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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:43:20 GMT -5
As schools shut down, that doesn't mean employees (coaches included) aren't working. Unless they have a travel restriction within the US, (which I haven't heard a school doing as of yet) I'd think it's a personal choice if a coach wants to be in a convention center with a crowd of people. I understand that clubs attend events for recruiting purposes. I'd think in the case of qualifiers that they're trying to qualify as well. They may not want to qualify if they don't want to travel to Dallas/Reno because of the uncertainty at this time. I just don't know how much of a factor college coaches not attending events will be a factor in not attending an event at this point since this is health based. Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. Yet Harvard gave all the students 5 days to get out of Harvard housing FORCING them TO FLY HOME. You really think that seems like a good idea?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -5
Couldn’t figure out how to copy this image a friend sent me but it exactly way I feel. Glad there’s others who feel same Dear valued customer Due to the recent outbreak of stupidity and panic purchasing by complete idiots, the nation is currently experiencing a shortage of toilet paper and common sense. We expect supplies to be replenished once these sheep minded morons have all starved to deaths in their homes surrounded by toilet paper but without anything to eat Thank you for your patience. Your friends send you images and memes which confirm your slanted world view rather than challenging it (with evidence and data)? Huh, shocker. Ain't social media great!
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 11, 2020 10:47:41 GMT -5
From Heather Cox Richardson.
The trick to the novel coronavirus is that it spreads exponentially. Today we are seeing states—Washington, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York-- declare emergencies, based on what, on their face, seem like very few cases: just 76 in New York, for example. But those numbers almost certainly will skyrocket over the next week or two. Private labs in New York began testing for coronavirus on Friday and today Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters that public officials couldn’t keep up. They found 16 new cases between Monday and Tuesday. By declaring emergencies now, and trying to enforce social distancing, governors, business leaders, and universities hope to slow down the spread of the virus. This is important because if we can slow it down, we can help to make sure that hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once with people who need attention. The comparison people are making these days is between Philadelphia and St. Louis during the 1918 flu epidemic. In Philadelphia, the city’s public health commissioner, a political appointee, did not want to hurt public morale by cancelling public events. On September 28, the city held a big parade to raise money for the Liberty Bonds that were funding WWI, and 200,000 people attended. Two days later, people started to die. On October 3, city leaders closed down the city, but it was too late to stop the spread of the influenza. By the end of the season, 12,000 Philadelphians had died. In St. Louis, in contrast, the public health commissioner shut down the city. Drawing the wrath of local businessmen, he shut down schools, sporting events, bars, and movie theaters. People in St. Louis still got sick, but the infection rate was slow enough that the sick got treatment; the infections did not spike. At the end of the season 1,700 people died of the flu in St. Louis, half the rate in Philadelphia. The novel coronavirus is spreading in America, but we can still slow it down by social distancing and avoiding crowds. Many of us will still get it, but if we can just keep the numbers spread out, we can make sure the sickest of us can get the treatment they will need. We need to avoid that deadly spike. Today #flattenthecurve is all over Twitter.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 11, 2020 10:53:50 GMT -5
Harvard has forbidden flying anywhere. I'm sure others have done the same. Yet Harvard gave all the students 5 days to get out of Harvard housing FORCING them TO FLY HOME. You really think that seems like a good idea? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:57:19 GMT -5
The hype of this by the media is disgusting. People are not comparing it to the flu. They are comparing to new strains of the flu like H1N1. It is likely this will be similar to H1N1 in scale for the USA, but may be lower since the travel restrictions/advisories happened earlier this time. Why does the media not report and research H1N1? Are the records from 2009/10 too hard to pull from dusty library collections? Why? Can any of the old people on here remember what happened in 2009/10? I can remember the screenings, some advisories, a couple news stories etc. I remember when they found the vacine. Weird how little news coverage it received in comparison. This is why you are seeing many people disgusted by the hype of this for political purposes. I would think everyone should be prepared for similar stats to H1N1 but shouted much louder. The USA will not restrict movement of people. Stopping incoming people might have helped us but obama did that too but around 8-9 weeks into further than trump did on this one. Let's assume no difference. Use that research tool and you will see what this unknown, unhyped H1N1 did. Around 50,000,000 americans were ESTIMATED to have contracted it (unbelievable but we did not test 50MM people back in 2009). Around 30,000 americans died from complications caused by it. (mostly older/sicker people) The death rate was very LOW (when they could estimate the true size of the DENOMINATOR). The death rate in Italy was SHOCKINGLY high compared to any developed country. It was hundreds of times higher than Germany. ^^^^ Given that last little fact, does it seem strange that unbiased media reports cite Italy so much? Why don't you go to the Johns Hopkins site and see for your self how Italy compares with Korea and Germany AGAIN on this virus and ask yourself why anyone that is smart is citing Italy when "providing information to people"? www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6Just click on the countries on the left and you will see that stats for that country.
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Post by akbar on Mar 11, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -5
From Heather Cox Richardson. The trick to the novel coronavirus is that it spreads exponentially. Today we are seeing states—Washington, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York-- declare emergencies, based on what, on their face, seem like very few cases: just 76 in New York, for example. But those numbers almost certainly will skyrocket over the next week or two. Private labs in New York began testing for coronavirus on Friday and today Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters that public officials couldn’t keep up. They found 16 new cases between Monday and Tuesday. By declaring emergencies now, and trying to enforce social distancing, governors, business leaders, and universities hope to slow down the spread of the virus. This is important because if we can slow it down, we can help to make sure that hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once with people who need attention. The comparison people are making these days is between Philadelphia and St. Louis during the 1918 flu epidemic. In Philadelphia, the city’s public health commissioner, a political appointee, did not want to hurt public morale by cancelling public events. On September 28, the city held a big parade to raise money for the Liberty Bonds that were funding WWI, and 200,000 people attended. Two days later, people started to die. On October 3, city leaders closed down the city, but it was too late to stop the spread of the influenza. By the end of the season, 12,000 Philadelphians had died. In St. Louis, in contrast, the public health commissioner shut down the city. Drawing the wrath of local businessmen, he shut down schools, sporting events, bars, and movie theaters. People in St. Louis still got sick, but the infection rate was slow enough that the sick got treatment; the infections did not spike. At the end of the season 1,700 people died of the flu in St. Louis, half the rate in Philadelphia. The novel coronavirus is spreading in America, but we can still slow it down by social distancing and avoiding crowds. Many of us will still get it, but if we can just keep the numbers spread out, we can make sure the sickest of us can get the treatment they will need. We need to avoid that deadly spike. Today #flattenthecurve is all over Twitter. Sounds points are familar to me. Speak Heather....Shout Heather!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 10:58:53 GMT -5
Yet Harvard gave all the students 5 days to get out of Harvard housing FORCING them TO FLY HOME. You really think that seems like a good idea? Yes. If they were a danger to each other in the dorms, why would you rather they get on a plane and be a danger to the people on the plane and then a danger to the people at their parents' homes? I do not understand your logic.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 11, 2020 10:59:46 GMT -5
Yet Harvard gave all the students 5 days to get out of Harvard housing FORCING them TO FLY HOME. You really think that seems like a good idea? Yes. No, I disagree. They ought to be able to stay in their student housing if they want. It's one thing to cancel classes; it's another thing to kick people out of the place where they live. Students in dorms can stay as safe as any other people living in apartments or homes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 11:05:36 GMT -5
From Heather Cox Richardson. The trick to the novel coronavirus is that it spreads exponentially. Today we are seeing states—Washington, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York-- declare emergencies, based on what, on their face, seem like very few cases: just 76 in New York, for example. But those numbers almost certainly will skyrocket over the next week or two. Private labs in New York began testing for coronavirus on Friday and today Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters that public officials couldn’t keep up. They found 16 new cases between Monday and Tuesday. By declaring emergencies now, and trying to enforce social distancing, governors, business leaders, and universities hope to slow down the spread of the virus. This is important because if we can slow it down, we can help to make sure that hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once with people who need attention. The comparison people are making these days is between Philadelphia and St. Louis during the 1918 flu epidemic. In Philadelphia, the city’s public health commissioner, a political appointee, did not want to hurt public morale by cancelling public events. On September 28, the city held a big parade to raise money for the Liberty Bonds that were funding WWI, and 200,000 people attended. Two days later, people started to die. On October 3, city leaders closed down the city, but it was too late to stop the spread of the influenza. By the end of the season, 12,000 Philadelphians had died. In St. Louis, in contrast, the public health commissioner shut down the city. Drawing the wrath of local businessmen, he shut down schools, sporting events, bars, and movie theaters. People in St. Louis still got sick, but the infection rate was slow enough that the sick got treatment; the infections did not spike. At the end of the season 1,700 people died of the flu in St. Louis, half the rate in Philadelphia. The novel coronavirus is spreading in America, but we can still slow it down by social distancing and avoiding crowds. Many of us will still get it, but if we can just keep the numbers spread out, we can make sure the sickest of us can get the treatment they will need. We need to avoid that deadly spike. Today #flattenthecurve is all over Twitter. Do not mistake why a state needs to declare an emergency. It frees you up to do many things, like get the FEDERAL aid that they need to pay for the testing, the extra gear, the staffing etc. they will need. This will spread. This HAS spread. the 2-2.5 number seems pretty consistent through this (the number each will infect). It is reasonable to believe it will spread like H1N1 did and infect millions. What is really unknown is how many people will become symptomatic from it, they use the 80% number from the tested sample. The infected sample size is likely many multiples of this. If that is true and it is somewhere in the 90s, many of you already have this and do not know and right now your body is killing it and in 0-14 days you will no longer have it. How many of you knew you had H1N1 in 2009 (or for that matter last year)?
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Post by future on Mar 11, 2020 11:22:16 GMT -5
From Heather Cox Richardson. The trick to the novel coronavirus is that it spreads exponentially. Today we are seeing states—Washington, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York-- declare emergencies, based on what, on their face, seem like very few cases: just 76 in New York, for example. But those numbers almost certainly will skyrocket over the next week or two. Private labs in New York began testing for coronavirus on Friday and today Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters that public officials couldn’t keep up. They found 16 new cases between Monday and Tuesday. By declaring emergencies now, and trying to enforce social distancing, governors, business leaders, and universities hope to slow down the spread of the virus. This is important because if we can slow it down, we can help to make sure that hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once with people who need attention. The comparison people are making these days is between Philadelphia and St. Louis during the 1918 flu epidemic. In Philadelphia, the city’s public health commissioner, a political appointee, did not want to hurt public morale by cancelling public events. On September 28, the city held a big parade to raise money for the Liberty Bonds that were funding WWI, and 200,000 people attended. Two days later, people started to die. On October 3, city leaders closed down the city, but it was too late to stop the spread of the influenza. By the end of the season, 12,000 Philadelphians had died. In St. Louis, in contrast, the public health commissioner shut down the city. Drawing the wrath of local businessmen, he shut down schools, sporting events, bars, and movie theaters. People in St. Louis still got sick, but the infection rate was slow enough that the sick got treatment; the infections did not spike. At the end of the season 1,700 people died of the flu in St. Louis, half the rate in Philadelphia. The novel coronavirus is spreading in America, but we can still slow it down by social distancing and avoiding crowds. Many of us will still get it, but if we can just keep the numbers spread out, we can make sure the sickest of us can get the treatment they will need. We need to avoid that deadly spike. Today #flattenthecurve is all over Twitter. Do not mistake why a state needs to declare an emergency. It frees you up to do many things, like get the FEDERAL aid that they need to pay for the testing, the extra gear, the staffing etc. they will need. This will spread. This HAS spread. the 2-2.5 number seems pretty consistent through this (the number each will infect). It is reasonable to believe it will spread like H1N1 did and infect millions. What is really unknown is how many people will become symptomatic from it, they use the 80% number from the tested sample. The infected sample size is likely many multiples of this. If that is true and it is somewhere in the 90s, many of you already have this and do not know and right now your body is killing it and in 0-14 days you will no longer have it. How many of you knew you had H1N1 in 2009 (or for that matter last year)? Feel free to educate yourself on the H1N1 2009 Pandemic TIMELINE. First human infection with the new influenza 2009 A H1N1 virus was detected in California on April 15 of 2009. WAY WAY different time of the year for people's natural immune systems and many or most colleges and HS are winding down too. Perhaps you would like to reassess your assumptions Yes ..... we all know why State Governments enact "states of emergency" www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.htmlBy May the US was using some Anti Viral medication with moderate success. September 15 The FDA announced its approval of four 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines VERY VERY BIG POINT!
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Post by Boof1224 on Mar 11, 2020 11:27:26 GMT -5
Couldn’t figure out how to copy this image a friend sent me but it exactly way I feel. Glad there’s others who feel same Dear valued customer Due to the recent outbreak of stupidity and panic purchasing by complete idiots, the nation is currently experiencing a shortage of toilet paper and common sense. We expect supplies to be replenished once these sheep minded morons have all starved to deaths in their homes surrounded by toilet paper but without anything to eat Thank you for your patience. Your friends send you images and memes which confirm your slanted world view rather than challenging it (with evidence and data)? Huh, shocker. Ain't social media great! No I just think our world is 90% sheep. Everyone following the heard instead of thinking for themselves. Emotion vs logic. Yes we all have different views and opinions and mine is people are acting nuts and are going way overboard. Instead of leaders and media trying to calm people down they are riling them up with fear. Panic solves nothing. Great leadership we have all over the country. Hey people can believe what they want. I’m just not buying into this mass hysteria. Let the sheep keep leading other sheep into the abyss for nothing. Mass panic seems like the new cool thing to do so everyone’s doing it. Good luck. Let me know how that works out I’d be willing to bet over half the cases or more of people exposed in those numbers showed little to no symptoms at all. If we start basing things off that rather then people who just tested positive I think a lot of people would look really dumb panicking over all this but like always we take the 1% and blow it way up and ignore the other 99% People literally never learn anything. Fear and panic is how people control.
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Post by silverchloride on Mar 11, 2020 11:40:38 GMT -5
why are people comparing this to the flu? . Two reasons: 1) A complete lack of faith in the media by a segment of the population and the assumption that everything the media says is being blown out of proportion to get ratings and dollars. Of course those very same people would be screaming about a complete lack of information if they got their way and the media shut down 2) A rejection of science by the same people who typically scream about #1 Perhaps, but the media doesn't report about the statistics regarding the, approximately, 50,000 people/yr that die in traffic accidents (USA). Which, as a percentage of the population, is much higher than deaths associated with flu/Covid/Pneumonia, etc. Perhaps if they did that, people would panic and stop driving. Perhaps Covid will, in fact, lead to a pandemic, with millions of Americans dying, but, my lived experience, thus anecdotal, is that probably will not happen.
Does that make me a science denier? (Rhetorical) =)
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Post by jakesbff on Mar 11, 2020 11:41:32 GMT -5
Awkward waving at Colorado Crossroads as well. Same floor, same ball, same benches.... No extra surface wiping. No extra precautions that I noticed. I also agree that the flu kills so many more each and every year. Caution? YES. Precautions? Yes.... PANIC? NO! Hoarding TP? Definitely NOT! Did you expect there to be a different floor, ball, or bench? uhhh... no.... just pointing out the waving probably didn't do too much as the ball is touched by everyone and sent over the net.... then the same benches are used....
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Post by Boof1224 on Mar 11, 2020 11:42:11 GMT -5
Two reasons: 1) A complete lack of faith in the media by a segment of the population and the assumption that everything the media says is being blown out of proportion to get ratings and dollars. Of course those very same people would be screaming about a complete lack of information if they got their way and the media shut down 2) A rejection of science by the same people who typically scream about #1 Perhaps, but the media doesn't report about the statistics regarding the, approximately, 50,000 people/yr that die in traffic accidents (USA). Which, as a percentage of the population, is much higher than deaths associated with flu/Covid/Pneumonia, etc. Perhaps if they did that, people would panic and stop driving. Perhaps Covid will, in fact, lead to a pandemic, with millions of Americans dying, but, my lived experience, thus anecdotal, is that probably will not happen.
Does that make me a science denier? (Rhetorical) =)
Are you saying people don’t have valid reason not to believe a lot of what media says or way they present it?
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Post by jakesbff on Mar 11, 2020 11:44:43 GMT -5
Awkward waving at Colorado Crossroads as well. Same floor, same ball, same benches.... No extra surface wiping. No extra precautions that I noticed. I also agree that the flu kills so many more each and every year. Caution? YES. Precautions? Yes.... PANIC? NO! Hoarding TP? Definitely NOT! Colorado Crossroads told the media that they are disinfecting balls after every match, cleaning floors with disinfectant every night, and they showed many hand sanitizing stations and signs to wash hands at the Convention Center. Seems pretty decent to me. Maybe it was done on the DL, like i said, nothing that I noticed...aside from the awkward waving situation... there were signs in the bathrooms to wash hands that appear to be standard bathroom fare.
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