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Post by mintonetteman on Sept 8, 2020 17:27:31 GMT -5
Not just valuable--an absolute necessity. I just have a feeling that Heather Olmstead is very focused on six rotation pins (thus the recruitment in back to back to back years)--I think it is smart and can't understand the criticism for that emphasis. Sometimes your present need gets emphasized in your immediate recruiting. Stowell is exactly what BYU needs next year -- not, IMO, Jardine.
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 8, 2020 21:07:31 GMT -5
Obviously you are someone with an ax to grind and probably a Club V coach. I have been curious to see if this kind of post would materialize. I will say this, I welcome all the pins BYU can get over the next three years and was really excited that BYU was able to recruit three very good outsides in three consecutive years, 21, Stowell, 22, Bowers and 23, Little -- (all with apparent good size and all experienced club back row players). To me--an indication that Heather Olmstead has recruited well--and in a smart and deliberate way. I have complained at great length about the need BYU has to find true six rotation outsides and feel that that was the biggest issue last year--it seemed BYU was as good (or as bad) as M. Robinson on any particular night. Atticus is right, BYU recruited Stowell over Jardine (IMO an easy decision)--not sure what this has to do with any of the Bowers or Idaho Crush. I have watched Jardine--very good athlete, but IMO, clearly not a back row player when I watched her. What is sad about Jardine is that I remember when she was a 14 year old playing on her club team (even at that young age she was not playing back row)...I remember thinking that was a travesty and having conversations with my buddies--many of whom are college coaches--about why a club coach wouldn't develop her as a six rotation player. Hope that coach wasn't you, WCvb1!!!  Ok, I live in So Cal and not Utah. Never worked or coached with any club in Utah nor am I friends with any club coaches at Club V. I coach for Sunshine and we put a couple of D-1 vb athletes out every year. A quick review of Club V shows that they provide just as many players to BYU women as anyone else so not sure why they would be mad at one of their players not going to BYU and going to the team who lost in the national championship match to Stanford? That doesn't make sense at all. If you "welcome all the pin hitters BYU can get over the next 3 years" why eliminate a recruit who is more highly regarded than any OH BYU had on its radar? It appears that you might be touchy about the direction of the program. No ax to grind just pointing out why a program can't stay at a sweet 16 or 32 level (and probably won't win their conference or make the NCAA's) due to talent evaluation mistakes which have been a bigger impact than the availability of talented recruits. If there is a season this spring, BYU will be lucky to place top 2 in WCC. My guess is 3rd. So rather than getting all dramatized about the issues I will state clearly my reasoning and evidence. We can agree to disagree and await actual on court performance. First, there is no rule about recruiting none or multiple players at the same position in the same class. For example, BYU took not 1 but 3 OH's in 2019. Anderson, Dayton and Johnson. Are any of these players better than Jardine? Do any of you think that more than 1 of those players will turn into legit D-1 starting OH's? So the argument that Stowell is the only OH that could have been recruited for 21 is out the window. In fact, nothing kept BYU from NOT recruiting an OH for 22. So Stowell and Jardine could have both been recruited and we could have all seen for ourselves who would emerge. Maybe both would have? A six rotation pin is great. I agree. But, there aren't any NCAA tourney teams whose coaches believe Bower has any chance at playing back row unless BYU is a 5th place or lower WCC team. Have you seen her play? If her mom weren't the coach she wouldn't be on the back row at all, including serving. It is that bad. Her team was a bottom 20% NIT finisher. You simply don't have a Wisc, Penn State, Nebraska, Washington and a whole list of Sweet 16 teams recruiting an OH who is bad on the back row and can't hit at a national championship level ie Jardine. I will take the list of who's who in college vb .... who recruited her over your observations of her. No Sweet 16 teams recruited Bower, despite the assertion by someone on here that Nebraska did. They didn't and they looked! I will agree that Jardine isn't a gem passer (way better passer than serve receive). She will need to improve that area of her game by 30% to make an impact a Wisc or need to be covered up. But, I will also say that Bower isn't even in the same zip code on defense, quickness or reactivity as other recruits including Jardine. If you are going to recruit Erin Anderson, Abbey Dayton, and Morgan Johnson as OH's you have a whole lot of explaining to do about Jardine. Remember the argument isn't whether Jardine is better than Stowell, it is whether Jardine is better than any of the BYU OH's on the current roster? At least 6 players on the BYU roster shouldn't have been recruited. that might be light. BYU offered Jardine to walk on, so they thought she was good enough to play or they wouldn't have done that. They thought that she would come without a scholly. Evidently not. I was told by 2 coaches who were in the final 4 that they couldn't believe that BYU did that .... with the comment from one of them that if she is good enough for a Wisc scholly, she should be good enough for BYU! Jardine probably is super happy that she is in a big time program which played for the national championship last season and is the odd's on favorite to get back there again. I am sure she is thrilled. I am not a Jardine homer! My point isn't that Jardine is disadvantaged by what happened and may have sour grapes about being passed over for a scholly at BYU. She already had multiple offers in her pocket when BYU called to ask her to walk on. I am told that she would have accepted BYU's offer if it had come. My real issue is that there is almost total unanimity among top level coaches that BYU made a huge mistake. There are players on the current roster at BYU who aren't legit D-1 players .... and BYU passed over one big-time player who they thought they could get with a walk on offer while they turn around and give a scholly to Bower #3. BYU can't afford to allow a top 20 hitter to get away from them. Even the reasoning you use for Jardine not being a good enough back row player rings hallow. BYU used Maddie Rob the whole season. What did you think of her performance? Not a single other OH on the team (except an occasional Dayton DS appearance) was evidently good enough to replace Maddie! So, when did your hurdle of being a great passer get thrown to the side as a requirement for a pin hitter at the Y? Those are my reasons without getting into the other wasted scholarships at other positions on the BYU roster which make life hard on having enough money to go around and you end up offering walk on status to a recruit who would be crazy to take it. I would like a link on the Meyer girl setting if anyone has it and you aren't too mad at me for pointing out what many are already thinking about BYU's recruiting/roster. Meyers looks to have a really good arm swing, but I don't want to extrapolate her hitting ability into setting ability without seeing it. But from all appearances she has huge athletic ability and that is a big plus. Looking at the shear athletic ability of the 2 BYU setters over the last 2 years it is depressing. I am not including Bower in that observation either. I like a lot about her .... just not that she was forced into setting for BYU as a high school senior ..... which points again to talent evaluation/upside issues in this program. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 8, 2020 21:25:46 GMT -5
Be careful proclaiming HS pin hitters as 6 rotation D-1 girls before they step on the college court. Maybe she is maybe she isn't. Read the bio of BYU recruits when Olmstead announces her recruiting classes. She is just like almost all other D1 vb coaches in proclaiming who can be a 6 rotation player. Very very seldom works out. Just as often a player who is a walk on turns out to be a 6 rotation player ie RJP. Look at the Ballard Nixon and Robinson reviews as well as the vaunted #4 recruiting class in the nation .... and the #8 class behind that one. But, I hope Stowell is a great 6 rotation player.
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Post by silverchloride on Sept 8, 2020 23:11:14 GMT -5
Be careful proclaiming HS pin hitters as 6 rotation D-1 girls before they step on the college court. Maybe she is maybe she isn't. Read the bio of BYU recruits when Olmstead announces her recruiting classes. She is just like almost all other D1 vb coaches in proclaiming who can be a 6 rotation player. Very very seldom works out. Just as often a player who is a walk on turns out to be a 6 rotation player ie RJP. Look at the Ballard Nixon and Robinson reviews as well as the vaunted #4 recruiting class in the nation .... and the #8 class behind that one. But, I hope Stowell is a great 6 rotation player. Do you think it might be more challenging for BYU to recruit given that it is affiliated with the LDS and has a strict code of conduct? |
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Be careful proclaiming HS pin hitters as 6 rotation D-1 girls before they step on the college court. Maybe she is maybe she isn't. Read the bio of BYU recruits when Olmstead announces her recruiting classes. She is just like almost all other D1 vb coaches in proclaiming who can be a 6 rotation player. Very very seldom works out. Just as often a player who is a walk on turns out to be a 6 rotation player ie RJP. Look at the Ballard Nixon and Robinson reviews as well as the vaunted #4 recruiting class in the nation .... and the #8 class behind that one. But, I hope Stowell is a great 6 rotation player. Do you think it might be more challenging for BYU to recruit given that it is affiliated with the LDS and has a strict code of conduct? that’s a given lol |
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Post by mintonetteman on Sept 8, 2020 23:30:51 GMT -5
Bummer...thought you mught be a Tye. Your comments indicate you are WAY to invested in the Jardine girl to be objective. Those of us in the region know exactly why Jardine didn't end up at BYU--but we dont like talking negatively about kids in a public forum. I wish her the best. You also obviously know quite a lot about the Bowers family and there is obviously a personal issue there as well--you apparently dont like ANY of them at all. I have former BYU teammates coaching D1...they have told me the 3 pins coming in over the next three years are all pretty special,including the Bowers girl that is an OH.
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Obviously you are someone with an ax to grind and probably a Club V coach. I have been curious to see if this kind of post would materialize. I will say this, I welcome all the pins BYU can get over the next three years and was really excited that BYU was able to recruit three very good outsides in three consecutive years, 21, Stowell, 22, Bowers and 23, Little -- (all with apparent good size and all experienced club back row players). To me--an indication that Heather Olmstead has recruited well--and in a smart and deliberate way. I have complained at great length about the need BYU has to find true six rotation outsides and feel that that was the biggest issue last year--it seemed BYU was as good (or as bad) as M. Robinson on any particular night. Atticus is right, BYU recruited Stowell over Jardine (IMO an easy decision)--not sure what this has to do with any of the Bowers or Idaho Crush. I have watched Jardine--very good athlete, but IMO, clearly not a back row player when I watched her. What is sad about Jardine is that I remember when she was a 14 year old playing on her club team (even at that young age she was not playing back row)...I remember thinking that was a travesty and having conversations with my buddies--many of whom are college coaches--about why a club coach wouldn't develop her as a six rotation player. Hope that coach wasn't you, WCvb1!!! Ok, I live in So Cal and not Utah. Never worked or coached with any club in Utah nor am I friends with any club coaches at Club V. I coach for Sunshine and we put a couple of D-1 vb athletes out every year. A quick review of Club V shows that they provide just as many players to BYU women as anyone else so not sure why they would be mad at one of their players not going to BYU and going to the team who lost in the national championship match to Stanford? That doesn't make sense at all. If you "welcome all the pin hitters BYU can get over the next 3 years" why eliminate a recruit who is more highly regarded than any OH BYU had on its radar? It appears that you might be touchy about the direction of the program. No ax to grind just pointing out why a program can't stay at a sweet 16 or 32 level (and probably won't win their conference or make the NCAA's) due to talent evaluation mistakes which have been a bigger impact than the availability of talented recruits. If there is a season this spring, BYU will be lucky to place top 2 in WCC. My guess is 3rd. So rather than getting all dramatized about the issues I will state clearly my reasoning and evidence. We can agree to disagree and await actual on court performance. First, there is no rule about recruiting none or multiple players at the same position in the same class. For example, BYU took not 1 but 3 OH's in 2019. Anderson, Dayton and Johnson. Are any of these players better than Jardine? Do any of you think that more than 1 of those players will turn into legit D-1 starting OH's? So the argument that Stowell is the only OH that could have been recruited for 21 is out the window. In fact, nothing kept BYU from NOT recruiting an OH for 22. So Stowell and Jardine could have both been recruited and we could have all seen for ourselves who would emerge. Maybe both would have? A six rotation pin is great. I agree. But, there aren't any NCAA tourney teams whose coaches believe Bower has any chance at playing back row unless BYU is a 5th place or lower WCC team. Have you seen her play? If her mom weren't the coach she wouldn't be on the back row at all, including serving. It is that bad. Her team was a bottom 20% NIT finisher. You simply don't have a Wisc, Penn State, Nebraska, Washington and a whole list of Sweet 16 teams recruiting an OH who is bad on the back row and can't hit at a national championship level ie Jardine. I will take the list of who's who in college vb .... who recruited her over your observations of her. No Sweet 16 teams recruited Bower, despite the assertion by someone on here that Nebraska did. They didn't and they looked! I will agree that Jardine isn't a gem passer (way better passer than serve receive). She will need to improve that area of her game by 30% to make an impact a Wisc or need to be covered up. But, I will also say that Bower isn't even in the same zip code on defense, quickness or reactivity as other recruits including Jardine. If you are going to recruit Erin Anderson, Abbey Dayton, and Morgan Johnson as OH's you have a whole lot of explaining to do about Jardine. Remember the argument isn't whether Jardine is better than Stowell, it is whether Jardine is better than any of the BYU OH's on the current roster? At least 6 players on the BYU roster shouldn't have been recruited. that might be light. BYU offered Jardine to walk on, so they thought she was good enough to play or they wouldn't have done that. They thought that she would come without a scholly. Evidently not. I was told by 2 coaches who were in the final 4 that they couldn't believe that BYU did that .... with the comment from one of them that if she is good enough for a Wisc scholly, she should be good enough for BYU! Jardine probably is super happy that she is in a big time program which played for the national championship last season and is the odd's on favorite to get back there again. I am sure she is thrilled. I am not a Jardine homer! My point isn't that Jardine is disadvantaged by what happened and may have sour grapes about being passed over for a scholly at BYU. She already had multiple offers in her pocket when BYU called to ask her to walk on. I am told that she would have accepted BYU's offer if it had come. My real issue is that there is almost total unanimity among top level coaches that BYU made a huge mistake. There are players on the current roster at BYU who aren't legit D-1 players .... and BYU passed over one big-time player who they thought they could get with a walk on offer while they turn around and give a scholly to Bower #3. BYU can't afford to allow a top 20 hitter to get away from them. Even the reasoning you use for Jardine not being a good enough back row player rings hallow. BYU used Maddie Rob the whole season. What did you think of her performance? Not a single other OH on the team (except an occasional Dayton DS appearance) was evidently good enough to replace Maddie! So, when did your hurdle of being a great passer get thrown to the side as a requirement for a pin hitter at the Y? Those are my reasons without getting into the other wasted scholarships at other positions on the BYU roster which make life hard on having enough money to go around and you end up offering walk on status to a recruit who would be crazy to take it. I would like a link on the Meyer girl setting if anyone has it and you aren't too mad at me for pointing out what many are already thinking about BYU's recruiting/roster. Meyers looks to have a really good arm swing, but I don't want to extrapolate her hitting ability into setting ability without seeing it. But from all appearances she has huge athletic ability and that is a big plus. Looking at the shear athletic ability of the 2 BYU setters over the last 2 years it is depressing. I am not including Bower in that observation either. I like a lot about her .... just not that she was forced into setting for BYU as a high school senior ..... which points again to talent evaluation/upside issues in this program. LHE was super athletic though. 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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 16:02:25 GMT -5
Ok, I live in So Cal and not Utah. Never worked or coached with any club in Utah nor am I friends with any club coaches at Club V. I coach for Sunshine and we put a couple of D-1 vb athletes out every year. A quick review of Club V shows that they provide just as many players to BYU women as anyone else so not sure why they would be mad at one of their players not going to BYU and going to the team who lost in the national championship match to Stanford? That doesn't make sense at all. If you "welcome all the pin hitters BYU can get over the next 3 years" why eliminate a recruit who is more highly regarded than any OH BYU had on its radar? It appears that you might be touchy about the direction of the program. No ax to grind just pointing out why a program can't stay at a sweet 16 or 32 level (and probably won't win their conference or make the NCAA's) due to talent evaluation mistakes which have been a bigger impact than the availability of talented recruits. If there is a season this spring, BYU will be lucky to place top 2 in WCC. My guess is 3rd. So rather than getting all dramatized about the issues I will state clearly my reasoning and evidence. We can agree to disagree and await actual on court performance. First, there is no rule about recruiting none or multiple players at the same position in the same class. For example, BYU took not 1 but 3 OH's in 2019. Anderson, Dayton and Johnson. Are any of these players better than Jardine? Do any of you think that more than 1 of those players will turn into legit D-1 starting OH's? So the argument that Stowell is the only OH that could have been recruited for 21 is out the window. In fact, nothing kept BYU from NOT recruiting an OH for 22. So Stowell and Jardine could have both been recruited and we could have all seen for ourselves who would emerge. Maybe both would have? A six rotation pin is great. I agree. But, there aren't any NCAA tourney teams whose coaches believe Bower has any chance at playing back row unless BYU is a 5th place or lower WCC team. Have you seen her play? If her mom weren't the coach she wouldn't be on the back row at all, including serving. It is that bad. Her team was a bottom 20% NIT finisher. You simply don't have a Wisc, Penn State, Nebraska, Washington and a whole list of Sweet 16 teams recruiting an OH who is bad on the back row and can't hit at a national championship level ie Jardine. I will take the list of who's who in college vb .... who recruited her over your observations of her. No Sweet 16 teams recruited Bower, despite the assertion by someone on here that Nebraska did. They didn't and they looked! I will agree that Jardine isn't a gem passer (way better passer than serve receive). She will need to improve that area of her game by 30% to make an impact a Wisc or need to be covered up. But, I will also say that Bower isn't even in the same zip code on defense, quickness or reactivity as other recruits including Jardine. If you are going to recruit Erin Anderson, Abbey Dayton, and Morgan Johnson as OH's you have a whole lot of explaining to do about Jardine. Remember the argument isn't whether Jardine is better than Stowell, it is whether Jardine is better than any of the BYU OH's on the current roster? At least 6 players on the BYU roster shouldn't have been recruited. that might be light. BYU offered Jardine to walk on, so they thought she was good enough to play or they wouldn't have done that. They thought that she would come without a scholly. Evidently not. I was told by 2 coaches who were in the final 4 that they couldn't believe that BYU did that .... with the comment from one of them that if she is good enough for a Wisc scholly, she should be good enough for BYU! Jardine probably is super happy that she is in a big time program which played for the national championship last season and is the odd's on favorite to get back there again. I am sure she is thrilled. I am not a Jardine homer! My point isn't that Jardine is disadvantaged by what happened and may have sour grapes about being passed over for a scholly at BYU. She already had multiple offers in her pocket when BYU called to ask her to walk on. I am told that she would have accepted BYU's offer if it had come. My real issue is that there is almost total unanimity among top level coaches that BYU made a huge mistake. There are players on the current roster at BYU who aren't legit D-1 players .... and BYU passed over one big-time player who they thought they could get with a walk on offer while they turn around and give a scholly to Bower #3. BYU can't afford to allow a top 20 hitter to get away from them. Even the reasoning you use for Jardine not being a good enough back row player rings hallow. BYU used Maddie Rob the whole season. What did you think of her performance? Not a single other OH on the team (except an occasional Dayton DS appearance) was evidently good enough to replace Maddie! So, when did your hurdle of being a great passer get thrown to the side as a requirement for a pin hitter at the Y? Those are my reasons without getting into the other wasted scholarships at other positions on the BYU roster which make life hard on having enough money to go around and you end up offering walk on status to a recruit who would be crazy to take it. I would like a link on the Meyer girl setting if anyone has it and you aren't too mad at me for pointing out what many are already thinking about BYU's recruiting/roster. Meyers looks to have a really good arm swing, but I don't want to extrapolate her hitting ability into setting ability without seeing it. But from all appearances she has huge athletic ability and that is a big plus. Looking at the shear athletic ability of the 2 BYU setters over the last 2 years it is depressing. I am not including Bower in that observation either. I like a lot about her .... just not that she was forced into setting for BYU as a high school senior ..... which points again to talent evaluation/upside issues in this program. LHE was super athletic though. Why bring up the part about the setters being unathletic? |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 16:45:04 GMT -5
Be careful proclaiming HS pin hitters as 6 rotation D-1 girls before they step on the college court. Maybe she is maybe she isn't. Read the bio of BYU recruits when Olmstead announces her recruiting classes. She is just like almost all other D1 vb coaches in proclaiming who can be a 6 rotation player. Very very seldom works out. Just as often a player who is a walk on turns out to be a 6 rotation player ie RJP. Look at the Ballard Nixon and Robinson reviews as well as the vaunted #4 recruiting class in the nation .... and the #8 class behind that one. But, I hope Stowell is a great 6 rotation player. Do you think it might be more challenging for BYU to recruit given that it is affiliated with the LDS and has a strict code of conduct? Yes, do think the Honor Code can be a challenge for recruiting, but it is way less of an issue with us girls in sports than with boys and sports at the ages we are addressing. This is why when BYU women's vb sees a top 250 player and she is active LDS they need to have a super good reason to not offer her a scholly. When the girl is rated top 150 it should be automatic. But yes, they have to be careful and do a thorough check of the background including social media and pics .... going back for 3 years. I have no idea if Jardine has issues that would disqualify her but "those of you who are from the area and know the reason she wasn't offered a scholly" might be alluding to other factors I have no knowledge about. I doubt it, because off court issues would have prevented Heather from offering Jardine a walk on status. I am only looking at the qualities of the player on the court. I am not against Stowell. I do think she could be a good one. Just looking at the stable of BYU OH's on the current roster, knowing Nixon will be gone, Jardine should have been offered a scholly to take or reject. Wisc is a super program with proven recruiting and they along with other programs in the sweet 16 could be wrong about Jardine but it is much more likely that BYU was wrong. I don't think Bower #3 will prove to be an impact player for BYU. Hope I am wrong. Plus Bower would have come as a walk on. So, those of you who make the argument that BYU is better off without Jardine .... when BYU could have had all of them including Stowell, Jardine and Bower, I and a bunch of top college coaches including one at Stanford think that is crazy talk. The reason I am harping on the Bower line is that M Bower couldn't make it onto the court last year and Heather chose to not redshirt her. That says something. Eden is 18 years old and a Jr. Alex is 16 and a freshman. If you compare them to others of their age ...... they aren't elite. They simply jumped out to a lead in athletic ability and height because of a 1.75 - 2 yr age gap over their peers in the same class. Boys are sometimes held back, I did it to one of my sons. But they usually develop mentally at a slower rate than girls do ... up to and throughout the teen years. It is very unusual to hold girls out of school for strictly vb reasons. If there was another family in the country that held their daughters out of school 1-2 years strictly because of vb recruiting I would be critical of them also. Give my another family in the country who does that? When Eden had knee issues for most of last year, there was talk that they would hold her out of school for another year but she would be a 20 yr old senior if they did that. So our little disagreement in this forum will only be resolved by the play of Jardine at UWisc and by Bower #3 at BYU. We will have to wait and see who has the valid points as they both go off to college vb and perform on the court, or not. BYU should be back in the NCAA tourney soon enough if you are all correct. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 17:12:20 GMT -5
LHE was super athletic though. Why bring up the part about the setters being unathletic? LHE was super athletic! Haddock was the prototype setter for BYU and the best to ever play the spot at BYU. She was very strong, a good jumper, a very accurate setter and she had a good feel for the game. She has good lateral quickness as well as decent forward speed. She was the real deal and the bonus was that she was quick enough to save out of system passes and cover for her passers because of her range. She is also 2 inches taller than W Bower, who isn't 5'9" as BYUtv announcers are constantly saying so that fans don't think it is weird to have a 5' 7" (in her shoes) girl playing in a 5-1. Haddock could also jump 3 inches higher than Bower. Go back and watch the very first match of this past season on BYUtv and watch Heather run over to the announcers on TV and ask them what they said about W Bower when the match concluded. She even suggested what they should say! It was the first thing out of her mouth. It is the strangest thing I have heard a coach say on live TV. Heather was panicking and decided that she had 2 older setters in the program (who she recruited) who couldn't play a 5-1 and have BYU win tough matches. She and the Bower mom decided right after BYU lost in the national semi final that W Bower would hurry and finish HS and come to BYU early. These other setters never knew what hit them. W Bower was the starter on day one. I am Ok with that line of events. What is troubling me is that Heather recruited both of the other setters and now I am supposed to believe that she is a great talent evaluator/recruiter with a master plan? |
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LHE was super athletic! Haddock was the prototype setter for BYU and the best to ever play the spot at BYU. She was very strong, a good jumper, a very accurate setter and she had a good feel for the game. She has good lateral quickness as well as decent forward speed. She was the real deal and the bonus was that she was quick enough to save out of system passes and cover for her passers because of her range. She is also 2 inches taller than W Bower, who isn't 5'9" as BYUtv announcers are constantly saying so that fans don't think it is weird to have a 5' 7" (in her shoes) girl playing in a 5-1. Haddock could also jump 3 inches higher than Bower. Go back and watch the very first match of this past season on BYUtv and watch Heather run over to the announcers on TV and ask them what they said about W Bower when the match concluded. She even suggested what they should say! It was the first thing out of her mouth. It is the strangest thing I have heard a coach say on live TV. Heather was panicking and decided that she had 2 older setters in the program (who she recruited) who couldn't play a 5-1 and have BYU win tough matches. She and the Bower mom decided right after BYU lost in the national semi final that W Bower would hurry and finish HS and come to BYU early. These other setters never knew what hit them. W Bower was the starter on day one. I am Ok with that line of events. What is troubling me is that Heather recruited both of the other setters and now I am supposed to believe that she is a great talent evaluator/recruiter with a master plan? Can you provide a link to the match where heather says this |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 17:52:11 GMT -5
Bummer...thought you mught be a Tye. Your comments indicate you are WAY to invested in the Jardine girl to be objective. Those of us in the region know exactly why Jardine didn't end up at BYU--but we dont like talking negatively about kids in a public forum. I wish her the best. You also obviously know quite a lot about the Bowers family and there is obviously a personal issue there as well--you apparently dont like ANY of them at all. I have former BYU teammates coaching D1...they have told me the 3 pins coming in over the next three years are all pretty special,including the Bowers girl that is an OH. Well maybe those ex-BYU teammates could explain how it would be a disadvantage to have Jardine on the same team as well as the other 3 girls who were given scholly's?? Again No one believes Bower #3 wouldn't have come to BYU as a walk on(if she is as good as you say she is, she would be given a scholarship after a year anyway) .... given her physical difficulties and her sisters in the program. So, have your ex-BYU teammates give us a run down on the reasons why a girl was recruited by 11 of the Sweet 16 teams and wasn't good enough to be given a scholly by Heather. At some point, Heather needs to realize that she is an excellent x's and o's coach. She has a great system. But she needs to change/revamp/stay out of/allow her assistant coaches to offer, or hire someone who is a very good talent evaluator of upside potential. It is NEVER about how good that high school vb player is as a 15-17 year old. It is always about how good they can become by 20 years old. Body type, muscle structure, work ethic, goal setting, competitive fire are all traits that I think Heather struggles to identify. That is her big weakness. Ironically, Heather and staff would be excellent at teaching the fine details and fundamentals of the game to pure athletes. Their downfall is not getting the big time athletes, whether or not they have a mastery of all the fundamentals. That is what bothers me about the Bowers, they are fundamentally ahead of other girls in their grade because they have excellent coaching and lots of time in the gym via their age and their mom. But, they plateau as they get older because their pure athletic ability is superseded by girls in other top programs, which develop these more athletic girls into higher level players after a year or 2 in college. It is no accident that the Idaho Crush have had excellent U14 and U16 teams over the last 5 years but their 17 and 18's don't continue that tradition at all. Maybe Heather could get her brother to help out on the recruiting front? He has a knack for it! He had the guts to get 2 walk-on's into the program and they made first team All-American. He does it almost every year with the BYU men! Wow is all I can say to that feat of player development. But, most importantly he always makes sure he has the raw physical materials to work with! |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 18:50:36 GMT -5
LHE was super athletic! Haddock was the prototype setter for BYU and the best to ever play the spot at BYU. She was very strong, a good jumper, a very accurate setter and she had a good feel for the game. She has good lateral quickness as well as decent forward speed. She was the real deal and the bonus was that she was quick enough to save out of system passes and cover for her passers because of her range. She is also 2 inches taller than W Bower, who isn't 5'9" as BYUtv announcers are constantly saying so that fans don't think it is weird to have a 5' 7" (in her shoes) girl playing in a 5-1. Haddock could also jump 3 inches higher than Bower. Go back and watch the very first match of this past season on BYUtv and watch Heather run over to the announcers on TV and ask them what they said about W Bower when the match concluded. She even suggested what they should say! It was the first thing out of her mouth. It is the strangest thing I have heard a coach say on live TV. Heather was panicking and decided that she had 2 older setters in the program (who she recruited) who couldn't play a 5-1 and have BYU win tough matches. She and the Bower mom decided right after BYU lost in the national semi final that W Bower would hurry and finish HS and come to BYU early. These other setters never knew what hit them. W Bower was the starter on day one. I am Ok with that line of events. What is troubling me is that Heather recruited both of the other setters and now I am supposed to believe that she is a great talent evaluator/recruiter with a master plan? Can you provide a link to the match where heather says this BYUtv.org Boise State vs BYU in the first match of the season. Post match comments with Spencer Linton and Heather. I wanted to post the link to the match but for some reason BYUtv doesn't have any women's vb match on their DVR right now. I tried youtube and they have the match but no post match comments/interviews are included. You can see if your BYUtv data base has the match or I will check back in the next few days to see if it is just an over-site on BYUtv's part to not have a single match from the 2019 season on demand. |
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Post by WCvb1 on Sept 9, 2020 19:12:53 GMT -5
LHE was super athletic though. Why bring up the part about the setters being unathletic? Madden54: I bring it up because if you are a 5-1 offensive program(like BYU), why would you recruit girls who aren't able to play front row effectively? If those recruits can't block well, don't have lateral speed, don't have straight line speed and can't accurately set big out of system passes then you are dooming your program. Tausinga/Hifo has issues that prevent her from running a good 5-1 offense. Not a problem with her personally, she just doesn't have the physical gifts that are needed to be a successful 5-1 setter. If W Bower goes down with injury or sickness BYU is in big trouble. They would have to have another setter who can combine with Hifo to run a 6-2. They don't have that. So, Tayler is a wasted slot for BYU. At least last year if Bower went down BYU could have had Hifo and Moea'i combine in a 6-2. They needed to go find another 5-1 setter with the physical skills to be able to run the team for this season, maybe like Meyer girl seems to have via the comments of others on this board. But again lack of a plan has painted them into a corner again. Now they will have to depend on Bower staying totally healthy or Covid wiping out the season so Meyer can get on campus. Even with Meyer coming in BYU has to have another 2022 setter who is a great athlete and can run a 5-1 so that they have two setters on the roster (who are both capable of top level 5-1 offense) in case the starter gets hurt after Bower graduates. Recruiting non 5-1 setters is a waste of scholly's and roster spots. BYU did it twice in a row. That is why I brought up the past 2 setters. |
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BYU 2020
Sept 9, 2020 19:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by charger0304 on Sept 9, 2020 19:26:51 GMT -5
This thread sure took a turn...
In any case I think it was well acknowledged that 2020 would be a rebuilding year for BYU, especially once Gneiting decided to go on her mission. The impact of Robinson’s transfer is still up in the air.
Olmstead and staff are unapologetic about BYU’s LDS status. They moved on without hesitation when a top 2022 wasn’t sure she was interested because of the Church affiliation.
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