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Post by deacondive on Jul 12, 2015 23:31:05 GMT -5
From THAT roster, if Banwarth got hurt I'm pretty sure Robinson would slide into the libero spot. I haven't seen a whole lot of Davis this year. Has she played in any relevant international matches? If the libero got hurt, they can bring someone in from home for the next match. No. Once the games start, you cannot bring in a new player. You would have to use someone else already on the roster. |
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Post by pumpkin on Jul 12, 2015 23:31:37 GMT -5
OPP-Murphy,Fawcett
S-Thomson,Lloyd
MB-Akin,Diet,Dix
OH-Larson,Hill,Robo,Richards
L-(Tom,IMO),Lit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 0:33:33 GMT -5
Fawcett is a better blocker, a better server, a significantly better defender, is better out-of-system, and attacks from the left in rotation 1 better than Lowe or Murphy. She is also a great teammate and an experienced veteran. Her being right-handed also presents a different look for a defense prepared to defend a left-handed attacker. I think it's fairly obvious that Fawcett will continue to fill the double-sub opposite role for us at the World Cup and in Rio. Serving and defending are totally irrelevant if she's just filling the double-sub opposite role. I'm not arguing that whether she's better or worse than either lefty, but I'm sure the stats guys (and USAV certainly listens to them) will argue that playing the better player is more important than a different look and experience (this group isn't lacking in veterans with Olympic experience). During the World Championships, Fawcett was left in to serve after her three double-sub rotations several times. It matters. It matters if Lowe/Murphy were to get injured. It matters if someone is playing so poorly that they need to come off the floor. The "stats guy" can argue all they want about numbers, but taking the better numbers player doesn't mean anything if the Olympic environment completely overwhelms them to the point that numbers don't matter. Experience matters. Don't know how someone could logically argue otherwise. Fawcett has proven herself as someone that has the ability to inject some energy off the bench, make some plays, block, and side-out in rotation 1/4. I can't see a scenario where she doesn't go to Rio. And this group isn't lacking in veterans with Olympic experience? Our best starting lineup (Larson, Hill, Akinradewo, Harmotto, Glass, Lowe, Banwarth) includes four athletes who haven't been Olympians, and the other three would only be second-time Olympians. No one in the gym other than Davis has played in more than one Olympics, so I have no idea what you're talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 0:45:23 GMT -5
BTW, nothing on Fawcett, but completely agree on the idea that IF Lowe and Murphy are competing for the STARTING spot, take both of them and leave fawcett at home. If anything it keeps the setting the SAME for both setters, regardless of who comes in as a double sub. Setting a lefty OPP is much different than setting a righty OPP. IF both setters can step in and run the entire offense setting the same OPP set, it definitely seems more consistent. We've seen every roster since 2011 not follow what you're suggesting. Two opposites are selected to every travel roster: one is the starting opposite, and one is used for the double-sub. The same is true for setters. We don't take the two best 5-1 setters; we take the best 5-1 setter to start, and the best double-sub setter. We don't need two opposites with the exact same skill set, same strengths, same weaknesses. It makes more sense to take someone who is able to contribute cold off the bench and in areas where the starter is weak. And, just because they're both lefties who attack the same set doesn't mean that they're able to come into the middle of a set and contribute immediately. This suggestion just flies ignorantly in the face of what's been happening regarding roster selections. Why was Glass left home in 2012? Because, despite being the next best option to set the 5-1, she wasn't good off the bench in the double-sub role. Thompson was, which is why Glass started at the WGP finals before London while Thompson still went to run the double-sub in every set. Why was Metcalf left home in 2012? Because, despite being the next best six-rotation opposite, she wasn't good off the bench in the double-sub role. Haneef-Park was (well, was supposed to be...), which is why Metcalf started at the WGP finals before London while Haneef-Park still went to run the double-sub in every set. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 0:46:01 GMT -5
If the libero got hurt, they can bring someone in from home for the next match. No. Once the games start, you cannot bring in a new player. You would have to use someone else already on the roster. Correct. Alternates are only available if a player is deemed unable to compete before the Games begin. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 13, 2015 0:56:09 GMT -5
Moreover, the first Olympic experience for the vast majority of athletes is simply overwhelming. The opening ceremonies and athlete procession into the stadium (which takes over 6 hours from beginning to end), rubbing shoulders with super star athletes in the confines of the athlete's village, the amenities and give-always, accommodating family and loved ones who make the trip, etc. Regardless of how it is described, nothing really prepares one for the actual experience. Athletes fortunate enough to experience it a second time often say that their approach is so much more focused after having gone through it once before. Olympic experience really makes a difference--there is no substitute for it.
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Post by mrad on Jul 13, 2015 1:19:52 GMT -5
Picking Haneef-Park and Arruda was the dumbest move by Hugh. They did nothing for the team. Bown should have been on the roster. when Harmotto did not play well, Hugh was stuck. Plus Bown was very good blocker probably the best blocker we had. What did Megan Hodge do for them? Was she a .400 or .500 hitter ? Hugh fvked up as Larson talked about the other day. Now Lowe just had some decent outings against some class C team, people got all excited so lets put her on the rio roster. Did people forget Murphy help them win the first ever gold medal ? First ever gold medal.
I hope Karch do not repeat the mistakes Hugh did 3 years ago.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 13, 2015 1:22:28 GMT -5
BTW, nothing on Fawcett, but completely agree on the idea that IF Lowe and Murphy are competing for the STARTING spot, take both of them and leave fawcett at home. If anything it keeps the setting the SAME for both setters, regardless of who comes in as a double sub. Setting a lefty OPP is much different than setting a righty OPP. IF both setters can step in and run the entire offense setting the same OPP set, it definitely seems more consistent. We've seen every roster since 2011 not follow what you're suggesting. Two opposites are selected to every travel roster: one is the starting opposite, and one is used for the double-sub. The same is true for setters. We don't take the two best 5-1 setters; we take the best 5-1 setter to start, and the best double-sub setter. We don't need two opposites with the exact same skill set, same strengths, same weaknesses. It makes more sense to take someone who is able to contribute cold off the bench and in areas where the starter is weak. And, just because they're both lefties who attack the same set doesn't mean that they're able to come into the middle of a set and contribute immediately. This suggestion just flies ignorantly in the face of what's been happening regarding roster selections. Why was Glass left home in 2012? Because, despite being the next best option to set the 5-1, she wasn't good off the bench in the double-sub role. Thompson was, which is why Glass started at the WGP finals before London while Thompson still went to run the double-sub in every set. Why was Metcalf left home in 2012? Because, despite being the next best six-rotation opposite, she wasn't good off the bench in the double-sub role. Haneef-Park was (well, was supposed to be...), which is why Metcalf started at the WGP finals before London while Haneef-Park still went to run the double-sub in every set. Ok well this is assuming that neither Lowe or Murphy are good "off the bench". I think it's fine to demote one of them and bring Fawcett if both of them are not good off the bench in a double sub role, but I'm not sure that's really the case. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 13, 2015 1:38:58 GMT -5
Picking Haneef-Park and Arruda was the dumbest move by Hugh. They did nothing for the team. Bown should have been on the roster. when Harmotto did not play well, Hugh was stuck. Plus Bown was very good blocker probably the best blocker we had. What did Megan Hodge do for them? Was she a .400 or .500 hitter ? Hugh fvked up as Larson talked about the other day. Now Lowe just had some decent outings against some class C team, people got all excited so lets put her on the rio roster. Did people forget Murphy help them win the first ever gold medal ? First ever gold medal. I hope Karch do not repeat the mistakes Hugh did 3 years ago. What Olympic Games were you watching in 2012. The team basically steam-rolled into the finals. The only problem was the majority of them choked in the Gold medal Final (including High). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 1:48:25 GMT -5
Picking Haneef-Park and Arruda was the dumbest move by Hugh. They did nothing for the team. Bown should have been on the roster. when Harmotto did not play well, Hugh was stuck. Plus Bown was very good blocker probably the best blocker we had. What did Megan Hodge do for them? Was she a .400 or .500 hitter ? Hugh fvked up as Larson talked about the other day. Now Lowe just had some decent outings against some class C team, people got all excited so lets put her on the rio roster. Did people forget Murphy help them win the first ever gold medal ? First ever gold medal. I hope Karch do not repeat the mistakes Hugh did 3 years ago. When did larson talk about hugh screwing up? She talked about the team underperforming in the gold medal match... |
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Post by mrad on Jul 13, 2015 1:50:04 GMT -5
Picking Haneef-Park and Arruda was the dumbest move by Hugh. They did nothing for the team. Bown should have been on the roster. when Harmotto did not play well, Hugh was stuck. Plus Bown was very good blocker probably the best blocker we had. What did Megan Hodge do for them? Was she a .400 or .500 hitter ? Hugh fvked up as Larson talked about the other day. Now Lowe just had some decent outings against some class C team, people got all excited so lets put her on the rio roster. Did people forget Murphy help them win the first ever gold medal ? First ever gold medal. I hope Karch do not repeat the mistakes Hugh did 3 years ago. What Olympic Games were you watching in 2012. The team basically steam-rolled into the finals. The only problem was the majority of them choked in the Gold medal Final (including High). Steam-rolling was the problem Larson pointed out. Hugh did not prepare for disasters and when it happened, he did not know what to do. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 13, 2015 1:59:11 GMT -5
Picking Haneef-Park and Arruda was the dumbest move by Hugh. They did nothing for the team. Bown should have been on the roster. when Harmotto did not play well, Hugh was stuck. Plus Bown was very good blocker probably the best blocker we had. What did Megan Hodge do for them? Was she a .400 or .500 hitter ? Hugh fvked up as Larson talked about the other day. Now Lowe just had some decent outings against some class C team, people got all excited so lets put her on the rio roster. Did people forget Murphy help them win the first ever gold medal ? First ever gold medal. I hope Karch do not repeat the mistakes Hugh did 3 years ago. But its not like Murphy hasn't been given opportunities to compete against Lowe. For what its worth, if rosters were due now, Murphy would be chosen IMO, but I think Lowe will eventually get chosen. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 13, 2015 2:00:14 GMT -5
What Olympic Games were you watching in 2012. The team basically steam-rolled into the finals. The only problem was the majority of them choked in the Gold medal Final (including High). Steam-rolling was the problem Larson pointed out. Hugh did not prepare for disasters and when it happened, he did not know what to do. And judging by the stats, neither did Larson or Harmotto. P2-038.pdf (38.2 KB) P3-038.pdf (68.88 KB) |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Jul 13, 2015 2:12:01 GMT -5
If Glass is taken to Rio, wouldn't it be smarter to take another 5-1 setter in case Glass' injury comes back or is re-injured?
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Post by ballervolley on Jul 13, 2015 2:20:42 GMT -5
If Glass is taken to Rio, wouldn't it be smarter to take another 5-1 setter in case Glass' injury comes back or is re-injured? karch would be insane to take thompson. and kreklow i'm not high on. jesus christ can't we find other beter setters to at least give a chance. |
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