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Post by #skoskers on Jul 12, 2015 19:23:57 GMT -5
Umm no. Wolosz is a fairly weak blocker. I think you mean Skorupa. The other two are fine blockers but don't dig nearly as well as Glass. If you add serving, I could see Astartseva's non-setting skills being equal to Glass'. Joanna Wolosz stuffed a lot of left-side attacks in last season's CL and ranked as the best blocker among setters, while Skorupa was a better blocker than Glass in the Italian league. Wolosz and Glass are still third/fourth to Startseva and Naz when it comes to blocking and digging, however. |
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Post by n00b on Jul 12, 2015 19:27:36 GMT -5
Interesting. I admittedly have no clue how Olympic roster rules work. Is that true about all players? If somebody gets hurt, you can add somebody to the roster? My understanding is you may designate one player as libero for the duration of the tournament. I would then assume that anyone else on that roster would not be eligible to compete as libero. This would then make sense that if a libero is not physically healthy enough to play, a previously non-rostered player may be brought in to fill that role. FIVB rules now allow for two liberos to be used in a single set, so I'd have to imagine you can designate more than one for the tournament. You can see from today's stats that each team designated two liberos. |
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Post by #skoskers on Jul 12, 2015 19:29:33 GMT -5
My understanding is you may designate one player as libero for the duration of the tournament. I would then assume that anyone else on that roster would not be eligible to compete as libero. This would then make sense that if a libero is not physically healthy enough to play, a previously non-rostered player may be brought in to fill that role. FIVB rules now allow for two liberos to be used in a single set, so I'd have to imagine you can designate more than one for the tournament. You can see from today's stats that each team designated two liberos. This makes sense, given how some teams are using a two-libero system. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 19:35:13 GMT -5
From the FIVB Rulebook, page 41.
19 THE LIBERO PLAYER
19.1 DESIGNATION OF THE LIBERO 5
19.1.1 Each team has the right to designate from the list of players on the
score sheet up to two specialist defensive players: Liberos.
In FIVB, World and Official competitions for Seniors, if a team
has more than 12 players recorded in the score sheet, TWO
Liberos are mandatory in the team list.
(emphasis mine)
From page 43:
19.4.2.1 When only one Libero is available for a team according to Rule 19.4.1,
or the team has only one registered, and this Libero becomes or is
declared unable to play, the coach (or game captain if no coach is
present) may re-designate as Libero for the remainder of the match
any other player (replacement player excepted) not on the court at the
moment of the re-designation.
Furthermore...
19.4.2.2 If the Acting Libero becomes unable to play, he/she may be replaced by
the regular replacement player or immediately and directly to court
by a re-designated Libero. However, a Libero who is the subject of a
re-designation may not play for the remainder of the match.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 12, 2015 20:00:31 GMT -5
Umm no. Wolosz is a fairly weak blocker. I think you mean Skorupa. The other two are fine blockers but don't dig nearly as well as Glass. If you add serving, I could see Astartseva's non-setting skills being equal to Glass'. Joanna Wolosz stuffed a lot of left-side attacks in last season's CL and ranked as the best blocker among setters, while Skorupa was a better blocker than Glass in the Italian league. Wolosz and Glass are still third/fourth to Startseva and Naz when it comes to blocking and digging, however. And Skorupa and Glass and several others were ahead of Wolosz in the Italian League as well, and she was one of the weakest blocking setters in the previous Italian league season. I'm not sure why you're using cumulative Champions League stats for anything, it's a very small number of matches with teams playing really disproportionate strengths of schedule. But I guess it leads you to ridiculous conclusions like that. And Naz isn't very much above average digging for her position....... |
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Post by #skoskers on Jul 12, 2015 20:09:45 GMT -5
Joanna Wolosz stuffed a lot of left-side attacks in last season's CL and ranked as the best blocker among setters, while Skorupa was a better blocker than Glass in the Italian league. Wolosz and Glass are still third/fourth to Startseva and Naz when it comes to blocking and digging, however. And Skorupa and Glass and several others were ahead of Wolosz in the Italian League as well, and she was one of the weakest blocking setters in the previous Italian league season. I'm not sure why you're using cumulative Champions League stats for anything, it's a very small number of matches with teams playing really disproportionate strengths of schedule. But I guess it leads you to ridiculous conclusions like that. And Naz isn't very much above average digging for her position....... Twelve is a very small number of matches against higher-level competition? Wolosz ranked better than Sheilla, Diouf, and Jordan in the same category. I don't have a horse in this race, but apparently you do. Back to point, I think there are other setters that are better at blocking and digging (combined) than Glass, and you reminded me of Skorupa, so add her to the list. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 12, 2015 20:14:13 GMT -5
And Skorupa and Glass and several others were ahead of Wolosz in the Italian League as well, and she was one of the weakest blocking setters in the previous Italian league season. I'm not sure why you're using cumulative Champions League stats for anything, it's a very small number of matches with teams playing really disproportionate strengths of schedule. But I guess it leads you to ridiculous conclusions like that. And Naz isn't very much above average digging for her position....... Twelve is a very small number of matches against higher-level competition? Wolosz ranked better than Sheilla, Diouf, and Jordan in the same category. I don't have a horse in this race, but apparently you do. Yes. It is small. And the full schedule is not necessarily "higher level competition." And please, do argue that she's a better blocker than Diouf. (Hint: that should tell you the stats aren't reliable). Seriously, she's the third-best blocker among setters from POLAND. Why are you bringing her up her? Having one link to one stat set against disparate opponents without context doesn't mean anything. |
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Post by kokyu on Jul 12, 2015 20:16:23 GMT -5
Maybe he's just pulling a kro.
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Post by #skoskers on Jul 12, 2015 20:26:04 GMT -5
Maybe he's just pulling a kro. If that means grinding C4ndle's gears so easily, then yes.  He can watch the CL replays on Laola if he wants to see for himself--not my problem. |
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 12, 2015 20:27:27 GMT -5
From the FIVB Rulebook, page 41. 19 THE LIBERO PLAYER 19.1 DESIGNATION OF THE LIBERO 5 19.1.1 Each team has the right to designate from the list of players on the score sheet up to two specialist defensive players: Liberos. In FIVB, World and Official competitions for Seniors, if a team
has more than 12 players recorded in the score sheet, TWO
Liberos are mandatory in the team list.(emphasis mine) From page 43: 19.4.2.1 When only one Libero is available for a team according to Rule 19.4.1, or the team has only one registered, and this Libero becomes or is declared unable to play, the coach (or game captain if no coach is present) may re-designate as Libero for the remainder of the match any other player (replacement player excepted) not on the court at the moment of the re-designation. Furthermore... 19.4.2.2 If the Acting Libero becomes unable to play, he/she may be replaced by the regular replacement player or immediately and directly to court by a re-designated Libero. However, a Libero who is the subject of a re-designation may not play for the remainder of the match. I think the Olympics set the number of players at 12... The fivb doesn't have input, I believe... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -5
From the FIVB Rulebook, page 41. 19 THE LIBERO PLAYER 19.1 DESIGNATION OF THE LIBERO 5 19.1.1 Each team has the right to designate from the list of players on the score sheet up to two specialist defensive players: Liberos. In FIVB, World and Official competitions for Seniors, if a team
has more than 12 players recorded in the score sheet, TWO
Liberos are mandatory in the team list.(emphasis mine) From page 43: 19.4.2.1 When only one Libero is available for a team according to Rule 19.4.1, or the team has only one registered, and this Libero becomes or is declared unable to play, the coach (or game captain if no coach is present) may re-designate as Libero for the remainder of the match any other player (replacement player excepted) not on the court at the moment of the re-designation. Furthermore... 19.4.2.2 If the Acting Libero becomes unable to play, he/she may be replaced by the regular replacement player or immediately and directly to court by a re-designated Libero. However, a Libero who is the subject of a re-designation may not play for the remainder of the match. I think the Olympics set the number of players at 12... The fivb doesn't Havel input, I believe... Yes, Olympic roster is 12. |
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Post by trollhunter on Jul 12, 2015 20:33:52 GMT -5
L - Natalie Hagglund S - Micha Hancock, Lauren Carlini MB - Foluke Akinradewo, Tori Dixon, Chiaka Ogbogu OH - Kimberly Hill, Krista Vansant, Haley Eckerman, Taylor Simpson OPP - Karsta Lowe, Jennifer Hamson (in case she doesn't make it to the USA basketball national team) Could almost be our World University Games team. |
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Post by #skoskers on Jul 12, 2015 20:35:37 GMT -5
L - Natalie Hagglund S - Micha Hancock, Lauren Carlini MB - Foluke Akinradewo, Tori Dixon, Chiaka Ogbogu OH - Kimberly Hill, Krista Vansant, Haley Eckerman, Taylor Simpson OPP - Karsta Lowe, Jennifer Hamson (in case she doesn't make it to the USA basketball national team) Maybe 2020? |
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Post by Reach on Jul 12, 2015 20:55:47 GMT -5
Maybe he's just pulling a kro. Maybe he's pulling a Kokyu #plum |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 12, 2015 23:19:41 GMT -5
Serving and defending are totally irrelevant if she's just filling the double-sub opposite role. I'm not arguing that whether she's better or worse than either lefty, but I'm sure the stats guys (and USAV certainly listens to them) will argue that playing the better player is more important than a different look and experience (this group isn't lacking in veterans with Olympic experience). With only 12 on the roster, if only two OPPs are taken, the dub-sub OPP has to be able to step in as a backup, in case one of the starter is injured, so serving and defending would relevant. Karch also doesn't always employ the dub-sub, so in those sets, Fawcett could be used as a serving sub. Murphy and Lowe are not only lefties, but both are better hitters than blockers. A complementary player would be the better blocker. |
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