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Post by deepsouthfan on Apr 19, 2016 18:05:16 GMT -5
Nice one!
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Apr 27, 2016 20:44:49 GMT -5
Not to pick a fight, and I usually enjoy Guest 2's opinions, but his statements are just downright silly. "Why are there any male coaches?" Geez, I'm not sure - take a long look at the last several NCAA indoor college women's top teams and see how many were coached by women. Then perhaps we should check out how all of those men's coaches have been unable to avoid the "constant risk of inappropriate relationships." My lord, will all of these male coaches ever be able to control themselves with their female players? Welcome to the simply reality - as women's volleyball has started to emulate the men's game and become much more of a power game, the male coaches have been a perfect fit for what they are trying to accomplish. As time passes, there will hopefully be more and more successful women coaches in the top ranks, but to say that men should step aside because of the risk of inappropriate relationships with their players is perhaps the most condescending thing I have ever read on here. Just my opinion. I don't think men should step aside, I think in general ADs should stop hiring them. There are two reasons. The first is that if you have two equal candidates in all respects, but one has experience playing the game they will be coaching and one doesn't, you should hire the one with experience. Indoors, the women's game may be closer to the men's (I don't think it is, but I will concede it for the sake of argument) but outdoors the difference is drastic. What does standing in and digging Allison or Phil teach you about playing defense against Juliana or Brooke Sweat? How does playing defense behind Ryan Doherty prepare a person for helping someone else learn to play defense behind any female player other than Kerri? The second reason is the risk of a male coach abusing players or compromising your program is substantial. Male coaches are constantly dating former or current players. It ruined an Olympic team for goodness sake. Very high profile coaches at all levels. (Butler, Rose, Stevenson, McCutcheon, etc) For some reason this is largely ignored now but that won't continue to be the case. Can we say that 1 in 20 male coaches does this? It seems like more but I would say 1 in 20 is a fair estimate, others may know better. Thats a 5% chance when making a hire that your coach will compromise your program. Why take that risk to hire a less qualified candidate? There's a 100% chance you might be sexist. Your view that men are pretty much just waiting for the chance to take advantage of their position to prey on women seems to either be a deep seeded belief or a reaction the the current news articles you have read. Either way I do not agree with your view or the fact you not playing the sport your self should preclude you from coaching it By that thinking Bill Belichick for the patriots should never have been hired because he played lacrosse in College. The point I actually agree with you on is why hire a less qualified candidate. I am hoping that programs aren't hiring less qualified young coaches fresh out of a GA that have no experience in running a program, but to each their own
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Post by guest2 on Apr 28, 2016 3:41:36 GMT -5
I don't think men should step aside, I think in general ADs should stop hiring them. There are two reasons. The first is that if you have two equal candidates in all respects, but one has experience playing the game they will be coaching and one doesn't, you should hire the one with experience. Indoors, the women's game may be closer to the men's (I don't think it is, but I will concede it for the sake of argument) but outdoors the difference is drastic. What does standing in and digging Allison or Phil teach you about playing defense against Juliana or Brooke Sweat? How does playing defense behind Ryan Doherty prepare a person for helping someone else learn to play defense behind any female player other than Kerri? The second reason is the risk of a male coach abusing players or compromising your program is substantial. Male coaches are constantly dating former or current players. It ruined an Olympic team for goodness sake. Very high profile coaches at all levels. (Butler, Rose, Stevenson, McCutcheon, etc) For some reason this is largely ignored now but that won't continue to be the case. Can we say that 1 in 20 male coaches does this? It seems like more but I would say 1 in 20 is a fair estimate, others may know better. Thats a 5% chance when making a hire that your coach will compromise your program. Why take that risk to hire a less qualified candidate? There's a 100% chance you might be sexist. Your view that men are pretty much just waiting for the chance to take advantage of their position to prey on women seems to either be a deep seeded belief or a reaction the the current news articles you have read. Either way I do not agree with your view or the fact you not playing the sport your self should preclude you from coaching it By that thinking Bill Belichick for the patriots should never have been hired because he played lacrosse in College. The point I actually agree with you on is why hire a less qualified candidate. I am hoping that programs aren't hiring less qualified young coaches fresh out of a GA that have no experience in running a program, but to each their own Belichick played football in college, then spent 10-15 years working his way up. No comparison at all. Also you will recall he failed in his first head coaching job, then spent five more years as an assistant before achieving head coaching success. If Todd wanted to start off as an assistant, learn the game, etc. then from an ability standpoint I wouldn't object, but he didnt. He jumped right in as head coach. You can make up for lack of direct experience with a sport (Van Gundy brothers, Spoelstra, even Becky Hammon) but that isnt what happened here.
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Post by beavis on Apr 28, 2016 13:50:49 GMT -5
Yes, 80 time winner Todd Rogers really needs to start off as an assistant to some female coach who played in 3 NORCECA events at some point in her life, so that he can "learn the game" first - who does he think he is? I thought we were done here, but your position just keep getting sillier and sillier!
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Post by chicory on Apr 28, 2016 19:33:44 GMT -5
This is stupid, you guys are arguing different points. Guest2 thinks the women's game is too different from the men's game, not that he doesn't know the men's game well. Not that I agree with guest2 in any way
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Post by beavis on Apr 29, 2016 1:18:13 GMT -5
Actually if you read back, Chicory, we have long been arguing very interesting points - whether men should be coaching women at all, and if so, should women be given preference over men in coaching women's teams if there are women who want the job. I think you are the ne who wanted to lock this thread a while back, so why are you even still involved in the discussion, other than to say it is stupid? No one is making you read our posts, Chicory.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 29, 2016 4:17:47 GMT -5
This is stupid, you guys are arguing different points. Guest2 thinks the women's game is too different from the men's game, not that he doesn't know the men's game well. In that respect you are entirely correct. Were Todd coaching a men's program his experience would be a big plus. For women, its largely irrelevant. Very different games.
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Post by chicory on Apr 29, 2016 17:18:01 GMT -5
Actually if you read back, Chicory, we have long been arguing very interesting points - whether men should be coaching women at all, and if so, should women be given preference over men in coaching women's teams if there are women who want the job. I think you are the ne who wanted to lock this thread a while back, so why are you even still involved in the discussion, other than to say it is stupid? No one is making you read our posts, Chicory. It seems like you just want to argue. Hope your day gets better
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Post by spikeandserve on Apr 29, 2016 18:23:37 GMT -5
Granted men's and women's game is very different so the question is what relates and is transferable. I would say recruiting and talent evaluation is not that different from picking partners on tour. Leading training and conditioning for young talented partners like Phil Dalhausser would be similar to those responsibilities at the ncaa level. Scouting tendencies and picking apart weaknesses was a strength of Todd's for years. Booking travel and logistics and navigating jet lag pre competition...check. NCAA compliance from his years as an assistant at UCSB. What's the part he's not prepared for? I would say the biggest challenge will be relating to college aged girls. That could take some time.
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