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Post by rayb_14 on Aug 19, 2004 17:46:59 GMT -5
The only thing that I have against Mick Haley is that I love this game, and he is bad for it. He has unnecessarily hurt people that I know (and many that I don't know.) He was petty, cruel and is disliked by lots of people who were connected with him in some way during his tenure as Head Coach of the USA National Team. Some posters on this board also seem to know what was going on at that time, and have agreed with me. I have never dated any girl who was ever on the USA National Team, but I know a lot of them. If you want to defend Mick Haley, then do so. But don't try to use circular reasoning with me. (Only brilliant volleyball coaches and wonderful people are chosen to be the Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Mick Haley was a Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Therefore, Mick Haley is a brilliant volleyball coach and a wonderful person.) Tell us what you know and how you know it. This board is for the presantation of facts and the discussion of opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, be it supported or unsupported. However, it's always better if you can support it. SHUTUP already! either support why you think he's such an awful person or just sit there with your opinion and be wonderfully miserable. who are you to say that someone is bad for volleyball? volleyball was around way before Mick and it'll be around loooooong after. i know someone who knows someone that is playing in Athens right now but you dont see me posting, 'oh, so and so is a TOTAL BITCH and everyone hates her!' who cares about all that anyway! we're all here because we're into volleyball - not to bash people that we've never even met. you've probably never even met Mick Haley. who cares anyway? what impact on your life does he have? probably none, right? leave the dude alone. |
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Post by VBCOACH on Aug 19, 2004 17:52:13 GMT -5
>-(Gorf)-<[} link=board=general&thread=1092813233&start=147#9 date=1092947842] I'll relate a story about the daughter of a friend of mine that you would probably also have considered fat by looking at the "subcutaneous fat" on her face. She played volleyball locally in high school. She was good, but not great. One of her HS teammates went on to play MB for the Gophers. In college she went to UW Madison and joined their crew / rowing team for 4 years. After graduation she still had that "subcutaneous fat" on her face, but her overall body fat percentage was very much on the lower end of the scale for women. Her overall visible shape was still much more along the lines of Lindsey Berg than that of the currently thinned down version of Logan Tom. I can pretty much garantee you wouldn't have wanted to try tackling her unless you wanted to bounce off or be broken in to little pieces.  Well, yes, every sport has it's own kind of physical fittness (aerobic/anaerobic....high body fat{swimming}/low body fat{distance running} etc. So someone who is in condition to be a football lineman is not in condition to run the marathon. I was simply confining my comments to volleyball conditioning. P. S. I have nothing against Lindsay Berg. I don't know her. You guys probably do and know her as a terriffic person. Probably I would too. Nothing personal here. |
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Post by TX on Aug 19, 2004 17:55:34 GMT -5
I keep thinking of Jennifer Capriatti. I am continuously amazed at her quickness, stamina in hot temperatures, and athleticism. To the eye, she doesn't seem to have the body. But, she can perform and is definitely a player. On the other side of the coin .... Lindsey Davenport's game did improve with her new, leaner body. But, I don't think the two have similar body TYPES and I'm not sure Jennifer could EVER be slim. Sorry to bring tennis in - it may get moved except that it's on subject.
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Post by VBCOACH on Aug 19, 2004 17:56:02 GMT -5
SHUTUP already! either support why you think he's such an awful person or just sit there with your opinion and be wonderfully miserable. who are you to say that someone is bad for volleyball? volleyball was around way before Mick and it'll be around loooooong after. i know someone who knows someone that is playing in Athens right now but you dont see me posting, 'oh, so and so is a TOTAL BITCH and everyone hates her!' who cares about all that anyway! we're all here because we're into volleyball - not to bash people that we've never even met. you've probably never even met Mick Haley. who cares anyway? what impact on your life does he have? probably none, right? leave the dude alone. Hey, Mick, don't you have anything better to do that surf volleyball talk boards? |
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Post by rayb_14 on Aug 19, 2004 17:58:13 GMT -5
that was really weak.
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 19, 2004 18:00:11 GMT -5
I can't believe that Gorf and GatorVball have actually been defending Mick Haley on this board. I don't think you guys should listen to VBCoach. He clearly has something personal against Mick and probably some personal issues w/ body image. Lindsay Berg is a terrific player. She does a great job. She's in good shape. Anyone training under Toshi is in good shape. I think that Lindsay simply has a bigger build. Shaq is a big fellow, but he is not fat. It's all muscle. I suspect that if VBCoach did date a former National Teamer, it was one of the girls that got cut. Hence, the bitterness. But I'm reluctant to believe he had any sort of relation w/ a former player considering how tactless he is w/ his posts. The girl would have to have really bad taste. As I stated before, I'm not a fan of Haley or USC per se, but when people bad mouth a man, taking shots at him, with no proof to back up their claims, something should be said. VBCOACH has said Haley is a bad coach, everyone hates him, he treated players poorly. Well, show me some proof? Tell me exactly what he did, yes, specifics. Don't give me this "it's private information" crap. If you are gonna attack the man, then have the balls to back up your claims with specifics. Otherwise, shut the hell up. Maybe Haley wasn't a right fit for the national team, who knows. Maybe the players just couldn't deal with his coaching style and the way he ran things. I'm sure if there were problems, it wasn't all one sided. I just have to look at what I know. VBCOACH says the man can't coach. Well, a 4th place finish at the Olympics and 3 national titles at 2 different schools tell me differently. If his players hated him so much, why didn't they exit en masse like players at other schools, like Washington STate did, when they hated the coach? Clearly, VBCOACH has some personal issue with Haley. Not sure what it is, but he should just leave it alone. |
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 19, 2004 18:04:26 GMT -5
The only thing that I have against Mick Haley is that I love this game, and he is bad for it. He has unnecessarily hurt people that I know (and many that I don't know.) He was petty, cruel and is disliked by lots of people who were connected with him in some way during his tenure as Head Coach of the USA National Team. Some posters on this board also seem to know what was going on at that time, and have agreed with me. I have never dated any girl who was ever on the USA National Team, but I know a lot of them. If you want to defend Mick Haley, then do so. But don't try to use circular reasoning with me. (Only brilliant volleyball coaches and wonderful people are chosen to be the Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Mick Haley was a Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Therefore, Mick Haley is a brilliant volleyball coach and a wonderful person.) Tell us what you know and how you know it.
This board is for the presantation of facts and the discussion of opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, be it supported or unsupported. However, it's always better if you can support it.Take your own advice, then. Support your claims with facts. Why don't you start by telling us who you are, how you know all about Haley and specifically, what he did and who he did it too. I don't pretend to know Haley or much about the man, other than he's a great coach who has won at every level. Don't give me this, well, his assistants did all the coaching and recruiting and he just reaps the rewards. BS. you may not like his style, but he wins and I don't see any way he's bad for the game. |
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Post by JT on Aug 19, 2004 18:04:42 GMT -5
P. S. I have nothing against Lindsay Berg. I don't know her. You guys probably do and know her as a terriffic person. Probably I would too. Nothing personal here. I know her more as a terrific volleyball player. She seems to be a terrific person, too. |
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Aug 19, 2004 18:27:58 GMT -5
" I know someone who knows someone that is playing in Athens right now but you dont see me posting, 'oh, so and so is a TOTAL BITCH and everyone hates her!"
Well, is she a total bitch or not? Tell tell.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 19, 2004 18:38:34 GMT -5
If you want to defend Mick Haley, then do so. But don't try to use circular reasoning with me. (Only brilliant volleyball coaches and wonderful people are chosen to be the Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Mick Haley was a Head Coach of The USA Womens National Team. Therefore, Mick Haley is a brilliant volleyball coach and a wonderful person.) Tell us what you know and how you know it. Actually, that's not a circular argument, it's a transitive argument. Observe the transitive property of equality as stated below: A=B B=C Therefore, A=C I bash volleyball people here all the time, much to IdaPoop's dismay, but at least I can fabricate some elaborate lies to make them look like hard facts, your dislike of Haley is just plain whining. At least come up with some wild-assed half-truths to support your position. |
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Aug 19, 2004 18:45:50 GMT -5
A=B
B=C
Therefore, A=C
Of course, this only holds if A, B, and C are all constants.
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Post by vbweit on Aug 19, 2004 18:48:35 GMT -5
In regards to the performance of the National Team, no one has questioned the makeup of the team, so I will bring that up now. Is the selection process such that the absolute very best 12 players in the country (by position) are being picked for the team? Looking back on other discussions on various players, some fresh out of college, who opted not to participate at Colorado Springs. What was the reason for that? Why would some of these players (like a Kim Willoughby) feel that they would not make the National Team. With all the levels of junior and youth teams and all the college level players, it seems to me that there is no reason that the US could not field a team capable of competing with the likes of China, Brazil, etc. and defeating them on a consistent basis. Just some food for thought.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 19, 2004 18:54:17 GMT -5
A=B B=C Therefore, A=C Of course, this only holds if A, B, and C are all constants. Well...seeing as how I used A, B, and C and not x, y, and z, most people would have figured that out already. Surprised you Gaucho fans aren't raving about Simone Kuhn's performance against McPeak/Youngs last night. She was the best player in the match, in my opinion, even though McPeak/Youngs eeked out a victory at the end. |
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Aug 19, 2004 19:16:07 GMT -5
She played for all of a year. I don't consider either Kuhn, Hart, or our other German middle real Gauchos after only one year.
In many instances, A, B, and C, like I and J, can be variables. But I'm sure you already knew that.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 19, 2004 19:53:09 GMT -5
She played for all of a year. I don't consider either Kuhn, Hart, or our other German middle real Gauchos after only one year. In many instances, A, B, and C, like I and J, can be variables. But I'm sure you already knew that. How elitist. Once a Gaucho, always a Gaucho I say. Where's the love? If A, B, or C were to be used as variables in an equation, they would be lower case. As upper case letters, they denote constants. I'm sure YOU knew that. |
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