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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 17, 2020 12:39:00 GMT -5
It would be good to add the school and year (Sr, Jr,...) to the list. Good idea. Thanks for the productive comment on how to better the list
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Post by gwvb12 on Apr 17, 2020 12:44:53 GMT -5
Congrats to the guys on the list, but gotta say I'm not a fan of this type of structure. 5 pins and no middles on the first team. Should be a traditional lineup with the best possible guys for each spot (two OH, two MH, one OPP, one S, one L). This is like an All-Conference football team having 5 quarterbacks and no running backs.
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Post by mwest on Apr 17, 2020 12:54:36 GMT -5
Congrats to the guys on the list, but gotta say I'm not a fan of this type of structure. 5 pins and no middles on the first team. Should be a traditional lineup with the best possible guys for each spot (two OH, two MH, one OPP, one S, one L). This is like an All-Conference football team having 5 quarterbacks and no running backs. Interesting that no one from the MCVL made all area. Did the coaches forget to nominate?
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Post by caz on Apr 17, 2020 13:17:14 GMT -5
Reading today that the state of Vermont will be closing down three public colleges deemed unsustainable; one of the two Vermont Tech campuses and both campuses of Northern Vermont University (Johnson and Lyndon). NVU-Johnson was in its second varsity season of men's volleyball as an affiliate member of the NECC.
Thank you and good night to the NVU-Johnson Badgers.
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Post by vbvictory1 on Apr 17, 2020 14:12:37 GMT -5
Congrats to the guys on the list, but gotta say I'm not a fan of this type of structure. 5 pins and no middles on the first team. Should be a traditional lineup with the best possible guys for each spot (two OH, two MH, one OPP, one S, one L). This is like an All-Conference football team having 5 quarterbacks and no running backs. Interesting that no one from the MCVL made all area. Did the coaches forget to nominate? Not sure about nominations, but is there anyone in that conference that would even qualify? Not just from a stats angle, but from a team winning angle? The top teams (Fontbonne and Adrian) won only a single match against the NACC (FU defeated Rockford). Both losing (only one set won between the two) to a crappy second year Concordia Chicago team.
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Post by tapeservesonly on Apr 17, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -5
Coming soon, MAC all conference awards decided by a player run voting poll. Will be out shortly. clsmiles52.wixsite.com/mysitehere we go to anyone interested I like the attempt to do something to recognize the players. Next time, just get a rep from every team and don't make it so outside heavy... I am sure the coaches of the mac are not thrilled about not having conference awards, you probably could of asked them.
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Post by gwvb12 on Apr 17, 2020 15:10:23 GMT -5
Interesting that no one from the MCVL made all area. Did the coaches forget to nominate? Not sure about nominations, but is there anyone in that conference that would even qualify? Not just from a stats angle, but from a team winning angle? The top teams (Fontbonne and Adrian) won only a single match against the NACC (FU defeated Rockford). Both losing (only one set won between the two) to a crappy second year Concordia Chicago team. Is team success even a factor? It's an individual award. Using that logic, that "crappy" Concordia-Chicago team shouldn't have had the region's newcomer of the year.
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 18, 2020 11:50:08 GMT -5
I like the attempt to do something to recognize the players. Next time, just get a rep from every team and don't make it so outside heavy... I am sure the coaches of the mac are not thrilled about not having conference awards, you probably could of asked them. MAC coaches had discussed doing something ourselves and were specifically designated not to be conference brass.
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Post by servepasssethitblock on Apr 18, 2020 15:52:04 GMT -5
I like the attempt to do something to recognize the players. Next time, just get a rep from every team and don't make it so outside heavy... I am sure the coaches of the mac are not thrilled about not having conference awards, you probably could of asked them. MAC coaches had discussed doing something ourselves and were specifically designated not to be conference brass. Then all the better that some of the players did this!
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Post by Supremewaffle1 on Apr 18, 2020 19:01:07 GMT -5
I like the attempt to do something to recognize the players. Next time, just get a rep from every team and don't make it so outside heavy... I am sure the coaches of the mac are not thrilled about not having conference awards, you probably could of asked them. Coaches and conference were not doing so. Also, we had 3 per team. The MCVL as previously discussed had far more and the cvc had 14 kids on that. It seems more people are somehow hung up on the fact that players did what their conference wouldn’t do and did a better list than some full conference panels. So I think that wraps up the issue and thanks for those that contributed positively to the list
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 18, 2020 19:08:19 GMT -5
players did what their conference wouldn’t do and did a better list than some full conference panels. This wins as the most Gen Z thing anyone has said today.
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Post by 66yearoldman on Apr 19, 2020 23:03:45 GMT -5
I like the attempt to do something to recognize the players. Next time, just get a rep from every team and don't make it so outside heavy... I am sure the coaches of the mac are not thrilled about not having conference awards, you probably could of asked them. MAC coaches had discussed doing something ourselves and were specifically designated not to be conference brass. This has ESPN 30 for 30 written all over it. A true rival to the foot fault of 1989 NCAA Championships! At my age I am a bigger fan of ESPN Classic, but I would tune in for this one! 66YOM
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 20, 2020 10:17:08 GMT -5
All-Americans Released
2020 NVA/AVCA MEN'S DIVISION III FIRST-TEAM ALL-AMERICA Player Institution Pos. Yr. Jarrett Anderson Springfield College RS Fr. Joshua Bigford St. John Fisher College OH So. Austin Braas* Arcadia University MB Sr. Brennen Brandow! Springfield College OH So. Aaron Carrk SUNY New Paltz RS Sr. David Cerqua St. John Fisher College L Jr. Neil Ferraro!^ New York University MB Sr. Matt Grace! SUNY New Paltz S Sr. David Lehman*$% Stevens Institute of Technology RS Sr. Bryn Lipton!$ Endicott College OH Sr. Nick O’Malley SUNY New Paltz MB Sr. Nahuel Recabarren* Southern Virginia University OH Jr. Matt Slivinski* Carthage College OH Jr. Gavin van Beveren Vassar College MB Fr.
2020 NVA/AVCA MEN'S DIVISION III SECOND-TEAM ALL-AMERICA Player Institution Pos. Yr. Grant Burden Stevens Institute of Technology S Sr. Matt Lilley Springfield College S Jr. Evan Lindley New York University RS Sr. Danny Martens*^ Milwaukee School of Engineering L Sr. Jared Moser North Central College (IL) OH Fr. Thomas Nelson$ Massachusetts Institute of Technology L Sr. Chris Parker Springfield College MB Jr. Kevin Ros Vassar College OH Sr. Sam Safley Marymount University OH Sr. Logan Smiley Stevenson University OH Jr. Jeremy Torres! Elms College OH Jr. Justin Tuohy Rutgers University-Newark S Fr. Luke Vozenilek Concordia University (IL) OH Fr. Andrew Zaleck Rutgers University-Newark RS Fr.
2020 NVA/AVCA MEN'S DIVISION III HONORABLE MENTION ALL-AMERICA Player Institution Pos. Yr. Emmanuel Chaidez Aurora University MB Jr. Kevin Duffy Juniata College MB So. Jack McGuire Dominican University S Jr. Mat Molloy Dominican University MB So. Liam York Springfield College OH Fr.
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Post by TheReignman on Apr 20, 2020 17:06:58 GMT -5
We started 3 Freshman when we played in the Final Four. Matt Grace was the New Paltz setter in the 2017 National Championship match. Freshman make big impact most years In terms of players such as shorts, grace, brandow, woessner, ayala, reinsel, shankweiler, lehman, and others you are looking at 1-2 freshmen per class that have a big impact on d3 as a whole. Others come in and have impacts on their team but its more localized and not a landscape alteration. But if you were looking at the impact of every class and going through it you would basically see a downward trend-line where it progresses from seniors having the highest impact and freshmen having the lowest. Thinking a class is going to come in and completely shake things up is just statistically improbable if you analyze any of the past data. Statistically you aren't going to see more than two freshman, more likely one, make an all american list (gauge importance on your own we know the committee is not the greatest). You are not going to see a freshman be the best player in their position. You statistically are not going to see a team starting 3-4 freshman make it far in the post season. However, there are always exceptions, but those are the statistical anomalies not the other way around. Of course you cannot just go off of numbers the eye test factors as well, hence why I left Alex Li off of my list in terms of impactful freshmen from recent memory. Gavin will not be the best middle in d3 both eye test and statistically. Dasari is not going to carry NYU to a UVC championship. The influx of a singular freshman outside does not change the ways of a team that statistically chokes, especially when they do not lose a single player. He does pass the eye test for the most part so if he breaks the starting lineup he could find some personal success. Springfield has the best chance of being a statistical anomaly this year, but as I have argued before I do not see it happening. In totality the freshmen class is the least impactful. Majority will not start on their teams, minority will have impact on their teams success, and 1 or 2 will impact d3 as a whole. To follow this up there were 6 freshman named All-American this year. Pretty impactful.
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Post by wavepops on Apr 21, 2020 4:13:37 GMT -5
In terms of players such as shorts, grace, brandow, woessner, ayala, reinsel, shankweiler, lehman, and others you are looking at 1-2 freshmen per class that have a big impact on d3 as a whole. Others come in and have impacts on their team but its more localized and not a landscape alteration. But if you were looking at the impact of every class and going through it you would basically see a downward trend-line where it progresses from seniors having the highest impact and freshmen having the lowest. Thinking a class is going to come in and completely shake things up is just statistically improbable if you analyze any of the past data. Statistically you aren't going to see more than two freshman, more likely one, make an all american list (gauge importance on your own we know the committee is not the greatest). You are not going to see a freshman be the best player in their position. You statistically are not going to see a team starting 3-4 freshman make it far in the post season. However, there are always exceptions, but those are the statistical anomalies not the other way around. Of course you cannot just go off of numbers the eye test factors as well, hence why I left Alex Li off of my list in terms of impactful freshmen from recent memory. Gavin will not be the best middle in d3 both eye test and statistically. Dasari is not going to carry NYU to a UVC championship. The influx of a singular freshman outside does not change the ways of a team that statistically chokes, especially when they do not lose a single player. He does pass the eye test for the most part so if he breaks the starting lineup he could find some personal success. Springfield has the best chance of being a statistical anomaly this year, but as I have argued before I do not see it happening. In totality the freshmen class is the least impactful. Majority will not start on their teams, minority will have impact on their teams success, and 1 or 2 will impact d3 as a whole. To follow this up there were 6 freshman named All-American this year. Pretty impactful. Reignman, I would agree strongly this years freshman class was very impactful. I have not been following D3 for very long. How would this years group rate compared to the last 5 years?
Does anyone want to take a stab at ranking the last few years classes. I am very curious to see what you think.
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