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Post by guest2 on Aug 22, 2016 19:00:10 GMT -5
So he got drunk, couldnt wait and peed on a wall? So what? Was he driving drunk? Assaulting someone? Half of Hermosa behaves worse than that every Friday.
Did this merit having a gun pulled on him? The dumb public shaming? Seriously?
How many athletes have done things an order of magnitude worse and gotten nothing close to the public shaming?
I dont care about Lochte one way or the other but this outrage is just silly.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 22, 2016 19:05:19 GMT -5
Not surprisingly, Lochte is still calling it a matter of interpretation. It seems there is now general agreement that they trashed the gas station, tried to leave, and had an armed guard draw his weapon and force them to pay for the damage. Lochte is now saying that he considered this an armed robbery, and that's why he reported it like that. Depending on where you live it would be armed robbery. (Possibly not in Rio though) If someone pulls a gun on you and demands money, whatever their claim to said money its an armed robbery. You will recall when OJ took those things from the memorabilia dealer at gunpoint, his defense was that the things he took were his. You dont get to take things from people at gunpoint because they were behaving badly |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 23, 2016 12:59:58 GMT -5
So he got drunk, couldnt wait and peed on a wall? So what? Was he driving drunk? Assaulting someone? Half of Hermosa behaves worse than that every Friday. Did this merit having a gun pulled on him? The dumb public shaming? Seriously? How many athletes have done things an order of magnitude worse and gotten nothing close to the public shaming? I dont care about Lochte one way or the other but this outrage is just silly. that is all true, but bottom line is he is in a foreign country, and he opened his big mouth and especially made the horrible mistake of directing the blame on an official body (the police) the outrage is because he tried to make himself look 'good' from the get-go, his idiotic statements just kept digging the hole deeper (for his friends, even worse), you couldn't have scripted any better how to make a self-inflicted mountain out of a mole-hill better than Lochte did yep, basically the Brazilian's extorted $11 grand or so out of the other swimmer (and it's still not really clear what Lochte and the other guy actually told the police), but it's also true he high-tailed it out of there as soon as he could after talking to them bottom line, if you are in a foreign country, best not to publicly (or have your mother) publically 'shake down' the government or face being 'shaked down' by that government drink, pee at gas station, get scared by local rent-a-cops, slip 'em a little cash, go home and sleep it off, laugh about it later = best course of action - especially if you are a public figure with $$ endorsements |
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Post by bigfan on Aug 23, 2016 14:23:31 GMT -5
So he got drunk, couldnt wait and peed on a wall? So what? Was he driving drunk? Assaulting someone? Half of Hermosa behaves worse than that every Friday. Did this merit having a gun pulled on him? The dumb public shaming? Seriously? How many athletes have done things an order of magnitude worse and gotten nothing close to the public shaming? I dont care about Lochte one way or the other but this outrage is just silly. Phelps has 2 DUI's in the last 10 years.....................he kept all his endorsements. |
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Post by timduckforlife on Aug 23, 2016 17:22:49 GMT -5
So he got drunk, couldnt wait and peed on a wall? So what? Was he driving drunk? Assaulting someone? Half of Hermosa behaves worse than that every Friday. Did this merit having a gun pulled on him? The dumb public shaming? Seriously? How many athletes have done things an order of magnitude worse and gotten nothing close to the public shaming? I dont care about Lochte one way or the other but this outrage is just silly. Phelps has 2 DUI's in the last 10 years.....................he kept all his endorsements. We all understand that. The problem is, if Lochte would have just told it like it was in the beginning, this would have been a non-story. Had he said from the beginning, "we got drunk, peed on a wall, etc...", we would have just laughed it off. But instead, it became about Lochte having a hero complex about someone having a gun against his head and robbing them. IMO, that's what has caused the backlash and caused him to lose his endorsements. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 17:33:32 GMT -5
So he got drunk, couldnt wait and peed on a wall? So what? Was he driving drunk? Assaulting someone? Half of Hermosa behaves worse than that every Friday. Did this merit having a gun pulled on him? The dumb public shaming? Seriously? How many athletes have done things an order of magnitude worse and gotten nothing close to the public shaming? I dont care about Lochte one way or the other but this outrage is just silly. Phelps has 2 DUI's in the last 10 years.....................he kept all his endorsements. Phelps isn't a fat liar! |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 23, 2016 19:02:22 GMT -5
Depending on where you live it would be armed robbery. (Possibly not in Rio though) If someone pulls a gun on you and demands money, whatever their claim to said money its an armed robbery. You will recall when OJ took those things from the memorabilia dealer at gunpoint, his defense was that the things he took were his. You dont get to take things from people at gunpoint because they were behaving badly I doubt it would be armed robbery in the US if a security officer held you for police after you committed a crime. Being willing to pay for damages to avoid being arrested by the police is not the same thing as being held purely until you pay. By all accounts the security guy asked for money. That makes it robbery. If the swimmers said "we'll pay let us go" then it wouldnt be. Also Phelps didnt just get a couple DWIs, he got caught with drugs on several occasions, there was the 3 way thing. Phelps and Lochte out of the pool are not particularly dissimilar |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 23, 2016 19:53:53 GMT -5
Phelps has 2 DUI's in the last 10 years.....................he kept all his endorsements. Phelps was also publicly shamed, ridiculed, called lots of things which is mostly why he quit swimming for 2 years This is nothing new, this happens to all athletes. We watch them, cheer them on, scream bloody murder when somebody insults our favorite. And then when we are done with them, we toss them out like trash. How many different shows or articles are there about how many athletes went bankrupt? What does the public do, they voraciously read/watch and then say I told you so, dumb uneducated jocks got what the deserve, we write stupid dismissive things like smh when we write about them while looking down on our former "heroes". There is nothing Americans like doing more I have become convinced than tearing down somebody who has it better than them. There are a thousand and one examples, I will not bother listing any of them, you are all smart enough to remember a dozen athletes/entertainers who crashed without even thinking hard about it. And we hounded them and wanted more. If I were a professional athlete I would be like Ted Williams to whatever town I played in: "Here's your finger Boston". Because you know they are eventually going to turn on you |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 23, 2016 19:55:43 GMT -5
In a whole lot of other countries they demand payment right now for damages because that is the only way they will get it. Actually something to be said for on the spot justice actually. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 23, 2016 20:27:58 GMT -5
In a whole lot of other countries they demand payment right now for damages because that is the only way they will get it. Actually something to be said for on the spot justice actually. A lot of places in the USA, if you get pulled over for a traffic ticket you are expected to pay the fine on the spot. Especially if you have out-of-state plates. |
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Post by timduckforlife on Aug 23, 2016 21:37:13 GMT -5
stories are beginning to come out not really defending Lochte, but that the bathroom wasn't damaged, but that they did pee on a wall and pulled down what is basically a poster taped to a wall.
Granted, this doesn't exonerate Lochte for making this into an international incident, but also doesn't make Rio look very good either.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 24, 2016 3:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Aug 24, 2016 4:07:16 GMT -5
In a whole lot of other countries they demand payment right now for damages because that is the only way they will get it. Actually something to be said for on the spot justice actually. Something to be said for allowing private citizens to settle disputes with guns? No there isn't. This wasn't a policeman they were dealing with, it was some schlub with a gun, the Brazilian equivalent of a mallcop. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 24, 2016 4:08:02 GMT -5
In a whole lot of other countries they demand payment right now for damages because that is the only way they will get it. Actually something to be said for on the spot justice actually. A lot of places in the USA, if you get pulled over for a traffic ticket you are expected to pay the fine on the spot. Especially if you have out-of-state plates. Pulled over by a policeman presumably? |
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 24, 2016 4:33:35 GMT -5
Phelps has 2 DUI's in the last 10 years.....................he kept all his endorsements. Phelps was also publicly shamed, ridiculed, called lots of things which is mostly why he quit swimming for 2 years This is nothing new, this happens to all athletes. We watch them, cheer them on, scream bloody murder when somebody insults our favorite. And then when we are done with them, we toss them out like trash. How many different shows or articles are there about how many athletes went bankrupt? What does the public do, they voraciously read/watch and then say I told you so, dumb uneducated jocks got what the deserve, we write stupid dismissive things like smh when we write about them while looking down on our former "heroes". There is nothing Americans like doing more I have become convinced than tearing down somebody who has it better than them. There are a thousand and one examples, I will not bother listing any of them, you are all smart enough to remember a dozen athletes/entertainers who crashed without even thinking hard about it. And we hounded them and wanted more. If I were a professional athlete I would be like Ted Williams to whatever town I played in: "Here's your finger Boston". Because you know they are eventually going to turn on you Its the same old problem, athletes, successful ones at least, are held up to a much higher standard of behavior than us mere mortals. So if they commit any moral transgression, the consequences and condemnation are amplified. I'm not defending Lochte here. He did something stupid. But I suspect if this was some average American joe tourist, no one would have cared in the least. Yet because he's Lochte, the consequences are more severe. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. Point is, whether they like it or not, they should have known that as public figures, their conduct will be under a microscope. That's the reality. And Lochte, being the d-bag that he is, don't seem to realize that. |
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