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Post by hammer on Nov 29, 2015 15:45:23 GMT -5
Sure, Stanford may have been better with Inky. But didn't Dunning know before the start of the season that Inky would not be playing all season? Wasn't he able to plan for that? Isn't it just as challenging (or more so) for a team like ASU to lose Gardner or UW to lose DeHoog mid-season when lineups and rotations are already set? Stanford doesn't have a copyright on injuries to key players. Yeah, Dunning went right out and recruited a replacement for Inky ... Dunning is a genius and miracle worker!!
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Post by hammer on Nov 29, 2015 15:47:12 GMT -5
regardless of Cal's record, Maddie Kerr is LOY, imho. She is good, but you know how these things work. If you are on a bottom feeder, it is hard to get recognition and awards.
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Post by hammer on Nov 29, 2015 15:49:41 GMT -5
But that's before injury for asu. I watched them cream colorado state. They would have won the pac12 I think they would have been top 3 and in the running for #1, but a blanket #1, then no.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 29, 2015 15:52:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but inky alone is 100 times greater a loss than dehoog. And burgess at not even half of her former self? Gardner at ASU is a huge loss. Dehoog is not. A loss, but no where near Stanford or ASU 100 times? You get the 2015 Volleytalk Hyperbole Award, and a leg up on next year's Turkey of the Year awards. You don't think the most complete player on Sanfords roster, a two time first team AA, leading offensive output, and the best middle in the country is that much more of a loss than a 3 rotation Opp who wasn't averaging that many kills? Granted, I exaggerated, but you get the drift. They aren't even comparable
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Post by soundthesiren on Nov 29, 2015 16:23:08 GMT -5
Yes I'm a Dawg, but Strickland makes Washington go and Sybeldon is a force both offensively and defensively. Both are deserving of all PAC-12 honors.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2015 16:41:27 GMT -5
But that's before injury for asu. I watched them cream colorado state. They would have won the pac12 Well, I'll just point out that the Huskies won the first set of their first match 25-6. Gardner didn't get injured until late in the second set. (ASU was leading the second set at the time of the injury, but it was very close.)
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Post by vbct3 on Nov 29, 2015 16:44:07 GMT -5
POY: Bricio (Sybeldon in a distant second) FOY: Hodson (Woodford second?) SOY: ... LOY: Strickland has picked up it in second half of season and she's known for the flashy plays. Whittingham has had the most consistent performance from start to finish but isn't flashy enough. But Formico gets my vote as the best of both worlds. I wouldn't be surprised if either Strickland or Formico get it with Whittingham as a dark-horse candidate. COY: Mickdome
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 29, 2015 16:47:47 GMT -5
Sure, Stanford may have been better with Inky. But didn't Dunning know before the start of the season that Inky would not be playing all season? Wasn't he able to plan for that? Isn't it just as challenging (or more so) for a team like ASU to lose Gardner or UW to lose DeHoog mid-season when lineups and rotations are already set? Stanford doesn't have a copyright on injuries to key players. Tomclen is really too much. Trying to compare DeHoog to Inky or Gardner? Very funny, not even considering the depth of UW, which makes Dehoog's loss even less impactful. No matter how good Inky is, it was much harder for ASU losing Gardner mid-season. I feel bad for ASU. I hope they make a strong comeback next year, keep the program moving forward.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 29, 2015 16:50:43 GMT -5
But that's before injury for asu. I watched them cream colorado state. They would have won the pac12 Well, I'll just point out that the Huskies won the first set of their first match 25-6. Gardner didn't get injured until late in the second set. (ASU was leading the second set at the time of the injury, but it was very close.) I don't like the argument, Mike. Losing a set, is one thing. Not same thing as losing a match. Congrats on beating ASU with Gardner in ONE set. But you did NOT beat ASU with Gardner in a whole match. I've seen this argument about ten times or more now. Who cares if you beat Gardner in one set.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 29, 2015 16:51:51 GMT -5
LOY; Formico
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 29, 2015 16:54:18 GMT -5
Well, I'll just point out that the Huskies won the first set of their first match 25-6. Gardner didn't get injured until late in the second set. (ASU was leading the second set at the time of the injury, but it was very close.) I don't like the argument, Mike. Losing a set, is one thing. Not same thing as losing a match. Congrats on beating ASU with Gardner in ONE set. But you did NOT beat ASU with Gardner in a whole match. I've seen this argument about ten times or more now. Who cares if you beat Gardner in one set. And furthermore, like YOU pointed out, ASU was leading in 2nd set when Gardner went down. Definitely a possibility that Gardner would have lead her team to victory over Washington. She hadn't lost a MATCH all year.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 29, 2015 17:06:36 GMT -5
Go back and read my original post. I didn't say DeHoog was as good as Inky or Gardner. What I suggested was losing players like DeHoog and Gardner mid-season has the potential to be a bigger challenge for a coaching staff than knowing before the season begins that you won't have a key player.
And let's not pooh-pooh the play of DeHoog.
vs.Oregon she had 9 kills and hit .818 vs. OSU she had 6 kills and hit .400 vs. ASU 4 kills and hit .375 at USC 5 kills hitting .417 at UCLA she had 8 kills and hit .500.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 29, 2015 17:06:39 GMT -5
I don't like the argument, Mike. Losing a set, is one thing. Not same thing as losing a match. Congrats on beating ASU with Gardner in ONE set. But you did NOT beat ASU with Gardner in a whole match. I've seen this argument about ten times or more now. Who cares if you beat Gardner in one set. And furthermore, like YOU pointed out, ASU was leading in 2nd set when Gardner went down. Definitely a possibility that Gardner would have lead her team to victory over Washington. She hadn't lost a MATCH all year. Neither had Bricio and USC. Washington swept them. We will, of course, never know what might have happened. But the fact remains that in the one full set that ASU played versus UW with Gardner, the Huskies got their most crushing set victory against a PAC opponent since the start of rally scoring.
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Post by jetblocked on Nov 29, 2015 17:41:56 GMT -5
POY- obviously Bricio. She's a stud. FOY- hodson, she's the biggest offensive weapon on Stanford and leads that team LOY- Formico, she's the best serve receive Libero in the conference and moved from 5th to 1st in digs per set in the 2nd half of the season. Best all around Libero. Has great hands which is overlooked in that position. SOY- Bugg, she makes great plays and is a very cerebral setter. Great leader on a team with not to many over powering weapons. Snuka could also get it if her team did a little better.
When do the awards come out?
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Post by alexsi on Nov 29, 2015 19:07:27 GMT -5
Off topic - I'm a UW fan, but Stanford next year is going to be SCARY with Inky back, Hodson plus Plummer. Holy crap!
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