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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 2:51:00 GMT -5
The last time there were three sisters was the Simpsons from Colorado in 2014. Yup the final four kids all play as well. Alex (2024, 5'10" lefty setter, plays up on 17's with Eden), Elizabeth (13's), Rachel (12's), Ruby (10's). Alex is getting recruited by BYU. 2024 playing 17s..... dayum. A 16 yr old 8th grader! She would have had to play 16's but played 17's to set for her almost 18 yr old sister. When is holding back your kids a detriment? Alex should be in 10th grade and Eden should be senior or a college freshman. |
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Sept 7, 2020 9:28:10 GMT -5
If you look at the Libero position the last year BYU recruited a JC transfer .... would you ever do that unless you were sure that she would play? In addition, M Bower and Wee were both recruited and neither one of them could even get on the floor. H Olmstead resorted to using Robinson and 2 other OH's who weren't good enough to play front row, to man the back row and they were average to below average at best. What does that tell us about the DS's on the team? Just a perplexing situation. Now they have 4 girls on the team and none of them have experience on the back row and that is why they were recruited to begin with. Hopefully, Maddie will come in and do well, but freshman have a difficult time playing top line defense as the starting libero ..... throughout the NCAA's. Then you have the setting position. 2 huge misses in that spot by H Olmstead. I think she is just looking at the hands of potential setters and forgetting that they have to be excellent athletes like Haddock was/is! Lacy wasn't recruited by Heather ... so we can't give credit for that one to her. Now BYU is stuck in the setting position. They can't have just W Bower as the only setter when she is a senior can they? If she gets hurt or sick can Taylor run a 5-1? I don't think she can and have BYU win against decent teams. The OH's are another talent evaluation problem. I am beginning to think it is good think to have Covid cancel the season for BYU and allow them to get another recruiting class in the barn because I don't think they will win the WCC or make the NCAA tourney this season. Not even close IMO. BYU has another setter coming in next year, so they will not be stuck with just W Bower. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 10:01:43 GMT -5
Madi Allen will be the libero. I expect her to do well. We will see as good teams play BYU. Her club team was excellent, but Maddie didn't always start for that team at Libero. Even if Maddie gets the starting Lib job, I have serious doubts about the DS's on this team and hope that Olmstead doesn't have to resort to 2nd string or 3rd string OH's to come play back row like last year. San Diego will pounce on BYU this coming season if there isn't solid defense and passing. Robinson being gone isn't a big loss because she wasn't a legit goto OH against good teams. Her back row play was also something of a liability. I don't disagree with any of this but it's not exactly news. Mary Lake was one of the two best passing liberos in the country in 2019 and BYU still had a good pass percentage below 50% as a team. There was very little behind Lake at the position; you're right, the DSs (Wee and Bower) were poor - one passed a 1.9 on the season and one passed a 1.65 - but again, we knew that last year. 2020 isn't BYU's year (luckily it's no one else's year either). The loss of Lake, Miller, Gneiting (temporarily) was always going to be too much. When they eventually do play competitive matches, San Diego will be strong and I like Pepperdine's 2020 class - MB Meg Brown is going to be good. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 10:51:18 GMT -5
If you look at the Libero position the last year BYU recruited a JC transfer .... would you ever do that unless you were sure that she would play? In addition, M Bower and Wee were both recruited and neither one of them could even get on the floor. H Olmstead resorted to using Robinson and 2 other OH's who weren't good enough to play front row, to man the back row and they were average to below average at best. What does that tell us about the DS's on the team? Just a perplexing situation. Now they have 4 girls on the team and none of them have experience on the back row and that is why they were recruited to begin with. Hopefully, Maddie will come in and do well, but freshman have a difficult time playing top line defense as the starting libero ..... throughout the NCAA's. Then you have the setting position. 2 huge misses in that spot by H Olmstead. I think she is just looking at the hands of potential setters and forgetting that they have to be excellent athletes like Haddock was/is! Lacy wasn't recruited by Heather ... so we can't give credit for that one to her. Now BYU is stuck in the setting position. They can't have just W Bower as the only setter when she is a senior can they? If she gets hurt or sick can Taylor run a 5-1? I don't think she can and have BYU win against decent teams. The OH's are another talent evaluation problem. I am beginning to think it is good think to have Covid cancel the season for BYU and allow them to get another recruiting class in the barn because I don't think they will win the WCC or make the NCAA tourney this season. Not even close IMO. BYU has another setter coming in next year, so they will not be stuck with just W Bower. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 10:53:47 GMT -5
That would be great for BYU setting if the 2021 girl is taller than Bower, can really jump/block and is a great athlete. Who is the recruit?
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Sept 7, 2020 10:56:36 GMT -5
That would be great for BYU setting if the 2021 girl is taller than Bower, can really jump/block and is a great athlete. Who is the recruit? Zayna Meyer. Sports Performance. At least 6 ft. I believe was in the top 50 of PrepVb’s Top 150 |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 11:47:55 GMT -5
Are Dodson and Hakes better than the senior blond MB (can’t remember her name) that’s been riding the pines? Dodson looks like she can be something really special. I would hope so I agree with you that this is likely the starting line up. There are so many questions that can't be answered until matches are actually played. My over-riding concerns are: growing uncomfortableness that the correct players are given playing time under H Olmstead. For example, when BYU had a realistic shot at the national championship and Miller went down. Instead of giving a shot to the 6'4" OH Lewis girl, Heather went with Maddie Rob. From all accounts Lewis had the upper hand in practice in blocking and hitting. Another example is Nixon this past year. Robinson carried her favored status through into the next season and was given most of the playing time, until Stanford started to gain momentum at Stanford and Heather relented and put Nixon in the match. The is no denying that Nixon won BYU that match. But instead of continuing that starting spot for Nixon .... Robinson went back in. The Hamson girl felt pressure to focus on vb only so she quit and when to bb only. Probably an All-American Opp if she had stayed with vb. There are other examples but suffice it to say that I think H Olmstead has difficultly with the eye test of who her best players are or what their upside is. Maybe she has a thing for shorter players who remind her of herself and she gives them leeway over better and taller players? Girls just mysteriously leave the program when they aren't used and a few of them quietly say it like it is. Now that all of Shawn's recruits are gone .... Heather is scrambling to avoid falling off the talent cliff. David Hyte appears to do an excellent job of evaluating MB's and recruiting them. That is the only plus in the program's recruiting net right now. Heather was a Lib in college and she can't seem to get anyone except Mary Lake ..... who was also not her idea .... to play well on the back row. Recruiting issues in talent evaluation plain and simple. If you can't pass well you have to have a fast/quick and very athletic setter who can get to all balls. It is a domino effect! Yes, I agree that USD will win the WCC going away this year and probably Pepperdine will fill the second spot. 3rd and 4th is up for grabs. That will set some pressure on Olmstead to up her game because that won't set with with the BYU crowd. The N Cali rumor has it that Pepperdine is trying to turn a BYU setter recruit who beat W Bower and Tolman in the the semi finals of the Matt Hartner Classic as a freshman when those girls were juniors. UW and Oregon are on her but she won't commit until summer of 2021. I am trying to look up/find her club/team. Covid is a huge set back but maybe a blessing in disguise for BYU women vb this year. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 12:00:17 GMT -5
Arm swing reminds me a little of Ashley Wittman. Setter sister looked pretty good for an incoming freshman! A 16 yr old incoming freshman? |
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Post by Longhorn20 on Sept 7, 2020 12:08:28 GMT -5
Arm swing reminds me a little of Ashley Wittman. Setter sister looked pretty good for an incoming freshman! A 16 yr old incoming freshman? Uh I guess... I don’t know how old she is, just her classification. You ok dude? You seem pretty anti-Olmstead and anti-Bower. Did BYU not recruit your daughter or something? BYU has never really been known to get the top prospects. They’re more known for making good players great (Hamson, Gray, RJP, etc.) |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 12:28:23 GMT -5
That would be great for BYU setting if the 2021 girl is taller than Bower, can really jump/block and is a great athlete. Who is the recruit? Zayna Meyer. Sports Performance. At least 6 ft. I believe was in the top 50 of PrepVb’s Top 150 That is the kind of size that BYU needs. I couldn't find much video of her but what I did find shows her at OH. No setting video of her at all. She looks very fluid and athletic. Could tell if she is a good defender as no video of that either. You have a link? Might be a tad over 6' looking at video. I will check Hudl. |
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Post by huskerjen on Sept 7, 2020 12:33:59 GMT -5
Elbow seems low. But that can be fixed. Her knee's can't! I think this is a disaster for BYU. Eden has knee problems that kept her out of vb for an entire year. If you watch her play in person she has no lateral movement and she can't get to where she needs to be to block. They say she touches 10'5" but I would have to see it to believe it. Anyway, BYU can't have her serve because she can't pass effectively. That is what BYU doesn't need. There are a lot of questions in the vb club world in Utah about the criteria that BYU uses to recruit. For example, BYU offered a girl who really wanted to attend, a walk on spot. She is one of the top OH's in the country. Oregon, Washington, USC and on and on wanted her. She played for Club V and she turned BYU down because they didn't have a scholly for her. Who did? Wisconsin! I have heard first hand accounts from club coaches who are flabbergasted that E Bower was recruited over that Jardine girl (not sure what HS she goes to). Heather is starting to get a reputation for not being able to correctly gauge talent. Girls who want to go to BYU are starting to wonder if the program is sliding downhill pretty quickly. Doesn't BYU have Stowell, Bower, and Little, all coming in the next three classes? Heather isn't exactly recruiting bums. All three are highly regarded pins. Even if Bower's knees limit her collegiate potential, they will have Stowell and Little. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 7, 2020 13:07:42 GMT -5
A 16 yr old incoming freshman? Uh I guess... I don’t know how old she is, just her classification. You ok dude? You seem pretty anti-Olmstead and anti-Bower. Did BYU not recruit your daughter or something? BYU has never really been known to get the top prospects. They’re more known for making good players great (Hamson, Gray, RJP, etc.) Only sons here. One played at BYU other at UCSB. Coach girls club and am not anti BYU or Olmstead. I would love BYU to stay in the NCAA tourney! Think Shawn is one of the best coaches in the country. Watching what is happening to the women's program is concerning to me so if being a realist is anti ..... guess thats your call. When you recruit teenage girls who hit their stride in their junior year (which is almost all of them) if you hold girls out of school one or 2 years for the sole purpose of getting them recognition against younger girls it is deceiving. That is what is happening with Bower #3, #4 and #5. Girls who are actually lots older appear to be headed for stardom if you measure them against girls in their same class when you are talking about 14 yr old vs 16 yr olds. They level off and the younger girls make up the difference by 19 -20. I will say that I agree with the top club coaches all around the western US that only one college would take Bower #3 over the highly recruited Jardine girl who lives right by BYU. When you start to see that type of decision being made where 100 + schools wanted Jardine and a team who played in the national championship match came out to Utah and signed her ...... after she was told she would have to walk on at BYU .... that is going to haunt BYU. The message was loud and clear that BYU was the only school in the country who thought Bower was better. I have coached against the Idaho Crush Bower teams. They are decent, but Tolman is a way better player than Bower #3. Not to be mean to Bower, but you can't sit out an entire year and have serious knee issues in both legs and think that was a smart decision on BYU's part. If BYU wins on the court and they show the world that Bower #3 is great, I will gladly eat my words on this. It is just such a bold decision to not give the Jardine girl a scholly and have the Bower girl walk on (which she would have done) that something must to up. Everyone is talking about it. Coupled with the lack of decent performance of the Bower libero they recruited which really hurt the BYU passing game last season. You can't miss on all back row recruits last year and 2 of the 3 setters in your program (not to mention the OH's) and think people aren't going to notice while your performance is going down hill quickly. So there is precedent that how Idaho Crush does is how BYU will do for the next 5-6 years. These are the types of decisions that either make you a great program or lead to a coaching change for lack of performance. Heather G, Eschenberg, Miller, Ballard, Lake, Hamson, Robins-Hardy, Boswell, Bushman were all big recruits and top 150 players. They have gotten in the past, a lot of top recruits. Dodson is the big get off this year's class, but not sure she will be a MB by the time it is all said and done. Madi Allen can play great but she also has issues of consistency. We will just have to watch and I will certainly eat all my words if the passing improves, the setting/blocking improves and BYU turns their #4 recruiting class (2019) into a legit force on the court rather than on paper. Hope it happens but, there are lots of warning signs here of inability to judge talent correctly at every position except MB. |
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Post by atticus on Sept 8, 2020 11:39:51 GMT -5
Meyer is very good. Brother will be on the BYU men’s team. Allen is excellent. Was on an absolutely stacked Coast team so if they spread the PT around I don’t think that necessarily means she has any less potential to be an impact player in college out of the gates.
Agree about the back row struggles last year.
Isn’t Lauren Jardine a senior this year? BYU had long ago committed Stowell for a ‘21 OH and she’s very good. The Bower OH is a ‘22.
Agree about BYU having a strong system for middles.
Having 2020 play put off til spring (or not happen at all) isn’t such a bad thing for young teams who will benefit from more time to prepare. BYU included in that group.
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Post by mintonetteman on Sept 8, 2020 15:45:35 GMT -5
Obviously you are someone with an ax to grind and probably a Club V coach. I have been curious to see if this kind of post would materialize. I will say this, I welcome all the pins BYU can get over the next three years and was really excited that BYU was able to recruit three very good outsides in three consecutive years, 21, Stowell, 22, Bowers and 23, Little -- (all with apparent good size and all experienced club back row players). To me--an indication that Heather Olmstead has recruited well--and in a smart and deliberate way. I have complained at great length about the need BYU has to find true six rotation outsides and feel that that was the biggest issue last year--it seemed BYU was as good (or as bad) as M. Robinson on any particular night. Atticus is right, BYU recruited Stowell over Jardine (IMO an easy decision)--not sure what this has to do with any of the Bowers or Idaho Crush. I have watched Jardine--very good athlete, but IMO, clearly not a back row player when I watched her. What is sad about Jardine is that I remember when she was a 14 year old playing on her club team (even at that young age she was not playing back row)...I remember thinking that was a travesty and having conversations with my buddies--many of whom are college coaches--about why a club coach wouldn't develop her as a six rotation player. Hope that coach wasn't you, WCvb1!!!  |
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Post by atticus on Sept 8, 2020 16:51:15 GMT -5
Right. Stowell is a true six rotation OH and that’s incredibly valuable.
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