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Post by Viki on Apr 8, 2016 23:01:43 GMT -5
Through grass roots, I don't know why the AVCA / USAV couldn't also host pairs championships. Each of the USAV Regions could take volunteers to make it work, the nearest college campus could dorm athletes on the immediate heals of the NCAA's, and between the AVCA/USAVB return flight tickets could be paid for from mid-America. Hawai'i would kinda be sol, but Hawaiian Airlines is always giving seats away for the sole purpose of vb. They fly to Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego, L.A., SF Bay, Portland and Seattle.
Get corporate sponsorship involved and alleviate costs.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 8, 2016 23:13:36 GMT -5
LB is going to be an interesting case - they don't have any so-called 'bad losses', but also could end up with 12 losses with 2 matches left vs each of Pepp/Haw/UCLA -
assuming LB doesn't incur another bad loss, and gets at least one win vs. the top 5, that would make a solid case
on the other hand, could they get in with about a 0.500 record - with half their matches in the season against top 5 teams?
a lot of imbalance in schedules out there
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Post by Viki on Apr 8, 2016 23:15:55 GMT -5
LB is going to be an interesting case - they don't have any so-called 'bad losses', but also could end up with 12 losses with 2 matches left vs each of Pepp/Haw/UCLA - assuming LB doesn't incur another bad loss, and gets at least one win vs. the top 5, that would make a solid case on the other hand, could they get in with about a 0.500 record - with half their matches in the season against top 5 teams? a lot of imbalance in schedules out there I'd like to know a bit more about Sr. Ace next 150 (top 10 Prep. Class) / Empire League MVP / 3rd year UNHEARD of Missy Owens.
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Post by vbvalley on Apr 9, 2016 16:12:52 GMT -5
FIU takes care of Grand Canyon 4-1 and TCU 5-0.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 9, 2016 16:37:18 GMT -5
LB is going to be an interesting case - they don't have any so-called 'bad losses', but also could end up with 12 losses with 2 matches left vs each of Pepp/Haw/UCLA - assuming LB doesn't incur another bad loss, and gets at least one win vs. the top 5, that would make a solid case on the other hand, could they get in with about a 0.500 record - with half their matches in the season against top 5 teams? a lot of imbalance in schedules out there Gotta have a .500 or better record to be considered, regardless of strength of schedule
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 9, 2016 16:40:10 GMT -5
USC beat LMU 5-0 and Pepperdine 3-2 at the USAV event. Pepp over LBSU 5-0 before losing to the Trojans
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Post by montechello on Apr 9, 2016 16:42:17 GMT -5
While FIU beat Grand Canyon and TCU, Georgia State lost to Tulane today and Arizona yesterday. That puts FIU ahead of Georgia State for an NCAA bid, especially since FIU beat Georgia State last weekend.
Rita is still juggling the FIU lineup and switching partners match after match. Unusual strategy.
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 9, 2016 17:45:56 GMT -5
While FIU beat Grand Canyon and TCU, Georgia State lost to Tulane today and Arizona yesterday. That puts FIU ahead of Georgia State for an NCAA bid, especially since FIU beat Georgia State last weekend. FIU has done all they can do for now, but I still see GSU ahead or even in all criteria with FIU. What criteria do you think that FIU is ahead in? It is certainly closer now, with GSU taking a "bad" loss to Tulane. The Arizona loss doesn't hurt, except for At-Large bid hopes. Note that the FIU win over GSU last week just evened the series, they are tied 1-1 in head-to-head. If GSU doesn't beat UNF or FSU next week to improve their resume, FIU could pull ahead in criteria in the CCSA tournament.
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Post by FOBRA on Apr 9, 2016 18:08:35 GMT -5
If you have to be .500 just to get into the tournament, Long Beach is very close to being done. They're sitting at 9-8 with matches against Pepperdine and UCLA (teams they went 0-10 against in Hermosa today) and then Hawaii and the Big West tournament. Very tough path.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 9, 2016 21:14:33 GMT -5
While FIU beat Grand Canyon and TCU, Georgia State lost to Tulane today and Arizona yesterday. That puts FIU ahead of Georgia State for an NCAA bid, especially since FIU beat Georgia State last weekend. Rita is still juggling the FIU lineup and switching partners match after match. Unusual strategy. Tulane beating GSU is fairly remarkable, since Tulane's roster has been so decimated by injuries that they didn't have ten healthy bodies. So Tulane forfeited the 5's, giving GSU a a 1-0 lead, and then won the rest of the match 3-1 with a bunch of last-resort pairings.
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Post by vbvalley on Apr 9, 2016 22:23:35 GMT -5
Sorry, Trollhunter, but saying Tulane is not very good is being complementary and the selection committee has to be aware of that. As far as Rita constantly changing the lineup and partners, this will be FIU's undoing if they make Gulf Shores. If she had stayed with her original teams at the start of the season, some of the early loses would probably have been avoided, but she is known for constantly changing lineups and she was the coach of the year last year. USC last week was like a hot knife going through butter.....
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Post by Viki on Apr 10, 2016 0:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 10, 2016 10:29:48 GMT -5
Sorry, Trollhunter, but saying Tulane is not very good is being complementary and the selection committee has to be aware of that. ..... Yes, I understand that - and stated it was a bad loss in my last post (although they do have a winning record). However the NCAA will look at ALL of GSU wins and losses, as well as FIU. Not just a single match. I seem to recall FIU losing to LSU... The question remains - why do you think FIU is ahead of GSU? What specific area or criteria do you feel they have an advantage?
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Post by vbvalley on Apr 10, 2016 14:53:33 GMT -5
Strength of schedule and FIU winning the rematch against both LSU and GSU.
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 10, 2016 20:06:07 GMT -5
Strength of schedule and FIU winning the rematch against both LSU and GSU. You are correct about FIU having advantage on SoS criteria, if it used. Unfortunately, you are wrong on the other two items. FIU winning the rematch versus GSU does NOT give them an advantage in Head to Head criteria, it is tied 1-1. There is no bonus for winning the most recent match. That category is tied, a push, a wash. FIU winning the rematch versus LSU certainly does not give them an advantage, nor even a tie! GSU is 2-0 versus LSU, while FIU is 1-1. This is an advantage to GSU. P.S. While I hope that SoS is used (and wish RPI was also), I now doubt it will be. It appears NCAA is WAY behind on Beach VB logistics with selection show in 3 weeks. They have not published the final selection criteria or pre-tournament manual, nor released the current RPI or SoS, (like other NCAA sports do mid-season). Since NCAA said they are NOT using/calculating RPI, they probably won't take the time to compute SoS, since it is a main part of RPI. There would also be many problems with calculating SoS, since so many schedules list several matches with NAIA teams, JuCo teams, or NCAA teams not playing a minimum schedule. None of these matches would count in RPI or SoS calculation.
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