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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2021 10:48:30 GMT -5
That's absurd. In my opinion, they shouldn't be penalized for something they did as immature minors. This is too much. Basically just mental torture and stripping away their own livelihood. Who knows what's going on in their head right now. It's sick. I really liked the twins. I hope neither of you are placed in situations where you are expected to empathize with victims of trauma. Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:50:21 GMT -5
That's absurd. In my opinion, they shouldn't be penalized for something they did as immature minors. This is too much. Basically just mental torture and stripping away their own livelihood. Who knows what's going on in their head right now. It's sick. I really liked the twins. I hope neither of you are placed in situations where you are expected to empathize with victims of trauma. Wow. I said that before I heard that it was happening until recently. I thought it was just when they were kids
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2021 10:52:55 GMT -5
I hope neither of you are placed in situations where you are expected to empathize with victims of trauma. Wow. I said that before I heard that it was happening until recently. I thought it was just when they were kids You don't think individuals can be traumatized by experiences as kids?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:56:46 GMT -5
I said that before I heard that it was happening until recently. I thought it was just when they were kids You don't think individuals can be traumatized by experiences as kids? I think they can yes. It’s messed up but you shouldn’t be punished so much later in life for bullying. Though this sounds a little more serious than bullying
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2021 11:03:00 GMT -5
You don't think individuals can be traumatized by experiences as kids? I think they can yes. It’s messed up but you shouldn’t be punished so much later in life for bullying. Though this sounds a little more serious than bullying "Punished?" They aren't being thrown in jail. Playing a sport in the Olympics for your National Team is an absolute privilege. The individual who reported this is obviously extremely emotionally impacted by their actions. Why would Korea want players who behaved like this representing their country? Again, work on empathizing more with the victim here, not the abusers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 11:04:56 GMT -5
I think they can yes. It’s messed up but you shouldn’t be punished so much later in life for bullying. Though this sounds a little more serious than bullying "Punished?" They aren't being thrown in jail. Playing a sport in the Olympics for your National Team is an absolute privilege. The individual who reported this is obviously extremely emotionally impacted by their actions. Why would Korea want players who behaved like this representing their country? Again, work on empathizing more with the victim here, not the abusers. I feel sympathy for the victims I’m just saying I don’t think this offense is a severe enough one to absolutely destroy all the hard work these women have put in
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Post by donut on Feb 15, 2021 11:09:08 GMT -5
"Punished?" They aren't being thrown in jail. Playing a sport in the Olympics for your National Team is an absolute privilege. The individual who reported this is obviously extremely emotionally impacted by their actions. Why would Korea want players who behaved like this representing their country? Again, work on empathizing more with the victim here, not the abusers. I feel sympathy for the victims I’m just saying I don’t think this offense is a severe enough one to absolutely destroy all the hard work these women have put in Empathy, not sympathy. Don't pity the victims.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 15, 2021 19:13:27 GMT -5
There goes any remote chance of Korea getting a medal. So much for KYK's last hurray. Not saying bullying should be tolerated by any means, but the timing of the accusations coming to light now is curious. Seems like it's done to maximize harm on the team's chances at Tokyo. Most curious indeed. Instead of banning them, would it not be better for the sisters to pay compensation to the victims? Or engage in some public apology and promise to fund anti-bullying campaign?
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 15, 2021 19:22:48 GMT -5
They looked so innocent. Apparently there's a whole lot more going on behind the scenes in the Korean League. Looks can be deceiving...
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Feb 15, 2021 19:23:37 GMT -5
There goes any remote chance of Korea getting a medal. So much for KYK's last hurray. Not saying bullying should be tolerated by any means, but the timing of the accusations coming to light now is curious. Seems like it's done to maximize harm on the team's chances at Tokyo. Most curious indeed. Instead of banning them, would it not be better for the sisters to pay compensation to the victims? Or engage in some public apology and promise to fund anti-bullying campaign? There is a pretty severe bullying problem in Korean schools, which is probably why they are being punished to this extent. They want to use this as a message and example to show young people that bullying will not be tolerated. It just sucks that it is coming at the national team's expense.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 15, 2021 19:27:01 GMT -5
There goes any remote chance of Korea getting a medal. So much for KYK's last hurray. Not saying bullying should be tolerated by any means, but the timing of the accusations coming to light now is curious. Seems like it's done to maximize harm on the team's chances at Tokyo. Most curious indeed. Instead of banning them, would it not be better for the sisters to pay compensation to the victims? Or engage in some public apology and promise to fund anti-bullying campaign? It just sucks that it is coming at the national team's expense. That's my point, does the punishment fit the crime? Banning them from the NT doesn't just affect them, it affects the whole team. Is it fair to KYK and others on the team, with no fault of their own, is now dragged down by this as well? I mean how is that fair to the rest of the team? Now they face an even bigger uphill climb at Tokyo to get out of the preliminaries. Shouldn't punishment be individualized to them?
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Feb 15, 2021 19:41:33 GMT -5
It just sucks that it is coming at the national team's expense. That's my point, does the punishment fit the crime? Banning them from the NT doesn't just affect them, it affects the whole team. Is it fair to KYK and others on the team, with no fault of their own, is now dragged down by this as well? Yeah I thought at first that it was too harsh, especially since the Olympics are right around the corner. However, from what I've been reading, the twins have been trying to make KYK look bad on the court by not giving her decent sets and throwing up random balls to her even when she's not ready to hit. It didn't seem like the twins were playing to win, rather they were playing to try and make themselves look better, and hoping that leads them to the win, if that makes sense. I feel like my explanation is kind of lost in translation, but that's kind of the gist I'm getting from what I'm reading. If you see some of the recent matches with KYK and the twins in the Korean league, its pretty clear that the chemistry between them sucked, and they weren't playing well at all. It sucks to see this happen, but I almost feel like it won't make too big of a difference for Korea if there were clear chemistry issues that were going to be holding the entire team back anyways. They do have some options to replace the twins at OH and setter, but we'll see if they end up being anywhere near what the Lee twins were when the national team starts playing again.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 15, 2021 20:03:19 GMT -5
That's my point, does the punishment fit the crime? Banning them from the NT doesn't just affect them, it affects the whole team. Is it fair to KYK and others on the team, with no fault of their own, is now dragged down by this as well? Yeah I thought at first that it was too harsh, especially since the Olympics are right around the corner. However, from what I've been reading, the twins have been trying to make KYK look bad on the court by not giving her decent sets and throwing up random balls to her even when she's not ready to hit. It didn't seem like the twins were playing to win, rather they were playing to try and make themselves look better, and hoping that leads them to the win, if that makes sense. I feel like my explanation is kind of lost in translation, but that's kind of the gist I'm getting from what I'm reading. Well, it comes down to whether the alternatives are better than the sisters...which I really don't know. I wonder...could it be KYK, who had it with the sisters, got wind of their history and encouraged their victims to spill the beans?
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 15, 2021 20:27:32 GMT -5
There goes any remote chance of Korea getting a medal. So much for KYK's last hurray. Not saying bullying should be tolerated by any means, but the timing of the accusations coming to light now is curious. Seems like it's done to maximize harm on the team's chances at Tokyo. Most curious indeed. Instead of banning them, would it not be better for the sisters to pay compensation to the victims? Or engage in some public apology and promise to fund anti-bullying campaign? There is a pretty severe bullying problem in Korean schools, which is probably why they are being punished to this extent. They want to use this as a message and example to show young people that bullying will not be tolerated. It just sucks that it is coming at the national team's expense. They should go after the twins' mother, who encouraged, enabled, and may have rewarded this behavior. Going after the twins looks nice but doesn't do much.
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Post by LovecraftShark on Feb 15, 2021 21:58:47 GMT -5
At this point the damage has been done. Even if the twins somehow made it back on the national team before for the VNL/Olympics the team chemistry would be completely shot. I agree that the timing of the victim coming out against the twins almost seems planned to do the most damage but what the twins did was horrible so it's deserved in my opinion. Honestly, if there really is so much animosity between the twins and KYK then maybe this is for the best. Would you rather have the twins or KYK? Dumb question. That being said, it's very unfortunate that this happened because the twins are both quite good and are essential parts to the success of the Korean National team. Lee Jaeyeong is the first Korean outside hitter, I've seen in a while, that can actually get kills pretty consistently, which is exactly who KYK needs as a 32 going on 33 year old. Kim Hee-jin is for sure going to need to step up this Olympics but her growth under their new coach has been tremendous so I'm optimistic.
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