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Post by Cmd12 on Apr 18, 2020 21:51:33 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included)
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Post by libro on Apr 18, 2020 22:00:04 GMT -5
I think the idea is that the next 10 or the next 20 best athletes help the top 10 be better because the gym is more competitive. And, are you really suggesting that the quality of athlete/player has been Team USA's issue at the Olympics? It certainly wasn't in Beijing, where they exceeded expectations markedly. It wasn't in London where the team put together one of the most dominant runs to the final in the history of the Games, losing two sets in their first seven matches. It also wasn't in Rio with Larson, Hill, Adams, Akinradewo, and Glass all among the best in the world at their respective positions. Your statement appears to suggest the athletes are the problem and not the system. U.S. athletes that, in your opinion, are top 3 in the world at; Outside, Opposite, Setter, Middle and Libero? Genuinely curious how many you think we have that are at the very top of the pyramid. IMO I think Larson is the only close candidate but as far as currently? No one else. There’s certainly players with potential that could rise to it: Carlini, Ogbogu, Hill, MBH, Thompson (I said it), Plummer eventually, and maybe Retke with a lot of blocking growth. Obviously I’m a Hentz fan but her and Mary lake, MAYBE JWO but the top 3 libs in the world are so experienced so
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Post by Murina on Apr 18, 2020 22:02:21 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) I'd pay a premium for Boskovic & Egonu. I'd pay a lot for Goncharova. After that there are a lot of players I would have trouble paying one more than another, and none of them Goncharova money. So many of them you just can't trust to be as good one year as they were the previous...
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Post by libro on Apr 18, 2020 22:06:43 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) I'd pay a premium for Boskovic & Egonu. I'd pay a lot for Goncharova. After that there are a lot of players I would have trouble paying one more than another, and none of them Goncharova money. So many of them you just can't trust to be as good one year as they were the previous... I may take Smarzek just cause of the load I know she can carry. Additionally I know Haak one day will be #1 just with more growth and time
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Post by donut on Apr 18, 2020 22:11:35 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. I think the issue with the USA question is we have really only seen Drews, Murphy, Lowe, Fawcett, and Thompson get serious looks since 2012. MBH has played over there as well. Cuttino is on the periphery. 2012-2018 was the Murphy show, despite the fact she clearly peaked in 2014.
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Post by Cmd12 on Apr 18, 2020 22:14:08 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. I think the issue with the USA question is we have really only seen Drews, Murphy, Lowe, Fawcett, and Thompson get serious looks since 2012. MBH has played over there as well. Cuttino is on the periphery. 2012-2018 was the Murphy show, despite the fact she clearly peaked in 2014. Where would Hooker fall in this? I know larson had a hard time blocking her in the Chinese finals. As she outplayed Lippmann in that final match
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Post by Murina on Apr 18, 2020 22:14:33 GMT -5
I'd pay a premium for Boskovic & Egonu. I'd pay a lot for Goncharova. After that there are a lot of players I would have trouble paying one more than another, and none of them Goncharova money. So many of them you just can't trust to be as good one year as they were the previous... I may take Smarzek just cause of the load I know she can carry. Additionally I know Haak one day will be #1 just with more growth and time You might be right with Smarzek & Haak, but I'm not sold yet.
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Post by Cmd12 on Apr 18, 2020 22:17:29 GMT -5
Wish we could see this on a regular basis for USA again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:20:28 GMT -5
Ok this is interesting. Thanks for taking the question in the way it was intended. So you'd say Larson and Hill are top 10? I can't see them top 3. just curious to who your top 3 are? i think a case can be made larson is the clear #2 Over Kim Yeon-koung? KYK is more terminal, a better passer and a better blocker. Those two are the clear #1 and #2 imo. I'd probably have Larson and Mihajlović as joint #3. But then you consider that China also has Yuan, Serbia has Boskovic, Italy has Egonu and Sylla.
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Post by donut on Apr 18, 2020 22:25:39 GMT -5
It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. I think the issue with the USA question is we have really only seen Drews, Murphy, Lowe, Fawcett, and Thompson get serious looks since 2012. MBH has played over there as well. Cuttino is on the periphery. 2012-2018 was the Murphy show, despite the fact she clearly peaked in 2014. Where would Hooker fall in this? I know larson had a hard time blocking her in the Chinese finals. As she outplayed Lippmann in that final match I wouldn't put too much weight on one match... especially given Lippman missed most of the finals for the European Championships, and then flew back for that 1 match. Lippman and Larson both outplayed Hooker during the rest of the season (and I'm saying that as a Hooker fan). I think Hooker is a bit past her prime, but I think she could still compete with the above players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:27:59 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. I think the issue with the USA question is we have really only seen Drews, Murphy, Lowe, Fawcett, and Thompson get serious looks since 2012. MBH has played over there as well. Cuttino is on the periphery. 2012-2018 was the Murphy show, despite the fact she clearly peaked in 2014. I'm with you for basically all of this but you'd better let Natalia know she's no longer elite; she hit and blocked better than Drews in the World Cup despite being the #1 priority to shut down for every team she faced (nearly twice as many swings as Drews). She's not in the top two, but she's in the next group for sure. Plus she's goofy-footed which always gets love as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:30:24 GMT -5
It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. I think the issue with the USA question is we have really only seen Drews, Murphy, Lowe, Fawcett, and Thompson get serious looks since 2012. MBH has played over there as well. Cuttino is on the periphery. 2012-2018 was the Murphy show, despite the fact she clearly peaked in 2014. I'm with you for basically all of this but you'd better let Natalia know she's no longer elite; she hit and blocked better than Drews in the World Cup despite being the #1 priority to shut down for every team she faced (nearly twice as many swings as Drews). She's not in the top two, but she's in the next group for sure. Plus she's goofy-footed which always gets love as far as I'm concerned. I think you mean Tandara (OPP), not Natalia (OH). Also, Tandara is not goofy-footed. Goncharova is, however.
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Post by Cmd12 on Apr 18, 2020 22:31:41 GMT -5
Where would Hooker fall in this? I know larson had a hard time blocking her in the Chinese finals. As she outplayed Lippmann in that final match I wouldn't put too much weight on one match... especially given Lippman missed most of the finals for the European Championships, and then flew back for that 1 match. Lippman and Larson both outplayed Hooker during the rest of the season (and I'm saying that as a Hooker fan). I think Hooker is a bit past her prime, but I think she could still compete with the above players. You’re right. Although to me this season it looked like hooker and the Chinese setter didn’t have the best connection always setting hooker either too low or behind her head. Regardless I wish we got to see how she would do against Bosko/Egonu and the rest of the Turkish leagues. Although I watched all her matches last season in Brazil and I would not want to let Hooker heat up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:33:34 GMT -5
Who are the top 5 opposites in the world? And who are the best opposites in usa (not in gym included) It's Boskovic and Egonu, and then a drop off. I would say Smarzek, Haak, Vargas, Martinez, Lippman and Drews are the next bunch. Goncharova, Sloetjes, and Tandara used to be up there. Sloetjes had a pretty good WChs, if I remember correctly. And Martinez for DR has played OH for quite some time now, hasn't she, trojansc?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 22:35:24 GMT -5
I'm with you for basically all of this but you'd better let Natalia know she's no longer elite; she hit and blocked better than Drews in the World Cup despite being the #1 priority to shut down for every team she faced (nearly twice as many swings as Drews). She's not in the top two, but she's in the next group for sure. Plus she's goofy-footed which always gets love as far as I'm concerned. I think you mean Tandara (OPP), not Natalia (OH). Also, Tandara is not goofy-footed. Goncharova is, however. Goncharova is an Oppo. She doesn't pass and hits mostly Ds or Red (right side).
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