
This isn't exactly the dumbest idea I've ever heard, but I don't understand why she doesn't just have them catch the ball with their elbows at their sides. The between the legs thing is ridiculous. |
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Post by vbcoachsouth on May 13, 2015 14:33:51 GMT -5
Are you asking from a genuine lack of knowledge or—as I suspect—sarcastically? This type of ad hominem gets brought up a lot when debating the coaching principles for which Kessel advocates. I wouldn't want to accidentally call anyone out without being sure. Actually, good call--there is a bit of sarcasm in my post, but Kessel and his background have always fascinated me. He has a lengthy history and has philosophized in great quantity, but his actual coaching history and even his credentials have always been a mystery to me. Seems to have carved out a niche in this sport as the renaissance thinker of all things volleyball and has had over the years worn a lot of hats; with much admiration and attention. What is your take on what his actual accomplishments are ? he used to coach at a club Stellar out of Colorado, i remember watching his 13s team get to the quarters or maybe semi's one year at nationals, i believe '06? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 16:16:06 GMT -5
This isn't exactly the dumbest idea I've ever heard, but I don't understand why she doesn't just have them catch the ball with their elbows at their sides. The between the legs thing is ridiculous. This seems like one of the best drills for girls to roll ankles on that I have seen. Wonder how many injuries it causes each year when you have 9 girls running it and "jumping over balls"? |
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Post by vbman100 on May 14, 2015 7:17:51 GMT -5
I was at a coaching clinic a few years ago where John Kessel was going to be presenting later that day. One of the coaches speaking in the morning (a HS coach with a generally successful team, by W-L standards) used this game as part of her presentation with her team. Kessel walked out of the gym. I just laughed and wondered what I was paying for. What level of player has Kessel coached and developed? What kind of coaching success does he have ? I'm unfamiliar with his coaching background and success therein That is a good question. Honestly. I don't know all of his background. I do know there are some coaches that are thought of as highly successful but are mainly successful because their teams practice twice as much as everyone else and have won a national championship here and there. I do agree with a lot of his thoughts (running as part of a tryout, small sided games, less coach talk, more player interaction/guided discovery, pass every serve in practice), and there are some I do not agree with. I do have to agree with him on the Bloody Knuckles game. And I may be wrong, but I think he had something to do with the development of this player: www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46484&SPID=4220&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=210069404&DB_OEM_ID=10600Not saying John should take all of the credit, but he probably had something to do with the skill training. |
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Post by sevb on May 14, 2015 12:39:23 GMT -5
Hes the GM2 guy right?
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2015 13:32:24 GMT -5
Eh not really. I've never once heard him quote a statistic. |
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Post by jcvb on May 14, 2015 14:00:35 GMT -5
This is a legitimate question. And none of those links answer it. Who has he personally coached and/or developed? There's no doubt that John was/is a good player...or that his son is a great player. There's ABSOLUTELY no doubt the man is passionate about the game and a great ambassador both here and abroad. But his honors, including HOF induction, seem to have more to do with his passion for traveling as an ambassador of the game than his accomplishments in it. So the question still stands. Who/What/Where has John Kessel coached successfully in, say, the last 25 years? When/Where has he personally shown the success of his methods, ideologies, etc.? The answer lends directly to the credibility of his teachings and his "this is THE way" method of delivery. |
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Post by vbman100 on May 15, 2015 7:01:18 GMT -5
I don't know John personally, but I think his definition of success has to do with getting young kids to keep playing (grow the game), as well as what leads to winning a gold medal. And they don't have to be mutually exclusive.
His question about why have the US men won 3 and the US women won zero indoor Olympic golds (and other int'l competition success as well) when we have so many more female players and most men's vb players in this country do not start playing until a later age is a good one. With all the club programs and HS programs and so on that we have, why have the men been more 'successful'?
I think he gets people to question things and not coach the way they were coached. As a grassroots coordinator, that is his job. His methods may not always be the best for a college or HS team, but having 10 year olds pass for an hour 'because if you can't pass, you can't play' does not encourage people to continue playing. Playing a traditional 6 vs 6 game for 14U teams who can't pass-set-hit just creates opportunities to fail and all they do is learn to rotate, not play the game. And so on.
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Post by rsell01 on May 15, 2015 8:46:06 GMT -5
This is a legitimate question. And none of those links answer it. Who has he personally coached and/or developed? There's no doubt that John was/is a good player...or that his son is a great player. There's ABSOLUTELY no doubt the man is passionate about the game and a great ambassador both here and abroad. But his honors, including HOF induction, seem to have more to do with his passion for traveling as an ambassador of the game than his accomplishments in it. So the question still stands. Who/What/Where has John Kessel coached successfully in, say, the last 25 years? When/Where has he personally shown the success of his methods, ideologies, etc.? The answer lends directly to the credibility of his teachings and his "this is THE way" method of delivery. I think what you need to really look at is his son. Not just as a player but a person. www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=205337630 |
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Post by vbcoachsouth on May 15, 2015 9:33:09 GMT -5
This is a legitimate question. And none of those links answer it. Who has he personally coached and/or developed? There's no doubt that John was/is a good player...or that his son is a great player. There's ABSOLUTELY no doubt the man is passionate about the game and a great ambassador both here and abroad. But his honors, including HOF induction, seem to have more to do with his passion for traveling as an ambassador of the game than his accomplishments in it. So the question still stands. Who/What/Where has John Kessel coached successfully in, say, the last 25 years? When/Where has he personally shown the success of his methods, ideologies, etc.? The answer lends directly to the credibility of his teachings and his "this is THE way" method of delivery. as i stated above, he coached at the club Stellar out of Colorado, he has at least one 5th (or 3rd place?) finish with a 13s team, but that club has dissolved since, i believe... |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 13:20:36 GMT -5
This is a legitimate question. And none of those links answer it. Who has he personally coached and/or developed? There's no doubt that John was/is a good player...or that his son is a great player. There's ABSOLUTELY no doubt the man is passionate about the game and a great ambassador both here and abroad. But his honors, including HOF induction, seem to have more to do with his passion for traveling as an ambassador of the game than his accomplishments in it. So the question still stands. Who/What/Where has John Kessel coached successfully in, say, the last 25 years? When/Where has he personally shown the success of his methods, ideologies, etc.? The answer lends directly to the credibility of his teachings and his "this is THE way" method of delivery. as i stated above, he coached at the club Stellar out of Colorado, he has at least one 5th (or 3rd place?) finish with a 13s team, but that club has dissolved since, i believe... That surprises me. Maybe he did not have enough time to put his theories into practice. If someone took his theories to heart and started with 8 year old kids playing his mini volleyball system, I would think that the club would win regularly at the 12, 13 and maybe 14U levels. They would be the best defensive teams out there. |
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