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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Aug 19, 2004 20:22:41 GMT -5
If A, B, or C were to be used as variables in an equation, they would be lower case. As upper case letters, they denote constants. I'm sure YOU knew that.[/quote Actually, I didn't know that, because it's not true. |
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Post by brybry on Aug 19, 2004 20:32:31 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to stay out of the VBCoach monologue. I just thought it was funny that Gorf, SOBarcelona, GatorVball, and RayB14 were so opposed to VBCoach when the topic was Mick Haley. If you've been on this board for a while, you know these guys aren't his biggest fans. VBCoach seems to rubbing a lot of folks the wrong way.
Anyhow, in regards to player selection, I'm not sure if there's anyone else the US could have inserted that would have made a difference. Kim W didn't seem like she wanted Athens 2004 that badly (or she had greater things going on in her life). Plus she's injured. Cynthia Barboza is simply too young to be an impact player at this point. She's learning quickly but it's hard to ask her to be a top international player at 17 given only a few months w/ the team. I do wish that Ogonna had been brought in a year earlier to train w/ the team. Her defensive skills seem quite weak to me.
But the two players I most wish were w/ the National Team are Kerri Walsh and Misty May. I would love it if they won the gold medal in Athens and then return to the indoor game. We could use Walsh's skills of passing, digging, and blocking, and we could use May's setting for sure.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 19, 2004 20:35:27 GMT -5
Actually, I didn't know that, because it's not true. Well, seeing as how you can't even use the basic quote function of this board properly, it doesn't surprise me that you don't know alot of things. |
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Post by rayb_14 on Aug 19, 2004 20:40:02 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to stay out of the VBCoach monologue. I just thought it was funny that Gorf, SOBarcelona, GatorVball, and RayB14 were so opposed to VBCoach when the topic was Mick Haley. If you've been on this board for a while, you know these guys aren't his biggest fans. VBCoach seems to rubbing a lot of folks the wrong way. Anyhow, in regards to player selection, I'm not sure if there's anyone else the US could have inserted that would have made a difference. Kim W didn't seem like she wanted Athens 2004 that badly (or she had greater things going on in her life). Plus she's injured. Cynthia Barboza is simply too young to be an impact player at this point. She's learning quickly but it's hard to ask her to be a top international player at 17 given only a few months w/ the team. I do wish that Ogonna had been brought in a year earlier to train w/ the team. Her defensive skills seem quite weak to me. But the two players I most wish were w/ the National Team are Kerri Walsh and Misty May. I would love it if they won the gold medal in Athens and then return to the indoor game. We could use Walsh's skills of passing, digging, and blocking, and we could use May's setting for sure. there's a cool article on prepvolleyball.com about Kerri right now. i'd love to see her come back to play indoors but after reading that article, i dont blame her for not wanting to come back. |
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Post by rayb_14 on Aug 19, 2004 21:02:50 GMT -5
" I know someone who knows someone that is playing in Athens right now but you dont see me posting, 'oh, so and so is a TOTAL BITCH and everyone hates her!" Well, is she a total bitch or not? Tell tell. oh yeah, a TOTAL bitch. |
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Post by brybry on Aug 19, 2004 21:20:09 GMT -5
there's a cool article on prepvolleyball.com about Kerri right now. i'd love to see her come back to play indoors but after reading that article, i dont blame her for not wanting to come back. I don't subscribe to that. What's the jist? Does she not want to go back indoors because of the reoccuring injuries? I say she should give the beach a break for 4 years since she and May are dominating (hope I don't jinx them for the Olympics). Plus, do they really want to keep w/ the premature aging by getting all that sun? Am I being way insensitive and shallow by saying McPeak and Youngs are looking pretty aged after all that tanning? |
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Post by VBCOACH on Aug 19, 2004 21:39:18 GMT -5
As I stated before, I'm not a fan of Haley or USC per se, but when people bad mouth a man, taking shots at him, with no proof to back up their claims, something should be said. VBCOACH has said Haley is a bad coach, everyone hates him, he treated players poorly. Well, show me some proof? Tell me exactly what he did, yes, specifics. Don't give me this "it's private information" crap. If you are gonna attack the man, then have the balls to back up your claims with specifics. Otherwise, shut the hell up. Let's see, two girls that I know go into cllinical depression because of Micks treatment of them, and you want me to post their names, addresses and phone numbers on this board so that you can call them and check-out my story? From Dictionary.com for "deprerssion": Psychology. A psychiatric disorder characterized by an inability to concentrate, insomnia, loss of appetite, anhedonia, feelings of extreme sadness, guilt, helplessness and hopelessness, and thoughts of death. Also called clinical depression. I think not. |
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Post by GatorVball on Aug 19, 2004 21:47:29 GMT -5
Let's see, two girls that I know go into cllinical depression because of Micks treatment of them, and you want me to post their names, addresses and phone numbers on this board so that you can call them and check-out my story? From Dictionary.com for "deprerssion": Psychology. A psychiatric disorder characterized by an inability to concentrate, insomnia, loss of appetite, anhedonia, feelings of extreme sadness, guilt, helplessness and hopelessness, and thoughts of death. Also called clinical depression. I think not. Again, who are you and why should we believe you? If you are gonna bash the man on here, then have the balls to tell us who you are and be specific. Otherwise, shut up and go troll some other board. |
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Post by Orpheus on Aug 19, 2004 22:15:48 GMT -5
It's a stretch to expect even the most ignorant person to believe Mick is soley responsible for these girls' conditions. Nobody's going to buy that. Clinical depression is a horrible condition, and it's a slap in the face to those that truly suffer from it to assert this. If you know players who played under Mick who have been diagnosed with clinical depression, there are more factors contributing that you must not know about.
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Post by maka_ala on Aug 19, 2004 22:44:23 GMT -5
sorry i didn't mean to start the whole mick thing. but i was really close friends with tom for the curious ones ...
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 20, 2004 0:27:43 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to that. What's the jist? Does she not want to go back indoors because of the reoccuring injuries? I say she should give the beach a break for 4 years since she and May are dominating (hope I don't jinx them for the Olympics). Plus, do they really want to keep w/ the premature aging by getting all that sun? Am I being way insensitive and shallow by saying McPeak and Youngs are looking pretty aged after all that tanning? Hmm...let's see. Walsh/May are the #1 women's beach team in the world, getting all kinds of mainstream exposure in the buildup to Athens 2004, and making a comfortable living on the FIVB tour. Their practice facility consists of a beautiful, warm, and sunny beach. They probably practice 3-4 hours a day, tops, and have the rest of the day to hangout and do stuff. And they only have to put up with the idiosyncracies of one teammate. Go back indoors, let's see. Thousands upon thousands of jumps on a hardwood floor. Endless training sessions in a closed-air gym in C. Springs (which isn't all that, I should know since I live here), conditioning, coach on your ass all the time, pressure to maintain your roster spot, 10-15 other women as teammates, along with all their bitchiness, pettiness, and general malaise. Oh ya...I can see Walsh/May just jumping at the chance to go back to an indoor career. |
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Aug 20, 2004 0:28:58 GMT -5
From Dictionary.com for "deprerssion": There is no such word as "deprerssion". |
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Post by Gorf on Aug 20, 2004 1:09:46 GMT -5
Well, yes, every sport has it's own kind of physical fittness (aerobic/anaerobic....high body fat{swimming}/low body fat{distance running} etc. So someone who is in condition to be a football lineman is not in condition to run the marathon. I was simply confining my comments to volleyball conditioning. P. S. I have nothing against Lindsay Berg. I don't know her. You guys probably do and know her as a terriffic person. Probably I would too. Nothing personal here. The issue isn't the training programs used, it is your assumption that someone is out of shape or overweight based on your observation that she has "subcutaneus fat" on her face. I was giving you another example of where you would be totally incorrect in that assumption. I never accused you of having any negative feelings toward Lindsey, only that you're making unfounded assumptions on her level of fitness. |
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Post by Gorf on Aug 20, 2004 1:32:15 GMT -5
Let's see, two girls that I know go into cllinical depression because of Micks treatment of them, and you want me to post their names, addresses and phone numbers on this board so that you can call them and check-out my story? From Dictionary.com for "deprerssion": Psychology. A psychiatric disorder characterized by an inability to concentrate, insomnia, loss of appetite, anhedonia, feelings of extreme sadness, guilt, helplessness and hopelessness, and thoughts of death. Also called clinical depression. I think not. I don't know the situation about Mick and his exploits with the national team. Did he actually make personal attacks at those two players? Did he mislead them as to what they could expect in their potential role(s) on the national team? Were they unexpectedly cut from the team? Did he work everyone on the team harder than what they expected? Making the jump from his alleged mistreatment of (some) players on the national team to his being a terrible coach, terrible recruiter, and some of the other comments you've made seems a bit extreme. Giving Jerritt the total credit for recruiting players that were on the national development teams and definitely around Mick more than they could possibly have had with Jerritt without NCAA recruiting violations comes off as being absurd. Especially when Jerritt hasn't shown a similar ability to recruit such highly level players at Texas to this point. I've not seen or heard stories from / about players from any of his college teams that accused Mick of being a terrible, evil, liar of a coach. The players on his team when Texas won their national championship with Texas all seemed very happy, and those with his USC teams over the past two years seemed very happy. As Gator said, I'm not a huge Mick Haley fan, I have questioned in the past his potentially having "unfair" access to players that were recruited to USC while they were on the national development teams and he was the head coach of the national team. I do, however, respect his abilities as a volleyball coach, overall recruiter, and general team builder. |
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